Your thoughts on Vegitarianism
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Topic: Your thoughts on Vegitarianism
Posted By: smartpatrol
Subject: Your thoughts on Vegitarianism
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 00:24
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I think it's a noble cause, but I don't practice it nor do I plan on doing so. I think eating meat is a natural thing for humans to do. However I do think the way we make meat these days is terrible. We use way too much water, land, and food on it, plus there's growth hormones. I also think animals should be raised with care and killed as painlessly as possible. But again, I think it's a noble cause and anyone who practices it earns my respect. So what do you think about it? ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow">  The greatest record label of all time! |
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 00:38
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I don't practice Vegetarianism but I don't disapprove of it either
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 00:47
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More yummy meat for me. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: *frinspar*
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 01:11
I like the way vegetarians taste.  I have no real considerations one way or the other. Certainly no condemnations. What people choose, as long as they don't interfere with me is a-okay. But I do appreciate anyone with the conviction to stick to the positive choices they make, and I view making a dietary, and often, philosophical choice as positive. Vegans have a tougher row to hoe when it comes to easy sustenance choices, and I could never put myself through that. Too lazy. Though I do tend to run across the rare militant vegan who wants to interfere with my life and I want to trip them into a gutter for the smug moral superiority lectures about my choices. Vegetarians tend to be more docile and non-confrontational, live and let live. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 01:18
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I think both vegetarianism and veganism are admirable choices and probably better overall physically and morally for a person. That said, I may never ever do them. At heart, I like to be indulgent and go where my palate takes me, whether it be fatty foods, animals, alcohol, sweets and whatevers. I simply don't care enough to stop eating meat. Maybe I'm a terrible person, then again, I don't care. Delicious things await. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 02:01
| I try not to eat meat because of, well, the horrendous things I saw at the end of the film Fast Food Nation. I don't know anything about the intelligence and feelings of animals on the part of life, family, and such, ... and I'm just going to assume the worst. And if I do have to eat meat in front of my mother, I'll just ... "take one for the team", so to speak. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 02:06
| I'm into high-protein so if you're getting that from veg then that's great-- actually I've noticed the vegan meals they offer in place of a 'normal meal' (like on an airplane) are often delicious and far better than the meat & starch thing they give everyone else. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 02:19
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Atavachron wrote:Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 02:28
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yeah the meals on those trans-Europe hops are a gamble
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 02:39
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It's a sad fact that animals now are merely part of a huge industrial process with all the bad (but perfectly legal) practices pertaining thereto. It doesn't matter how many people go for 'organic' meat or 'free range' product, the fact 99.999% of the population doesn't will not change.
Once, this bothered me mightily, especially after the UK's Channel 4 showed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Animals_Film" rel="nofollow - the animals film in its entirety, uncut and I was strict vegetarian for 10 years (and this in a time when the standard vegetarian option in a restaurant was a horribly foreshortened cheese & tomato quiche, quorn was unheard of & ready meals for veggies were inedible pap), but eventually, I weakened, the temptation of various meats (yes, that was primarily bacon) drew me back in & now I'll eat anything - call me weak willed, whatever, I'm no longer vegetarian - I do however have major respect for those who manage to maintain such a diet. ------------- 
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Posted By: zeqexes
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 03:21
This is pretty much my view on it. I don't condemn it; if it works for you, then fair enough ------------- 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 03:27
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Yes, me too. Vegetarianism and veganism are life-style choices and open to all who have the luxury of choosing, properly balanced (and if necessarily supplemented with vitamin supplements) it can be as healthy as a normal diet, though not as natural.
