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Topic: Interactive Poll # 6 - Latin America!Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Subject: Interactive Poll # 6 - Latin America!
Date Posted: June 23 2020 at 17:40
Finally here's to you the poll on
LATIN AMERICAN MUSIC!
You can post a
1) Latin American song
or
2) a song with influences taken from Latin American music or rhythms.
By Latin American music I mean the music of Central America and South America. So, from Mexico to Patagony or Tierra del Fuego, passing through all the states that are in the middle, including the Caribbean islands. They are all countries where Spanish is spoken, with the exception of Brazil, where Portuguese is spoken (There is also some state that was a French or Dutch colony).
In this way, I believe the topic is vast enough to allow everyone to participate. For example, if one likes reggae, he could post a Bob Marley song, but also a Police or Clash etc song contaminated with the rhythm of the reggae. I give this example because it contains three very famous artists, obviously I don't want to give any suggestions.
Now, Latin American music is really varied:
- Mexico: mariachi, Latin rock, chicano rock, tex mex
- Jamaica: rock steady, ska, raggae,
- Cuba: mambo, cha cha cha
- Other Caribbean folk: salsa and bachata, merengue, etc.
- Peru, Chile, Argentina: Latin american folk, Andean folk, Latin jazz etc
and many other types of music that don't come to my mind now.
Pay attention: Dont post Spanish or Portuguese music, unless it is influenced by Latin American rhythms. For example, Gypsy Kings mostly play Spanish music, not Latin American (flamenco is Spanish music), although some of their songs make a mixture of Spanish and Latin American music.
Everyone will judge himself: if a person believes that a pop/rock song has a clear, evident contamination with Latin American music (in the sense of rhythm, composition or arrangement), he is free to post it. The important thing is that the Latin American influence is clearly evident.
I ask you to indicate the type of Latin American music with which the song you offer is impregnated.
***To make the knowledge of Latin American music greater, in this poll I also propose, for those who want (it is optional), to put a song "out of competition", which must not be voted on, of a different genre from the one submitted for the vote.
------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
Replies: Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: June 23 2020 at 17:44
For the secon and last time,
Francesco Guccini - Scirocco (TANGO)
Probably the best melodic tango song written by an Italian singer-songwriter, who enjoys an extraordinary performance by Juan José Mosalini at the bandoneon.
I thought of of this song to show that a great songwriter (as Guccini) can write excellent music and produce a song where the musical score and the arrangement are more importanti than the lyrics.
Music: Guccini and Biondini
Lyrics: Guccini.
On the double-bass: Ares Tavolazzi (ex Area)
On the bandoneon: the master Juan José Mosalini (ex collaborator of Astor Piazzolla)
On the acoustic guitar: Juan Flaco Biondini
On the drums and percussions: Ellade Bandini
On the piano: Vince Tempera
-------
EDIT:
OUT OF COMPETITION:
Little Steven (featuring Bruce Springsteen): NATIVE SON (RAGGAE)
------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 23 2020 at 17:44
and I'll sit on mine for a day or two... curious to see where others go with this in their suggestions.
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: June 23 2020 at 18:00
Djavan (w/The Manhattan Transfer) - Capim
Djavan is a Brazilian singer/songwriter who has been around for quite a while and he sings in Portugese. But before you put the brakes on this entry, his music is inspired and based around Latin-American music, in this particular case, Bossanova.
This track was originally recorded with him as a solo artist. I thought about posting that version, but when The Manhattan Transfer wanted to put it on their "Brasil" album, they invited him to be a part of it as he composed it and originally sang it. So, it is his song and he sings lead on this version. The original version is bright and very well done, but I prefer this version as The Transfer's vocal harmonies give it a more hazy feel that I love even more, making it almost sound dreamy. Plus you also get Stan Getz guesting on sax and doing an amazing job. And you get to hear the better side of TMT that most people don't get to hear, their amazing harmonies only add to this track.
So, here it is. I hope you enjoy it.
OUT OF COMPETITION:
Shearwater - Rooks
Edit: Ok so I misunderstood the Out of Competition was supposed to be latin influenced, I just assumed it could be anything. But it's a song I love anyway that I wanted to share, so I'm leaving it so you can listen to it so you know what is not a Latin-based track.
But, here is an out of competition latin style track that's a lot of fun with a reggae flavor:
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: June 23 2020 at 18:07
TCat wrote:
Djavan (w/The Manhattan Transfer) - Capim
Djavan is a Brazilian singer/songwriter who has been around for quite a while and he sings in Portugese. But before you put the brakes on this entry, his music is inspired and based around Latin-American music, in this particular case, Bossanova.
This track was originally recorded with him as a solo artist. I thought about posting that version, but when The Manhattan Transfer wanted to put it on their "Brasil" album, they invited him to be a part of it as he composed it and originally sang it. So, it is his song and he sings lead on this version. The original version is bright and very well done, but I prefer this version as The Transfer's vocal harmonies give it a more hazy feel that I love even more, making it almost sound dreamy. Plus you also get Stan Getz guesting on sax and doing an amazing job. And you get to hear the better side of TMT that most people don't get to hear, their amazing harmonies only add to this track.
So, here it is. I hope you enjoy it.
Mike, soon I'll insert your song .... let me enjoy some more of the writing
HASTA SIEMPRE COMMANDANTE CHE GUEVARA!
EDIT: in Italy, the bossanova rhythm is famous for the songs of Toquinho ... which I can't stand. This song is bossanova of a higher level, it looks like a jam session.
------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 23 2020 at 18:10
Yay! Though Lorenzo is younger than me, he may be familiar with the band. Inti Illimani were probably the very first band I saw live, at the age of 14 or 15. They were touring Europe in September 1973, when the bloody coup in their homeland of Chile happened (the other September 11, for those who remember it), and spent the next 15 years in exile in Italy. For a time they lived in the town of Grottaferrata, south-west of Rome, which is a place very dear to my heart - my maternal grandfather's home town, and also the place where my parents are buried.
Unfortunately, in more recent years, the band underwent an acrimonious split, so at present there are two Inti Illimani - Histórico and Nuevo. This track is by Inti Illimani Nuevo, and dates from 2012.
Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: June 23 2020 at 18:12
jamesbaldwin wrote:
Mike, soon I'll insert your song .... let me enjoy some more of the writing
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: June 23 2020 at 18:15
Raff wrote:
Yay! Though Lorenzo is younger than me, he may be familiar with the band. Inti Illimani were probably the very first band I saw live, at the age of 14 or 15. They were touring Europe in September 1973, when the bloody coup in their homeland of Chile happened (the other September 11, for those who remember it), and spent the next 15 years in exile in Italy. For a time they lived in the town of Grottaferrata, south-west of Rome, which is a place very dear to my heart - my maternal grandfather's home town, and also the place where my parents are buried.
Unfortunately, in more recent years, the band underwent an acrimonious split, so at present there are two Inti Illimani - Histórico and Nuevo. This track is by Inti Illimani Nuevo, and dates from 2012.
Oh jeah, Inti Illimani forever! I listened to them when I was a teenager. Great Andean folk!
------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: June 23 2020 at 18:19
Tribe of Gypsies - Admit It
Tribe of Gypsies is a Latin rock band. I discovered them in the early 2000s, while searching stuff related to Bruce Dickinson's solo albums. I learned that Roy Z and the other members (except for Bruce, of course, and Adrian Smith) of Dickinson's solo albums have another band, and that is ToG. I like their music, so I chose to participate here with one of their songs. Enjoy!
Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: June 23 2020 at 18:35
OK, here I am with more harp music (also violin and band). And I did take Micky's thoughts elsewhere on a live performance, but for some reason YT does not have a lot of Carlos Reyes studio recordings (perhaps because he's fun to watch). This is Niko's Rumba (Brazil):
And out of competition. This is Athy, from Argentina, with Indigo Profundo, an original composition, which is certainly written with Latin American influence (Argentinian?). Also fun to watch live, so perhaps the dearth of studio recordings on YT.
------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp
Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: June 23 2020 at 18:38
Lorenzo, your OUT OF COMPETITION song won't play - not available in my country.
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: June 23 2020 at 18:39
Until now:
SONG # 1: TANGO
SONG # 2: BOSSANOVA
SONG # 3: ANDEAN FOLK
SONG # 4: LATIN ROCK
SONG # 5: RUMBA
------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: June 23 2020 at 18:46
TCat wrote:
Lorenzo, your OUT OF COMPETITION song won't play - not available in my country.
Thanks Mike. I've not found another link, so I changed the song... but not the author.
------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: June 23 2020 at 18:47
TCat wrote:
OUT OF COMPETITION:
Shearwater - Rooks
Edit: Ok so I misunderstood the Out of Competition was supposed to be latin influenced, I just assumed it could be anything. But it's a song I love anyway that I wanted to share, so I'm leaving it.
And I'm glad you did, I really like this. Reminds me of Tim Buckley a bit. Going to put them on my list for further listening.
------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp
Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: June 23 2020 at 18:55
Snicolette wrote:
TCat wrote:
OUT OF COMPETITION:
Shearwater - Rooks
Edit: Ok so I misunderstood the Out of Competition was supposed to be latin influenced, I just assumed it could be anything. But it's a song I love anyway that I wanted to share, so I'm leaving it.
And I'm glad you did, I really like this. Reminds me of Tim Buckley a bit. Going to put them on my list for further listening.
The lead singer is singer/songwriter Jonathan Meiburg who used to be the keyboardist and backing vocalist for "Okkervil River" up until 2007.
Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: June 23 2020 at 19:01
TCat wrote:
The lead singer is singer/songwriter Jonathan Meiburg who used to be the keyboardist and backing vocalist for "Okkervil River" up until 2007.
Love the voice (and the accompaniment). And thusly, more to ferret out!
------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: June 23 2020 at 19:15
My collection is rather limited so repeating tango with:
Kronos Quartet & Astor Piazzolla - Five Tango Sensations: Anxiety
And "out of competition," here's a novelty, heavy metal mariachi:
Metalachi - Crazy Train
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 23 2020 at 21:06
great choice.. another discovery I got from you.
Raff wrote:
Grottaferrata, south-west of Rome, which is a place very dear to my heart - my maternal grandfather's home town, and also the place where my parents are buried.
love that place myself.. not as much as Sutri but it is such a beautiful place. Great place to see your first live show lol. Mine was at Autzen Statium in Eugene and was such a haze of pot smoke I don't think I even saw the band .. hah.. just like the time we saw Maiden and Motorhead at Stadio Olimpico.. the haze man.. impressive ..even by American standards.....you sure got the giggles and munchies. And don't think I didn't see the bra fly at Lemmy
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
Posted By: Machinemessiah
Date Posted: June 23 2020 at 21:47
Hey Lorenzo.. great poll here...
One question.. Can you retire the offensive political message? or one is allowed to post their own..? (I think it is not the idea nor the spirit in a 'music' poll, no?).
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 23 2020 at 23:32
How about some Exuma? Love that band Exuma, The Obeah Man https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-4gnxxtPtI
------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
- Douglas Adams
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 00:18
The chorus in 5/8, the verses in tango:
Hauser Orkater - Dichtgevroren Vijver (1979)
I could only find a vid for the whole album. The track runs from 20:18 to 24:00.
Instead, you can also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O216vvO-p3Y&t=1218s" rel="nofollow - click here to go directly to the starting point.
By the way, the whole album is well worth many listens. Arguably the best album (mostly) in Dutch, imo.
The lyrics (translated from Dutch):
Why don't you look at me,
you frozen pond?
Do I have to wait for thaw
or beat an ice-hole in you?
Why don't you touch me
or are your hands cold
like those of a deceased
or an iguana?
Don't you dare to speak
or is your voice so raw
that it would make anything fragile break?
What is it you're flying for?
If you don't want to talk, then
please utter at least
a beautiful, deep sigh...
-------------
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 01:52
------------- “On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became.” — Ernest Vong
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 02:01
Sorry for using the same band again but they fit so well
Meta Meta - Logun
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 02:46
EDIT: Have heard the Kronos Quartet and Astor Piazzolla now... stylistically that's too close to mine. I make this one out of competition and choose another one for the competition.
Here's what I wrote originally:
I love that theme, not so much because I have lots of music that fits (in fact I don't have that much), but rather because this is a theme where I think there's much potential to discover good things that I don't yet know. Unfortunately the selection up to now shows that a number of people know similar stuff as me... I had three ideas and they're all three already there, in one way or another, Astor Piazzolla, the wonderful Manhattan Transfer Brasil album, and Inti Illimani. I think I'll go with my first choice anyway, even though we then have Astor Piazzolla twice, but he is good enough for that, I'd say. Lorenzo, if you don't think that's appropriate, please tell me and I'll look for something else. Which won't be so easy still as I said my first three are already covered.
