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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 10:54
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I'm more impressed by Tesco's burgers than I thought I was - it says the sample tested contained 29% horse meat - I'm surprised they contained that much meat.
 
On holiday last year the good lady wife turned her nose up at Steak Haché œufs à Cheval on the menu in every café we dined at even after repeated attempts to explain it was beef not horse and just means "on horseback" just like devils on horseback and pigs on horseback.

Nobility over semantics, impressive.
Far to clever for me - please explain.
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Let me get this straight. Veggie diet is not noble. Eating beef but not horse is, even though a horse eats about the same diet as a cow. I don't know where the nobility factor came  into the discussion. Eating any kind of food and the concept of nobility seems foolish.  I would consider any meat i did not personally raise to be mystery meat. This includes so called organic meat.as pointed out before people are resilient and can eat just about anything. Lewis & Clark started out eating buffalo and then switched to horses when that ran out and when they ran out of horse they ate dog.I suspect if they had not met the Nez Perce indians they would have eventually eaten each other.
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Let me get this straight. Veggie diet is not noble. Eating beef but not horse is, even though a horse eats about the same diet as a cow. I don't know where the nobility factor came  into the discussion. Eating any kind of food and the concept of nobility seems foolish.  I would consider any meat i did not personally raise to be mystery meat. This includes so called organic meat.as pointed out before people are resilient and can eat just about anything. Lewis & Clark started out eating buffalo and then switched to horses when that ran out and when they ran out of horse they ate dog.I suspect if they had not met the Nez Perce indians they would have eventually eaten each other.
You seem to have missread this entire thread and all the posts in it.
 
Nobility has nothing to do with "noble cause" the nobility is in the cause not in the act. At no time has anyone made any claim that eating a particular food group has any nobility or that adopting a particular life-style diet bestows nobility. The "Noble Cause" mentioned in the opening post (in fact it is the opening phrase in the opening sentence of the opening post in this thread) is the idea that following a course of action (in this case choosing to abstain from eating meat) will result in some positive result in some possibly (but not necessarily) related field.
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Semantic juggling, I did not miss the premise. I never said eating vegetables is a "noble cause". Eating vegetables is just what it says it is and that is all. Since you like to argue about words perhaps you can tell me the meaning of "turn her nose up at". My dictionary says....to refuse to accept something because you feel that it is not good enough for you: so horse is not good enough for your wife, even the concept on a menu is repulsive to her. My wife does not eat animals at all, even the thought of eating one is repulsive to her. I do not think either is wrong, thats just who they are. To say vegans are smug and bash them for a lifestyle choice is narrow minded.

And the topic was thoughts on vegita.........the title was not Is vegit a noble cause so maybe it was you who should go back and reread the title of the topic


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Practiced veggie diet for a while because I thought it was healthier.  Couldn't believe how much better I felt when I started eating meat again.  Beans and tofu/etc were apparently not doing it for my body.  Or my taste buds. 

I really enjoy meat and will continue to eat it, albeit in moderate quantities.  I eat very little fast food.  Mostly I eat poultry and fish, occasionally beef, rarely pork. 
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I'm more impressed by Tesco's burgers than I thought I was - it says the sample tested contained 29% horse meat - I'm surprised they contained that much meat.
 
On holiday last year the good lady wife turned her nose up at Steak Haché œufs à Cheval on the menu in every café we dined at even after repeated attempts to explain it was beef not horse and just means "on horseback" just like devils on horseback and pigs on horseback.
 
a) You don't know what the other 71% is.
 
b) What are 'pigs on horseback' ?  (I know pigs in blankets but...)
 
 
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Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I'm more impressed by Tesco's burgers than I thought I was - it says the sample tested contained 29% horse meat - I'm surprised they contained that much meat.
 
On holiday last year the good lady wife turned her nose up at Steak Haché œufs à Cheval on the menu in every café we dined at even after repeated attempts to explain it was beef not horse and just means "on horseback" just like devils on horseback and pigs on horseback.
 
a) You don't know what the other 71% is.
 
b) What are 'pigs on horseback' ?  (I know pigs in blankets but...)
 
 
Prunes wrapped in bacon (or figs or dates depending on which recipe you read, I suppose any dried fruit will suffice).
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Semantic juggling, I did not miss the premise. I never said eating vegetables is a "noble cause". Eating vegetables is just what it says it is and that is all. Since you like to argue about words perhaps you can tell me the meaning of "turn her nose up at". My dictionary says....to refuse to accept something because you feel that it is not good enough for you: so horse is not good enough for your wife, even the concept on a menu is repulsive to her. My wife does not eat animals at all, even the thought of eating one is repulsive to her. I do not think either is wrong, thats just who they are. To say vegans are smug and bash them for a lifestyle choice is narrow minded.

And the topic was thoughts on vegita.........the title was not Is vegit a noble cause so maybe it was you who should go back and reread the title of the topic
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no, really.
 