Animal husbandry is improving, not as fast as it should but it is improving, and for our population the need to farm animals cannot be avoided. Sure some animals are not treated well by some humans, some humans are not treated well by some humans either, as a species we're not that nice. As a lifestyle choice I will buy free-range and farm-assured. I'm not so enthusiastic about organic - that's a marketing ploy whose administration pushes the prices up and doesn't reflect the true cost of implementing it, regardless of the propaganda - organic veg does not taste like home-grown. What is more important to me when buying veg is food-miles, I don't need fresh strawberries in January, this is why we invented jam. ------------- What? |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 03:38
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I am not a vegetarian myself, but if anyone wants to be for whatever reason, I don't disapprove of it. Speaking for myself, I like to have some meat on my dish, but not in too large quantities. And I find nothing wronh with a vegetarian meal now and then. Veganism would be one bridge too far for me. And I agree with what Dean says about organic food. ------------- 
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Posted By: *frinspar*
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 03:51
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I'd also like to add that I know full well how the meat gets to my plate. I'm just not going to apologize for it. As Popeye is fond of saying, I yam what I yam.  |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 03:59
| mmmm.. Popeyes |
Posted By: Kirillov
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 04:27
| I agree that vegetarianism is a noble cause, but anyone wishing to give up eating meat needs to take care. I gave up meat for a time, but ate a lot more fish. This gave me gout from which I still suffer :( |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 04:34
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I don't see it as a noble cause one bit. But I think in general we eat too much meat and a few meat free days a week is a good thing to aim for.
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Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 04:49
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Like any religion, it has its good points and its bad ones.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 05:02
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I do not believe that vegetarianism is a noble cause. I believe it is a cop-out - the art of doing nothing while thinking you're doing good. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 05:08
If anything only a Vegan can be considerd noble in these terms. Any vegetarian that thinks he is doing it for anything other than personal taste should stop eating dairy products too. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 05:33
It is a lifestyle choice and nothing more. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 05:34
A cop out or an excuse for smugness - speaking as an ex "Well-I-know-I-can't-change-anything-but-doesn't-mean-I-have-to-be-part-of-it" vegetarian, I know  -------------
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 05:49
Neither do I. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 05:55
I agree. It's also something I neither applaud or have a problem with. When someone tells me they don't eat meat it has the same impact on me as them telling me they don't drink peppermint tea. I'm also inclined to think that government advice on diet should be taken with a pinch of salt (so to speak) What's good for you on Monday will be bad for you on Tuesday - according to some study in Japan, or something. In the early 80's peanut butter was linked to cancer. Orange juice - drunk in the mornings only - was linked to a potentially increased risk of stomach cancer last year. When it comes to meat we should probably bear in mind that nature 'designed' us to eat meat, hence we have canine teeth for tearing it. Red meat is rich in vitamin B, zinc, selenium, protein and numerous other essential minerals and elements which we need for good health. Despite the fat content the consumption of red meat is a healthy thing, IMO so long as part of a diet which balances meat with vegetable matter. We are omnivores, after all. Combined with exercise, not smoking and only moderate drinking, I don't believe there is any negative impact to eating red meat. Processed meat may be a different matter altogether. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 10:58
| I do not consider eating meat to be a noble thing, nor do I applaud it, nor do I find anything wrong with it, now apply that same statement to vegetarianism. Although I will challenge you to drive by a mega feed lot in the state of kansas and then tell me your feelings on meat. The important thing with food, be it grains, meat, fruit or veggies, is the question.....is it good wholesome food. For those who might want to argue about it does not matter if it is wholesome........I am not listening. |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 11:02
mmmm... popped eyes.... seefood... ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 11:12
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What is unwholesome food? By definition we do not eat unwholesome food because http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Unwholesome+food" rel="nofollow - by defintion unwholesome food is food that is unfit to eat.
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 11:32
My wife has been a vegetarian for 25 years. She is not smug. She just will not hurt an animal for any reason. She does not believe she can improve the world. She is who she is. We raise organic food here for our own consumption. We like the food we grow and enjoy growing it. It is something we do together and it is very satisfying. We also have honeybees and enjoy them also. Our place also provides habitat for songbirds, woodpeckers squirrels and raccoons, we enjoy them also. We do it because we can. We also have opossums come thru every now and again, they are quite ugly but we enjoy them just the same.