I give you two versions a) in case one doesn't work for you but b) because I always prefer live videos if they sound reasonably well, but here I'm really torn, as the live video sound is OK but still clearly inferior to the studio version.
So you only need to listen to one of course (and they are reasonably similar), but choose if you're rather up for seeing the band playing, or rather for having the somewhat better sound with a boring album cover video.
Hmmm. I had two things lined up for this in case somebody else would come up with my first idea... actually
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 03:00
Machinemessiah wrote:
Hey Lorenzo.. great poll here...
One question.. Can you retire the offensive political message? or one is allowed to post their own..? (I think it is not the idea nor the spirit in a 'music' poll, no?).
Well, I don't speak Spanish but me and my friends, when we were young, we sang Carlos Puebla's Hasta Siempre, a song written on the day of Che Guevara's death. You live in Chile, and you know that in Latin America Che Guevara is a myth, and this song has got a lot of versions, so I wrote "Hasta Siempre Comandante Che Guevara".
You don't have to consider it a political message: Che Guevara is now a legend, he's a romantic hero that many right-wing groups like in Europe. Consider my writing a tribute to a Latin American myth and a nostalgic memory of the times when I sang Hasta Siempre. We are here for fun.
Agree? Come on, join us and participate in the poll with your Latin American song.
(Here the Inti Illimani version)
------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 03:04
Guldbamsen wrote:
How about some Exuma? Love that band Exuma, The Obeah Man
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-4gnxxtPtI
Ok,here it is.
------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 03:19
Until now:
SONG # 1: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 2: BOSSANOVA
SONG # 3: ANDEAN FOLK
SONG # 4: LATIN ROCK
SONG # 5: RUMBA
SONG # 6: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 7: BAHAMIAN FOLK (Psychedelic calypso?)
SONG # 8: LATIN JAZZ-ROCK?
SONG # 9: SAMBA?
SONG # 10: LEWIAN
------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 03:31
jamesbaldwin wrote:
Until now:
SONG # 1: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 2: BOSSANOVA
SONG # 3: ANDEAN FOLK
SONG # 4: LATIN ROCK
SONG # 5: RUMBA
SONG # 6: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 7: BAHAMIAN FOLK (Psychedelic calypso?)
SONG # 8:
SONG # 9:
SONG # 10: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
Not sure whether you have seen my edit. I took Contrabajissimo out of the competition and will come up with something else.
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 03:39
Lewian wrote:
jamesbaldwin wrote:
Until now:
SONG # 1: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 2: BOSSANOVA
SONG # 3: ANDEAN FOLK
SONG # 4: LATIN ROCK
SONG # 5: RUMBA
SONG # 6: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 7: BAHAMIAN FOLK (Psychedelic calypso?)
SONG # 8:
SONG # 9:
SONG # 10: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
Not sure whether you have seen my edit. I took Contrabajissimo out of the competition and will come up with something else.
Yes I see. You got a reservation for the tenth place.
EDIT: BUT, IN MY OPINION, ASTOR PIAZZOLLA IS APPROPRIATE, WE CAN POST EVEN 10 TANGO SONGS IN THIS POLL, NO PROBLEM.
------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 03:43
Here's my out of competition song - an absolutely beautiful piece of music and singing that is rather well-known in Italy because of the cover by Mina. The genre is, of course, bossa nova (dedicated to our dear friend Guigo aka Atkingani and his lovely wife Ana ):
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 03:47
I'll go with a British entry then... one of the two best songs from Working Week's awesome debut album. And this one is based on an - I think - Bossa Nova rhythm and has some Latin American lyrics. (This video was posted by snicolette because my other one doesn't seem to work in the US:)
Originally posted video:
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 03:49
jamesbaldwin wrote:
Lewian wrote:
jamesbaldwin wrote:
Until now:
SONG # 1: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 2: BOSSANOVA
SONG # 3: ANDEAN FOLK
SONG # 4: LATIN ROCK
SONG # 5: RUMBA
SONG # 6: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 7: BAHAMIAN FOLK (Psychedelic calypso?)
SONG # 8:
SONG # 9:
SONG # 10: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
Not sure whether you have seen my edit. I took Contrabajissimo out of the competition and will come up with something else.
Yes I see. You got a reservation for the tenth place.
EDIT: BUT, IN MY OPINION, ASTOR PIAZZOLLA IS APPROPRIATE, WE CAN POST EVEN 10 TANGO IN THIS POLL, NO PROBLEM
Well, it's there even out of competition and everyone can listen to it. So something else is fine. I don't like having something in the competition that is so close to something else.
By the way:
SONG # 1: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 2: BOSSANOVA
SONG # 3: ANDEAN FOLK
SONG # 4: LATIN ROCK
SONG # 5: RUMBA
SONG # 6: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 7: BAHAMIAN FOLK (Psychedelic calypso?)
SONG # 8: LATIN JAZZ-ROCK?
SONG # 9: SAMBA?
SONG # 10: LEWIAN
That's it! A personal style for myself in a list with these other great rhythms and genres! I think I can die in peace now!
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 03:59
does Stan Getz with Brazilian musicians (or not) doing bossanova count?
otherwise I'll have my favorite Marley song.
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 04:01
@Lorenzo: Working Week is their band name.
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 04:01
Christian, Piazzolla's Tango: Zero Hour is one of my favorite album.
I love it.
I danced tango, and my master, Alberto Colombo, is an expert of Tango Nuevo. He is one of the best
dancer in Europa. Please, watch him:
------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 04:09
jamesbaldwin wrote:
Christian, Piazzolla's Tango: Zero Hour is one of my favorite album.
I love it.
I danced tango, and my master, Alberto Colombo, is an expert of Tango Nuevo. He is one of the best
dancer in Europa. See him:
Nice.
Actually Zero Hour is a top 5 album of all time for me, and more so, out of my top 5 of all time I think it's the one that has the most generally appealing quality, meaning that the other four top albums are probably much more only personal favourites than that I'd expect them to work for the general music lover.
Meaning that I'd put that album in the top achievements of humankind together with Fellini's La Dolce Vita and Dostoevskij's Brothers Karamazov and similar stellar quality culture. Piazzolla is a giant, nothing less. That said it's probably good to not have him as my competition entry, because chances are I'd have been insulted by every single vote that goes another way (except those that don't vote him because they know him already of course).