 
 
W. T. F. ?
 
 
The OPENING POST of any thread tells you what the thread is about - the title does not. Read the effin' OP first, then post - that's how it's done, that's how this and every other forum works. Read the OP, read a few replies and add your own comments - NOT read the title and guess what everyone is talking about. The OPENING POST of this thread states:
Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

I think it's a noble cause, but I don't practice it nor do I plan on doing so. I think eating meat is a natural thing for humans to do. However I do think the way we make meat these days is terrible. We use way too much water, land, and food on it, plus there's growth hormones. I also think animals should be raised with care and killed as painlessly as possible.
But again, I think it's a noble cause and anyone who practices it earns my respect.

So what do you think about it?
  
Seriously. No one accused you of saying that  'eating vegetables is a "noble cause".' Not me, not anyone and I certainly never accused any vegetarians of being smug, nor did I ever bash them for anything.
 
 
"turn her up" is a British idiom in common usage for anyone who refuses to eat anything for any reason - sure it used to mean it wasn't good enough for them, but that is no longer the case - idiomatic usage changes with the generations, not with your dictionary. It was meant as an amusing little story nothing more but it appears my ability to tell a humourous tale has failed me. Perhaps I'll have better luck next time but I doubt it.
 
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Points: 5319 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 12:48
I agree with everything you say, these dictionaries need to consult you so they can get it right.
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

.....but insects are more the accidental thing, (not that we really swallow spiders in our sleep, that old chestnut's been laid to rest, it could happen, but it's just not that likely),....
Wow, I'm glad I read this.  I'd been haunted by that urban legend for years.
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

I agree with everything you say, these dictionaries need to consult you so they can get it right.
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Dictionaries do not reflect the constantly changing usage of language, they rely on published verifiable sources for their definitions - how language is used adapts to the changing times, the meanings of words and phrases changes: first they are used in everyday speech, then they enter into the written word (or in these technological times, are used in some other media such as the Internet or TV) and then the defintion in the dictionary is updated to reflect this change. A dictionary is only as current as its last update.
 
Often an idiom is used in a sarcastic way such as when the phrase "not good enough for you" is used regardless of the worth of the item being refused, "turning ones nose up" also has a sarcastic use, especially in the UK. An idiom's or word's meaning can also change with location, and in extreme examples mean entirely the opposite, like "Bad" now means "Good" and "Lucked-out" in the USA means good luck and in the UK it means bad luck. Language is dynamic and not cast in stone.
 
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Many early cultures cast their language in stone. It was heavy I suppose. I would challenge you to show where the meaning of " turning one's nose up" has changed. ...................

This week’s idiom is to “turn one’s nose up at something”. It is used when we want to talk about a person who refuses something because they think it’s not good enough for them. For example:

This is a good job even though the salary is not so high. You shouldn’t turn your nose up at it.

Jenny is so superficial. She turns her nose up at any guy who’s not handsome and rich.

When I was young I used to turn my nose up at any foreign food, but I don’t do that anymore.

My apartment isn’t so nice, but it was the only place I could find to live. I couldn’t afford to turn my nose up at it.

So this expression is always used in a negative way to talk about people who are being snobby or picky about something.
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Come on, guys. A hot exchange on a 'vegetarian' thread - tell me this is right.
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^But in this case she wasn't turning her nose up at it because it wasn't good enough. It was because she didn't like the idea of eating horse.
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Hey , it wasn't my story.
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Points: 5482 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 14:01
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:



Years from now we'll all be eating fake meat grown in labs anyway, from stem cells, and most people will be coaxed into thinking that is perfectly ok, through decades of pressure and brainwashing from 'ethical' politicians who will all still be gorging on venison and fois gras every day.
50 years ago they said we'd have hover-boots now and we're still waiting. Synthetic meat is easily made, it's called soya.
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

I agree with everything you say, these dictionaries need to consult you so they can get it right.
*sigh*
 
Dictionaries do not reflect the constantly changing usage of language, they rely on published verifiable sources for their definitions - how language is used adapts to the changing times, the meanings of words and phrases changes: first they are used in everyday speech, then they enter into the written word (or in these technological times, are used in some other media such as the Internet or TV) and then the defintion in the dictionary is updated to reflect this change. A dictionary is only as current as its last update.
 
Often an idiom is used in a sarcastic way such as when the phrase "not good enough for you" is used regardless of the worth of the item being refused, "turning ones nose up" also has a sarcastic use, especially in the UK. An idiom's or word's meaning can also change with location, and in extreme examples mean entirely the opposite, like "Bad" now means "Good" and "Lucked-out" in the USA means good luck and in the UK it means bad luck. Language is dynamic and not cast in stone.
 

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One thing for certain about veggies and fruit, whether it be homegrown, organic or just off the grocery shelf, when I bite into that nice carrot or apple I never have that overwhelming ?? in my mind, could this possibly be, God forbid, that horrible no no, HORSEMEAT.
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

One thing for certain about veggies and fruit, whether it be homegrown, organic or just off the grocery shelf, when I bite into that nice carrot or apple I never have that overwhelming ?? in my mind, could this possibly be, God forbid, that horrible no no, HORSEMEAT.

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