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 12:32
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How do you cook a honeybee? ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 12:37
| ^ how do you make a stupid comment |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 12:49
Beehive yourself. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 12:54
Omnivores can eat practically anything but that does not mean we will or we should, and cultural differences play a large role in what we will eat and won't eat. There are a few reptiles and insects that are poisonous and it's not a good idea to eat dog liver but most animals are edible. Eating most plants will either kill you or make you very ill, most are indegestible, one thing we are incapable of doing is over-grazing. ------------- What? |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 12:59
| I have seen many here in America who look like they have overgrazed. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 13:02
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Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 13:33
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I don't practice vegitarianism, but I respect the choice of anyone who chooses to do so. ------------- I love dogs, I've always loved dogs |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 13:35
Well why wouldn't you? I*n what way would it have any effect or bearing on you? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 13:40
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I think we eat too much meat in general and we expect it to be cheap. Hence animals are often kept in terrible conditions. We should pay the full price of good animal husbandry. I prefer to eat less meat , less often and good quality 'free range' 'farm assured' meat and eggs. It would be nice if everyone did the same but it aint gonna happen especially at the moment with the economy and all that. ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 14:15
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I found that when I discovered vegetarian Indian, I could actually entertain the idea of not eating meat. Unfortunately I also love Indian meat dishes. My sister decided to go mostly vegetarian recently and her husband is doing vegan. We did a mostly veg Thanksgiving last year. And totally veg Christmas dinner when we got together. I have no plans on giving up meat, but from a health standpoint it doesn't hurt to moderate. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 16:27
Any time you want to come over and grab some bees out of the hive to cook let me know and I will oblige.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 16:39
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i ate a vegan taco at Roskilde festival, i felt all the time that i was missing something, i really feal that vaganisme and vegetarianisme is something that is craving devotion and time and effort that i am not willing to throw myself into, im to much in love with Hungarain food to never eat Paprikash and Goulasj to quit eating that.... -------------  
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 16:49
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 16:56
| Yeah, I never claimed to eat bees either nor was i interested in cooking them, or even knowing how to cook them. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 16:57
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I never wanted to read about bees. Or know that you kept them. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 17:00
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Oh, not again! Threads always turn into huge ass arguments ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow"> The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 17:03
No they don't ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 17:03
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We should eat the vegetarians. You are what you eat after all... ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 17:10
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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 17:11
Mine do ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow"> The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 17:14
Yup. Especially vegetarian ones that start "I think it's a noble cause"
A simple forum search would have revealed that this topic always ends in huge ass arguments because I get involved in them. Be warned for next time because I will not change. Vegetartianism is not a noble cause, it's a life-style choice. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 17:16
The irony escaped you.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 17:19
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lol
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 19:09
I never wanted to know that you wanted to kick a duck up it 's ass but every time you post I have to see it. Of course it does not surprise me seeing where it comes from.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 20:36
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I have an $800 gas grill in the backyard. Let me tell you, lettuce does not cook well on it.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 20:55
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^Try cucumber. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 22:09
Considering the potential for foolish trolling this subject matter presents, the thread has thus far been very mild mannered. I still have not seen the jerky reply, "for every animal you don't eat, I will eat two." At this point most clinical data will point out that animal proteins are easily substituted with vegetable protein, primarily from legumes. Is it as tasty? Well, all depends on the consumer and the preparer. Do I have a problem with the consumption of either. It is also becoming apparent that the quantity of protein required in a healthy diet has been greatly overestimated. We know from liver failure patients that have difficulty digesting protein that the body can function on very little protein. I think we have reached the point that the key is not what we consume, but how it is produced. The meat factory mass production practices that have been so pervasive in the last 50 years are unsustainable, as are monoculture that leaches soil of nutrients and require artificial fertilization. I fully support meat eaters and vegetarians. Both can be done in a conscientious and sustainable manner. Buy locally from a source that you know what practices are used. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 03:05
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21038521" rel="nofollow - Of course, it does help if you actually know what meat you're eating...