Here's an anecdote though. On a conference I told an Argentinian colleague that I'm a fan of Piazzolla. He was delighted, but he also told me that many taxi drivers in Buenos Aires wouldn't take on Piazzolla because they didn't approve of what he did to tango. It's not always easy to be an innovator! I hope he liked walking...
And I've got to admit that I had a few tango lessons once but I was crap at it... I better just keep listening.
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 04:11
Cristi wrote:
does Stan Getz with Brazilian musicians (or not) doing bossanova count?
otherwise I'll have my favorite Marley song.
Well, I think Stan Getz is ok. I dont know him, but,as I've written,
Everyone will judge himself: if a person believes that a pop/rock song has a clear, evident contamination with Latin American music (in the sense of rhythm, composition or arrangement), he is free to post it. The important thing is that the Latin American influence is clearly evident.
------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 04:16
jamesbaldwin wrote:
Cristi wrote:
does Stan Getz with Brazilian musicians (or not) doing bossanova count?
otherwise I'll have my favorite Marley song.
Well, I think Stan Getz is ok. I dont know him, but,as I've written,
Everyone will judge himself: if a person believes that a pop/rock song has a clear, evident contamination with Latin American music (in the sense of rhythm, composition or arrangement), he is free to post it. The important thing is that the Latin American influence is clearly evident.
you listed raggae and bossa nova as possibilities, so it'll be one of these for me.
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 04:22
Cristi wrote:
jamesbaldwin wrote:
Cristi wrote:
does Stan Getz with Brazilian musicians (or not) doing bossanova count?
otherwise I'll have my favorite Marley song.
Well, I think Stan Getz is ok. I dont know him, but,as I've written,
Everyone will judge himself: if a person believes that a pop/rock song has a clear, evident contamination with Latin American music (in the sense of rhythm, composition or arrangement), he is free to post it. The important thing is that the Latin American influence is clearly evident.
you listed raggae and bossa nova as possibilities, so it'll be one of these for me.
------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 04:34
Cristi wrote:
does Stan Getz with Brazilian musicians (or not) doing bossanova count?
otherwise I'll have my favorite Marley song.
I love the Stan Getz and Jao Gilberto album, beautiful stuff.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 04:38
Sagichim wrote:
Cristi wrote:
does Stan Getz with Brazilian musicians (or not) doing bossanova count?
otherwise I'll have my favorite Marley song.
I love the Stan Getz and Jao Gilberto album, beautiful stuff.
exactly, that's what I'm thinking
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 04:46
Stan Getz and Jao Gilberto - O Grande Amor - bossa nova jazz
Posted By: Machinemessiah
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 05:02
jamesbaldwin wrote:
Machinemessiah wrote:
Hey Lorenzo.. great poll here...
One question.. Can you retire the offensive political message? or one is allowed to post their own..? (I think it is not the idea nor the spirit in a 'music' poll, no?).
Well, I don't speak Spanish but me and my friends, when we were young, we sang Carlos Puebla's Hasta Siempre, a song written on the day of Che Guevara's death. You live in Chile, and you know that in Latin America Che Guevara is a myth, and this song has got a lot of versions, so I wrote "Hasta Siempre Comandante Che Guevara".
You don't have to consider it a political message: Che Guevara is now a legend, he's a romantic hero that many right-wing groups like in Europe. Consider my writing a tribute to a Latin American myth and a nostalgic memory of the times when I sang Hasta Siempre. We are for fun.
Agree? Come on, join us and participate in the poll with the Latin American song.
(Here the Inti Illimani version)
Hey Lorenzo! thank you for your reply; that completely does it for me; I even didn't know the song, so as you see.. I definitely take the spirit of what you say about the figure (if not the face value). You know, here in Latin America we have had rough times with the marxist thing; Chile in the 70's 'till the military freed us at the highest cost, though now we are at a highly polarized moment again, not unrelated, I think, to what's happening in other parts of the world as well. Venezuela today, is a humanitarian catastrophe, comparable to a country at war (though they aren't, nor among themselves either), and we have hundreds of thousands of venezuelan immigrants (they are certainly welcome, truely, they're hardworking and all, but obviously it has its complications; only to give you an example of the magnitude of the debacle) as have other neighboring countries. Without mentioning the drug issue.. (Maduro is being charged by the Trump administration with narco-terrorism among others, doing the Region a much appreciated favor).
Well, appreciating your words again, to the music
Perhaps you could give me a little guide here.. I don't really know if you'd like something more popish or for instance something more folk, if you're interested for example in rhythms or the like. I don't know to what extent bands like Soda Stereo or Los Prisioneros are known worldwide. Also, if it can be on the Archives or not, thinking in 'Congreso', given 'Los Jaivas' are already in.
My first impulse is to throw some Soda.. they're the best overall around imo and have lots of top songs. What can you tell me? I also have some very Chilean folk thing in guitar with beautiful rhythms, a "tonada".
UPDATE: I decided myself for the least known stuff.. and also a Chilean one.
Chicoria Sánchez - Tonada por Despedida
It is a "tonada" musical form, in 6/8, a typical rhythm here.. (for me resembles somewhat of a galloping horse); watch for the strumming at the end!
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 05:58
Machinemessiah wrote:
jamesbaldwin wrote:
Machinemessiah wrote:
Hey Lorenzo.. great poll here...
One question.. Can you retire the offensive political message? or one is allowed to post their own..? (I think it is not the idea nor the spirit in a 'music' poll, no?).
Well, I don't speak Spanish but me and my friends, when we were young, we sang Carlos Puebla's Hasta Siempre, a song written on the day of Che Guevara's death. You live in Chile, and you know that in Latin America Che Guevara is a myth, and this song has got a lot of versions, so I wrote "Hasta Siempre Comandante Che Guevara".
You don't have to consider it a political message: Che Guevara is now a legend, he's a romantic hero that many right-wing groups like in Europe. Consider my writing a tribute to a Latin American myth and a nostalgic memory of the times when I sang Hasta Siempre. We are for fun.
Agree? Come on, join us and participate in the poll with the Latin American song.
(Here the Inti Illimani version)
Hey Lorenzo! thank you for your reply; that completely does it for me; I even didn't know the song, so as you see.. I definitely take the spirit of what you say about the figure (if not the face value). You know, here in Latin America we have had rough times with the marxist thing; Chile in the 70's 'till the military freed us at the highest cost, though now we are at a highly polarized moment again, not unrelated, I think, to what's happening in other parts of the world as well. Venezuela today, is a humanitarian catastrophe, comparable to a country at war (though they aren't, nor among them), and we have hundreds of thousands of venezuelan immigrants (they are certainly welcome, truely, they're hardworking, but obviously it has its complications; only to give you an example of the magnitude of the debacle) as have other neighboring countries. Without mentioning the drug issue.. (Maduro is being charged by the Trump administration with narco-terrorism among others, doing the Region a much appreciated favor).
Well, appreciating your words again, to the music
Perhaps you could give me a little guide here.. I don't really know if you'd like something more popish or for instance something more folk, if you're interested for example in rhythms or the like. I don't know to what extent bands like Soda Stereo or Los Prisioneros are known worldwide. Also, if it can be on the Archives or not, thinking in 'Congreso', given 'Los Jaivas' are already in.
My first impulse is to throw some Soda.. they're the best overall around imo and have lots of top songs. What can you tell me? I also have some very Chilean folk thing in guitar with beautiful rhythms, a "tonada".
Oh, well you are the first person I meet who considers the military coup that brought Pinochet to power as a liberation (Allende had been elected president after regular elections).
But this is not the right place to talk about politics, let's go back to music! We are here to post our favorite songs, the ones we are most passionate about, so you can choose two songs: one for the poll, and one "out of competition". Be free to choose the ones you love most.
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 06:26
Lorenzo you missed my video.
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 06:43
Sagichim wrote:
Lorenzo you missed my video.
Yes, I see.
Now your song is at number 10. What kind of genre is? Samba-metal?
SONG # 1: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 2: BOSSANOVA
SONG # 3: ANDEAN FOLK
SONG # 4: LATIN ROCK
SONG # 5: RUMBA
SONG # 6: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 7: BAHAMIAN FOLK (Psychedelic calypso?)
SONG # 8: LATIN JAZZ-ROCK?
SONG # 9: SAMBA?
SONG # 10: SAMBA METAL?
SONG # 11: BOSSANOVA
SONG # 12: BOSSANOVA JAZZ
SONG # 13: TONADA (CHILEAN FOLK)
SONG # 14:
SONG # 15:
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 07:06
Los Jaivas is listed on PA as prog folk. Are you accepting bands on PA?
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 07:32
rushfan4 wrote:
Los Jaivas is listed on PA as prog folk. Are you accepting bands on PA?
No, first rule was non-prog, non PA songs.
This is not a prog round.
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 07:56
Hrychu wrote:
We have discovered this song is considered prog in fact it is present here in PA.
Please, could you choose another song?
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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 08:46
Lewian wrote:
I'll go with a British entry then... one of the two best songs from Working Week's awesome debut album. And this one is based on a - I think - Bossa Nova rhythm and has some Latin American lyrics.
This version (above) didn't work in the US. I am posting one that does, for others, here:
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Posted By: Machinemessiah
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 09:31
jamesbaldwin wrote:
Oh, well you are the first person I meet who considers the military coup that brought Pinochet to power as a liberation (Allende had been elected president after regular elections).
But this is not the right place to talk about politics, let's go back to music! We are here to post our favorite songs, the ones we are most passionate about, so you can choose two songs: one for the poll, and one "out of competition". Be free to choose the ones you love most.
Well my friend you know that every coin has two sides... the one you describe is without a doubt the 'politically correct' version.. the one known outside and here by half the population or more. I must say though that this 'polarization' I talked about before has had the effect of many people reevaluating the Military Regime. Actually, before the virus we were suffering a concerted attack disguised as protests (with some demands attendable and all) but the very first days they burnt many subway stations simultaneously.. (20 completely burnt including the cars, with accelerant and foreign intervention included, plus 60+ with damage; the images are unbelievable, you can search by 'ataques metro Chile'). The cause? allegedly a raise of 4 cents (of a dollar) on the ticket... All that ended up with the destruction of many businesses of varied size (esp. small) and closures of downtowns in cities (so we were in quarantine long before the virus appeared) policemen burnt/beaten and civilians seriously injured or dead (not by police, but by self provoked fires while looting) and... a scheduled plebiscite for a new Constitution...……
About Allende I'll only say this: by 1973, only two and a half years into his government, the president of the Senate, Eduardo Frei Montalva, the incumbent President before and a Christian Democrat (center-left in Chile, (though that is almost an euphemism: they're allied with the Communists now) and with whose help was first elected a Marxist in Latin America, not without having Allende first sign an unprecedented "Statute of Constitutional Guarantees", for there were doubts of his allegiance to democracy) said: "Desgraciadamente, este problema sólo se arregla con fusiles" (Regretfully, this problem only fixes itself with rifles).
If you ask me, I wouldn't have had nor Pinochet nor Allende. Now, given Allende... I think the options were limited: A) an 'auto (Marxist)-coup', that was underway and even had a name, "Plan Z", to end up in a full-fledged Cuban-style marxist dictatorship, B) the Military Pronouncement by 'La Junta Militar' of the 4 armed forces, explicitly implored by different powers of the State and Society (aka "Pinochet") or C) an even bloodier civil war.
It doesn't occur to me if this is worth a thread/there is interest in my view as a local, or else only to respond to me. In any case, maybe that helps a bit explain my sensitivity on the issue; I shut up now on this thread.. I promise.
Also, I must say I was further confused here by the usage Micky made of the poll's options in the previous thread (not bothered by that in any case btw and not that it matters either), so, sorry about that.
Ok, one of the best songs I know of Chilean bands is Congreso - "En todas las esquinas" (jazz-fusion), but is in the Archives.. and knowing you guys, I bet you know it, (if not please go listen to it (and the complete album) here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36yFq1rdAU0" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36yFq1rdAU0 ) so... out of competition.. this another Chilean punk Clash style band 'Los Prisioneros' so you can also have a peek at Santiago in those years.
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 09:37
@snicolette: Muchas gracias!
Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 09:44
Cristi wrote:
Stan Getz and Jao Gilberto - O Grande Amor - bossa nova jazz
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 10:17
jamesbaldwin wrote:
Sagichim wrote:
Lorenzo you missed my video.
Yes, I see.
Now your song is at number 10. What kind of genre is? Samba-metal?
It's not metal, along with psychedelic they have also punk influences although in this case it's not very punkish just rock I guess. Sambadelic fusion?
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 10:19
TCat wrote:
Sagichim wrote:
Sorry for using the same band again but they fit so well
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I absolutely love this stuff! 8 minutes long but I could listen to it all day.