Dean made a reference to cultural differences earlier - in France/Belgium/Holland, this story would only be about burgers not containing what they say they do, but over here, there's an outcry... "HORSE! WE DON'T EAT HORSE IN ENGLAND!" [edit] Interesting language used, too - "contaminated" with horse-meat; surely a contamination infers containing a substance hazardous to health  -------------
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 03:27
It's a quote that I've been waiting to see if someone solves the source. But hey, it's just dandy your opinion of me is so high. I'll see if I can think the worse of you from now on... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Ady Cardiac
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 03:34
| alot of talk on the news this morning about horsemeat found in burgers this morning.....pah.......not that bothered......ya its worrying that its only just been found out so where are those who are suppose to keep an eye on what goes in?.....i'm not that bothered as i'll try anything once......i've eaten various meats over the years and i've never tried horsemeat.....i'd give it a go. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 03:38
My friend is from Witney. Looks like a lovely place. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 03:40
We seem to get hysterical about these sort of things here. What are we animals? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Ady Cardiac
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 03:43
its a nice little town.....has a few chavs and has its own townie lifestyle...a tiny alternative scene...about 20 odd pubs/bars......its also David Camerons constituency........
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 03:43
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I'm more impressed by Tesco's burgers than I thought I was - it says the sample tested contained 29% horse meat - I'm surprised they contained that much meat.
On holiday last year the good lady wife turned her nose up at Steak Haché œufs à Cheval on the menu in every café we dined at even after repeated attempts to explain it was beef not horse and just means "on horseback" just like devils on horseback and pigs on horseback. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Neelus
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 04:05
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 04:12
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 05:25
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^yup, when you consider Oreo's are a qualifying vegan food, it makes sense that obese vegans, while not the norm, can and do exist. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 05:56
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^ the point being that unhealthy eaters are not unhealthy because the eat too much meat, they are unhealthy because they eat too much. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 06:06
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True - many years ago, my mother was told by her doctor that if she wanted to lose weight the best & most foolproof way was to eat exactly what she ate everyday, but just less of it.
There is no correlation between vegetarianism & health; lifestyle/moderation & health, certainly, but eating meat or otherwise makes no difference. -------------
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 06:26
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Reading on Facebook of people throwing their burgers away. Now that is disgusting.
edit Because of a comment I left my nephews wife will feed them to a cat. That's better anyway. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Neelus
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 06:42
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According to this article Tour cyclists consume about 6000 calories per day during competition. Thats alot of cheeseburger. http://cyclingnz.com/cnz5_science.php?a=72" rel="nofollow - http://cyclingnz.com/cnz5_science.php?a=72 -------------
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 06:50
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The root problem is the same as for so many other issues: too many people on this planet, and too many of them concentrated on huge urban areas. In this small Belgian village you can still go to the local butcher whom you know personally and have beers at the cafe with, when you walk your dog beyond the village houses you walk next to his cows which quietly and freely graze the abundant grass the whole day, a limited number of cows in a very large field, in spring you see the young calves grazing around and growing week by week, every few days you see him taking a couple of cows to slaughter with his tractor and you know when you buy a steak the next day that it's from the cow you saw yesterday passing on the tractor oblivious of her fate a couple of hours later. I visit Senegal often and in the small coast villages you tell a local guy in the morning that you would like a lobster for dinner, he goes to sea with his tiny boat and a couple of hours later he is back with a smile on his face, a living lobster on his right hand and some fish for his own family dinner in his left hand. I guess that 500 years ago when all meat and fish were obtained in similar fashions, people rarely cared or even thought about vegetarianism (let alone veganism). It's the modern mass-volume ways of providing meat and fish to the alarmingly huge population which have caused the issue to raise.