I hear ya buddy! This stuff is infectious. You can download their albums from their website.
Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 11:57
Alexandre Klinke - Lugar
Alexandre Klinke is from Brazil, but he currently lives in Vancouver.
EDIT:
And here, out of competition: Røde Mor: Grillbaren (tango influenced):
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 14:36
First impressions.
Djavan (w / The Manhattan Transfer) - Capim. Music very pleasant and relaxing. On the one hand I listen to it as if it were atmospheric music, on the other I could consider it almost a jam session dominated by the sax. But now that I think about it, it could also be music to dance, slow, romantic but without being demanding. Can itaspire to the podium? I dont know.
Inti Illimani. Here we are talking about one of the bands I grew up with. They were very popular in the seventies and eighties in Italy, especially in left-wing circles but also in Catholic ones. And I love the sound of their folk, especially the flute, and I am very attached to some of their songs. Raff however here posts an instrumental and recent song, perhaps just to avoid the most famous songs. However, after a hesitant start, when the percussion arrives the music becomes beautiful and who knows why it reminds me of the Celtic folk. I do not know what to say. I certainly love the sung and older songs more, but they are always the Inti Illimani.
Tribe of Gypsies - Admit It. Song with mainstrem production, commercial sound, with verse and chorus structure repeated three times and in the middle a good very dirty guitar solo. Music is very pleasant, easy to listen to, radio. A good commercial pop-rock with Latin percussion.
Carlos Reyes. Instrumental piece. The sound of the harp and bass give a beautiful color to this song, which then continues guided by the violin, in a way totally tied to the solo of the instrument. Excellent performance but the song in itself does not does not convince me, it does not convey me much more than the fun of the player.
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 14:44
I totally misread the original post. I thought you meant any band, no matter if on PA or not. I'm sorry for that.
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 14:50
Hrychu wrote:
I totally misread the original post. I thought you meant any band, no matter if on PA or not. I'm sorry for that.
I forgot to write, in this poll, the rule we have followed since the first interactive poll: to choose a song that is not present in PA. If you find another song, there is a place left for you.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 17:11
This artist may be too obvious but this song is in my collection and I think that some of you will like it...although they have been nominated for a Grammy so this might be a sacrilege suggestion.
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Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 17:47
^My son likes anything to do with Pirates of the Caribbean, and they are on one of the soundtracks, which he added to my Amazon music cloud, so I knew some of their stuff. I do like them. Had no idea they were Grammy nominated or of their popularity.
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 19:36
this one was the hardest one of all to pick a selection.. in fact.. changed my mind again today haha
and neat idea to 'altnernative' selections.. so I'll run with that first.. Micky style of course.. which means with as much elegance as a high speed head on collision
my first thought was going with Tito.. then thought once about it and thought.. sh*t. who doesn't know him
then thought twice.. but yeah.. do they know my selection.. the album is was from. The one album from him every music lover should have in their collection. I decided not to go with it but it is a great one
so my first choice was this one.. if your ass ain't shakin' and getting in the mood to dance the horizontal bop .. you are either have no life .. no pulse.... or simply are a 'prog fan'. or in reality... both
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 19:40
next one up.. while many white bread types (like me) discovered Puente thorugh Santana.. I discovered another Latin legend through Santana and thought I was going to go with this one. This might have actually been Santana's best non Fleetwood Mac cover
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 19:49
but then my brain kicked in.. and I decided to get clever...and go with one that probably no one and their brother would consider.
The Caribbean gave us two things.. yeah Reggae was one.. but another.. the mix of traditional Wet African religioins and Catholicism... which we know as through some killer 80's movies as Voodoo. However it has its own music.. until today was going to go with this which was probably its mainstream genesis.. from what many actually extremely well rounded critics (and count myself in that haha) consider one of the best, if not THE best, album released in 1969.
but of course changed my mind this afternoon so this was my #1 alternative song
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 19:52
so for my selection I had to go with one of my musical heros.. and hero to a great many. An iconic and legendary American musical figure whose admirers included the elite of the elite of the musical world. The father of Tex-Mex ..
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 20:31
Just listened to EXUMA. Cool freak folk
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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 20:38
I was thinking of posting Nuevo Laredo, Micky. I summered in Mendocino from birth until my teens, my family had 100 acres there before it was a"destination." It was such a gorgeous place back then.
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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 20:40
PS, maybe I thought of SD Quintet because I'm a sista. :)
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 20:45
^ part ..ummm.. pretty much the main reason I sat on this for a bit. I had a feeling if anyone was going to preempt me with him..actually he was the first one I thought of as I am such a huge fan of his...it would have been you. Not surprised AT ALL you are a fan of his.
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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 20:54
You've got me pegged! Btw, your lovely wife and I are also often on the same music wavelengths. She has incredible knowledge and taste, I always learn of someone else to listen to via her selections.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 21:02
she's taught me a lot herself.. and I guess I have to her. It may have taken 12 years but she come to appreciate some of my more.. rootsy tastes but she has learned to dig it. Music with her is so damn much fun. Makes sense.. we did find each via music and this damn site. We are so alike in our tastes.. yet sufficently different that we discover much from each other.. and other than her Jethro Dull fetish. and my I Pooh fetish. we tend to agree on most everything music-wise.
I think you'll really enjoy my selection next week..I'm sure you know it. Hopefully love it as I do. I have advance notice what the theme is and had my selection for his poll... already chambered before I even finished my PM back to Mathman telling how much I liked his theme. Someone I'm you know and appreciate as much as I do.. and think we may be the only ones on the forum who do.. on both counts
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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 22:42
I may have to throw my own restrictions out the window to vote for Doug Sahm. Some things just resonate so deeply from personal experience that it's hard to not to honour that.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 25 2020 at 10:35
The first that sprung to my mind was Exuma, but it's been mentioned aready, and then the next was the song mentioned by Dr. John that was mentioned I did a poll comparing Exuma and Dr. John some time back (I love those).
Anyhoo, I'll go Brazilian:
IN COMPETITION:
Lula Cortes & Ze Ramalho - Trilha De Sume (or more correctly Lula Côrtes & Zé Ramalho - Trilha De Sumé if the diacritics don't present a problem).
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OUT OF COMPETITION (also Brazilian):
Jupiter Apple - Little Raver
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Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: June 25 2020 at 14:20
I missed the part about an out of competition song, so this has now been added to my original post.
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 26 2020 at 02:28
Is there a deadline for proposals and for when voting begins? (Not very relevant for me personally because I'm away for two days now, but I think generally that'd be helpful.)
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: June 26 2020 at 07:19
At midgnight ends the time to propose other songs.
Since tomorrow we can vote!
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 26 2020 at 08:35
and a few suggestions that others might take.. I will next poll I take..
i love the alt selections... next poll I do.. I open it up suggestions during the 'week'... and say Friday.. everyone speaks up which one they want.. Satuday.. choices get inputted.. and voting starts.
I saw Greg would have gone with Dr. John.. still could have... but in the alt. segment o the thread.. We could have hashed it out and told him.. as I would am now.. take it man. It was that f**king good.. and bleieve it would have been a contender to 'win' the poll.
sounds complicated.. but don't think it would.. could have some good pre-voting discussions about our prelim 'alt' choices.. if one got soem good feedback.. toss that into the poll
also cuts out early voting.. and allows one to change their selection if they are of a mind. Decided upon further thought they had something else and wanted that to be the polling option.
may work well or be a car crash.. either way.. we win. I'll try it with my next.. or someone can try that their-selves.
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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: June 26 2020 at 09:27
Good idea Mick. Let me see if I understand it correctly. Everyone put in their choice that is in contention and an "alternative" choice. If enough people like the alternative choice, then it gets placed in contention and then the voting starts the next day. Is that right?
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 26 2020 at 10:08
TCat wrote:
Good idea Mick. Let me see if I understand it correctly. Everyone put in their choice that is in contention and an "alternative" choice. If enough people like the alternative choice, then it gets placed in contention and then the voting starts the next day. Is that right?
or handful.. or none.. no rules per se. The main change I would do is not filling the poll options immediately. No early votes and if someone either changes their mind or senses via feedback that people really like one over the other..or simply think of another.. they put that one out to be their poll option.
might stimulate even more discovery, feedback and discussion.. not just over the actual choices.. but potential choices and I think that could be pretty bitchin' considering how good everyone's tastes generally are.
If a blond redhead and brunette all think you are cute.. go Micky style.. don't choose one.. take all 3
then vote
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Posted By: Machinemessiah
Date Posted: June 26 2020 at 13:05
Being aware of the non-PA rule...
I know is an arch-known artist, and album, but this thread keeps bringing it to my mind; an honorary mention for Pat Metheny's Letter From Home.. it never ceases to amaze me the quality of this… the magistral blend of beautiful and interesting melodies with (latin) styles, instruments, ...and the singing also.. it all adds just the right touch to the jazz that flows seamlessly.. to make it perfectly agreeable not only to the trained ear.
And Hrychu back there posted something from 'Los Jaivas - Alturas de Macchu Picchu', an album I adore and think is by far the best quality, most progressive, symphonic, conceptual, folk (...and the adjective you like!) album Latin America has ever produced (at least that I know of or guess; from Chile with total certainty.. there are other superb quality things, like 'Congreso' but not nearly as progressive/rock). The track chosen by Hrychu is doubtless the most popular of the album, and it made me think of another one in the same album that I think perhaps is the most 'latin' (if maybe not the best one or the most 'progressive', but still), 'Amor Americano'. It is almost truely a 'Fiesta de la Tirana' piece that celebrates in the far North of Chile, and is related to Bolivia too. Reading here, it has also a mining origin.. in these festivities there is a dance called 'Diablada' wherein are used these 'Devil' masks and outfit like the one you see in the album cover.
Here's another idea.. maybe make 2 or 3 related polls.. in its respective categories, providing the links to each other in the respectives first posts: one for the Non-PA, another for the "out of competition" if you want (I still can't see clearly what is the criteria.. a runner-up? a track you wouldn't consider seriously.. anyway it is fun though) and an "In-PA" poll so as to be able to pick up all those afterthoughts.
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 26 2020 at 13:09
If I was suggesting a band on PA, I would have suggested this track which I really enjoy. It is a Tango? so might be considered Latin American influenced? Some of you have probably heard it, but I'm guessing that the "Pan Heads" might have missed it since it is a Neo/Symph related band.
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: June 26 2020 at 13:42
Other three Italian suggestive songs that I guess you don't know.
Gang: Le radici e le ali
Paolo Conte: Blue Tangos
Vinicio Capossela: E Allora Mambo
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 26 2020 at 21:02
lots of listening to do tomorrow it seems
and... in honor of our dear Nickie whose presence has provided so much sunshine and fun in these threads...
get up and dance...
pool table tops are optional.. but a Lone Star in hand is f**king mandatory... God I loved Texas (and Austin!)
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Posted By: Machinemessiah
Date Posted: June 26 2020 at 21:14
rushfan4 wrote:
If I was suggesting a band on PA, I would have suggested this track which I really enjoy. It is a Tango? so might be considered Latin American influenced? Some of you have probably heard it, but I'm guessing that the "Pan Heads" might have missed it since it is a Neo/Symph related band.
Hey.. very cool.
I was unconsciously considering it for a vote, but remembered the PA bit.
It seems I'm a "pan head" because I didn't know it.. far from it.
Does Pan head mean somewhat of a prog/rock purist? because I pretty much am... hehe.
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 26 2020 at 21:18
nah man.. the pan heads dig the real far out .. wacked out music. The tuneless and talentless as I used to call it before I was enlightened and converted.... ie.. avant
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Posted By: Machinemessiah
Date Posted: June 26 2020 at 21:30
micky wrote:
nah man.. the pan heads dig the real far out .. wacked out music. The tuneless and talentless as I used to call it before I was enlightened and converted.... ie.. avant
Haha funny.. it was the other extreme!
Hey Micky good picks there.. the Tito Puente stuff very fun and catchy…
And the Tex-Mex thing.. it sure has its vibe man.. I like country too, as a concept, though only know the most mainstream..
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 26 2020 at 21:38
yeah the pan heads and traditionalist prog fans have at times... sort of butted heads here.. most of the time good natured.. but at times it hasn't been
glad you liked that stuff.. really looking forward to what you all put out. I know what I know but outside of what Raff posted.. I probably knew very very little of what others posted.
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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: June 26 2020 at 22:21
micky wrote:
lots of listening to do tomorrow it seems
and... in honor of our dear Nickie whose presence has provided so much sunshine and fun in these threads...
get up and dance...
pool table tops are optional.. but a Lone Star in hand is f**king mandatory... God I loved Texas (and Austin!)
Awww... touches my heart. Austin is a wonderful island. Doug Sahm and SDQ is indeed a wonderful part of Texas as well. Thank you.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 27 2020 at 06:11
of the highly caffeinated sort!!
starting my listens.. and man oh man.. if Lorenzo's choice is any indication this will be as rough as week was in trying to decide. Loving this... and yeah you nailed it arrangement over lyrics any day. That was what made the De Andre/PFM albums so fricking great.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 27 2020 at 06:18
I just entered the pre-voting stage. No bad picks at all, many good ones and two are obviously at the top of my ranking: Inti Illimani and Francesco Guccini. The #3 would be Kronos Quartet, Meta Meta, Working Week, Chicoria Sánchez or Alexandre Klinke: not an easy choice.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 27 2020 at 06:35
Machinemessiah wrote:
It seems I'm a "pan head" because I didn't know it.. far from it.
Does Pan head mean somewhat of a prog/rock purist? because I pretty much am... hehe.
Now this "pan-head" bit needs some explanation. We owe the definition to one of our forum members (no names mentioned), who meant is as a slur against people who like the more avant-garde fringes of progressive rock. According to him, fans of RIO/Avant prog like wearing pans on their heads, and hitting them with wooden spoons to produce sounds they will then rave about. As I do like a lot lof RIO/Avant stuff, I suppose I am a panhead myself, though I am not in the habit of wearing pans on my head . A couple of fellow RIO/Avant fans have avatars or signatures that refer to this panhead stuff.
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 27 2020 at 06:59
mathman0806 wrote:
And "out of competition," here's a novelty, heavy metal mariachi:
Metalachi - Crazy Train
ahhh man.. perhaps a good thing I didn't see your post before I started tossing off suggestions..
this might have been my choice... the king of themed novelty. GOD DAMN did I kill some brain cells to this album back in the day
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: June 27 2020 at 07:06
GUCCINI: "SCIROCCO" my review
I want to share with you my description, music plus lyrics, of the Guccini's song. And the feelings and immagination it inspires to me.
The instrumental beginning, almost a minute, is perhaps the best part of the whole song: it begins with Tavolazzi's jazz double bass solo, then the fantastic bandoneon played by Mosalini, and a beautiful atmosphere of tango nuevo is created, that is, of tango mixed with jazz; then the melody arrives, strengthened by the acoustic guitar of Biondini (Italian-Argentine guitarist) and finally the singing of Guccini, pasty, which begins with: "Do you remember? the streets were full of that shiny Scirocco wind, which transforms an abusive reality and makes it unreal ", and then: "you, sitting at a French poet's table, with your usual face open to doubts and a routine red wine inside the glass ".
In the second verse, which is amplified by Vince Tempera's piano, Guccini sings: "She arrived hurriedly, dancing in the pink of a gingham dress that wrapped her hips .... and I knew how you felt squeezed between her and that one another that you did not know how to leave, between your two children, and both moral ... "
The song speaks of a man who sees his lover at the bar, while sipping red wine. They talk. How's it going? After two verses the music changes, the chorus arrives and the music rears up (and here we imagine the two tango dancers who speed up their dance and give vent to passionate steps), the music becomes faster, the percussions arrives, the bandoneon plays almost syncopated and Guccini sings: "She stood up, with a final gesture, then left without looking back, while that wind filled her with impossible memories, confusion and images", and thus the musical crescendo ends, followed by a syncopated instrumental piece (where tango dancers would change figures, and give vent to virtuosity), which brings back the melancholy atmosphere.
She is gone, he was undecided between her and his wife and she left him. And in fact in the next piece, a bridge, perhaps another peak of the song, with an excellent singing, Guccini says: "he remained as someone who no longer knows what to do, still looking for a positive solution, but it is better then one day only to remember than to fall back into an always identical reality ". On these words of Guccini the musical crescendo ends, and here is the moral of the poet: better to remember that one day of farewell than to go on forever with an always identical reality, that is two women without knowing who to choose.
Another instrumental detachment with Mosalini who makes virtuosity and Tavolazzi's double bass to hit like a hammer (and again, the tango dancers have the chance to do wonderful steps) and finally comes the third and last verse, melancholy: the epilogue, in which the poet sings that he does not know how the woman has adjusted his life, while the man is left alone (did his wife leave him too?) and in the evening he is attached to his red wine routinely.
And away with the last instrumental piece, where there is all the poignant melancholy of the tango nuevo and describe this story, which could be a short film.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 27 2020 at 07:28
Raff wrote:
Here's my out of competition song - an absolutely beautiful piece of music and singing that is rather well-known in Italy because of the cover by Mina. The genre is, of course, bossa nova (dedicated to our dear friend Guigo aka Atkingani and his lovely wife Ana ):
oh I LOVE this.. as you can tell as you watch me dancing around the dining room...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 27 2020 at 07:41
jamesbaldwin wrote:
Christian, Piazzolla's Tango: Zero Hour is one of my favorite album.
I love it.
I danced tango, and my master, Alberto Colombo, is an expert of Tango Nuevo. He is one of the best
dancer in Europa. Please, watch him:
that's pretty hot man..
I always wanted to learn how to Tango.. never really had the opportunity.. I was sort of restricted by jukebox selections (usually Foghat ) in dive and biker bars....and don't think the tops of pool tables were really suitable to trying to tango anyway..
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Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: June 27 2020 at 07:58
micky wrote:
ahhh man.. perhaps a good thing I didn't see your post before I started tossing off suggestions..
this might have been my choice... the king of themed novelty. GOD DAMN did I kill some brain cells to this album back in the day
I know that one well. Had thought of that over Metalachi but thought they would be better know. Seen those guys live a few times back in the day and even in "disco" era when Tortelvis had left the band.
I was probably one of few who liked the disco stuff, but maybe a bit too much too fuse Zep, BeeGees, Elvis vocals, and reggae:
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 27 2020 at 08:13
you all rule..
absoltely BRUTAL.. in many cases the alts were as good as the voting options.. a couple were they were better IMO
will need several listens to hammer out a top 3..
but one sort of really stood out and is pretty much the clear #1
great choice Greg.. musically.. by far the most interesting to me... that f**king ruled.
otherrs of particular note in running
the Guccini, Rodrigo and Gabriela, Carlos Reyes, and the Stan Getz were the tops through the first listen
likely will take several more listens in full before settling on a top 3.
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