I guess that some vegetarians (I'm not one of them) practice it because they see it as a noble cause, meaning that their concept of 'nobility' is possibly different from ours. Probably they see it not too different from refraining from buying a real mink fur coat or things like that, and this is not meaning that they deluse themselves thinking that their choice is gonna change the world, but it's just their personal statement to raise awareness about some issues that might otherwise get ignored. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 06:54
It is terrible. What's wrong with eating horsemeat anyway? Why is it any more aceeptable or unnacceptable than eating cow, or lamb or deer?? It is of course a cultural thing, and I suspect the biggest problem here is that Tesco were selling what were supposadly beef bufburgers, without declaring the horsemeat contents in the ingredients. Years from now we'll all be eating fake meat grown in labs anyway, from stem cells, and most people will be coaxed into thinking that is perfectly ok, through decades of pressure and brainwashing from 'ethical' politicians who will all still be gorging on venison and fois gras every day. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 06:57
They couldn't, they and Iceland didn't know. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 07:30
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 08:00
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^I made a Quorn lasagne on Monday. Very good it was too... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: awaken77
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 09:11
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I'm negative to veganism, or any other "sectarian" ideology , either religious or not |
Posted By: Neelus
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 09:12
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 09:48
WTF? 
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 10:36
The principles of growing meat meat from stem cells in a lab, is established. That is actual meat, not meat substitute like soya. Mass producing it is the challenge, as no doubt marketing it to people like me will be too. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 10:43
Because we can does not mean that we will - there are lots of things we can do in a lab that never find commercial application. I just do not think that doom and gloom dystopia isn't as imminent or as likely as many believe it to be. ------------- What? |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 10:53
Nobility over semantics, impressive.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 10:54
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 11:12
| Let me get this straight. Veggie diet is not noble. Eating beef but not horse is, even though a horse eats about the same diet as a cow. I don't know where the nobility factor came into the discussion. Eating any kind of food and the concept of nobility seems foolish. I would consider any meat i did not personally raise to be mystery meat. This includes so called organic meat.as pointed out before people are resilient and can eat just about anything. Lewis & Clark started out eating buffalo and then switched to horses when that ran out and when they ran out of horse they ate dog.I suspect if they had not met the Nez Perce indians they would have eventually eaten each other. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 11:20
You seem to have missread this entire thread and all the posts in it.
Nobility has nothing to do with "noble cause" the nobility is in the cause not in the act. At no time has anyone made any claim that eating a particular food group has any nobility or that adopting a particular life-style diet bestows nobility. The "Noble Cause" mentioned in the opening post (in fact it is the opening phrase in the opening sentence of the opening post in this thread) is the idea that following a course of action (in this case choosing to abstain from eating meat) will result in some positive result in some possibly (but not necessarily) related field. ------------- What? |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 11:39
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Semantic juggling, I did not miss the premise. I never said eating vegetables is a "noble cause". Eating vegetables is just what it says it is and that is all. Since you like to argue about words perhaps you can tell me the meaning of "turn her nose up at". My dictionary says....to refuse to accept something because you feel that it is not good enough for you: so horse is not good enough for your wife, even the concept on a menu is repulsive to her. My wife does not eat animals at all, even the thought of eating one is repulsive to her. I do not think either is wrong, thats just who they are. To say vegans are smug and bash them for a lifestyle choice is narrow minded.
And the topic was thoughts on vegita.........the title was not Is vegit a noble cause so maybe it was you who should go back and reread the title of the topic
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 11:49
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 11:53
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Practiced veggie diet for a while because I thought it was healthier. Couldn't believe how much better I felt when I started eating meat again. Beans and tofu/etc were apparently not doing it for my body. Or my taste buds. I really enjoy meat and will continue to eat it, albeit in moderate quantities. I eat very little fast food. Mostly I eat poultry and fish, occasionally beef, rarely pork. ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 11:57
a) You don't know what the other 71% is.
b) What are 'pigs on horseback' ? (I know pigs in blankets but...)
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 12:24
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 12:38
wtf?
no, really.
W. T. F. ?
The http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91524&PID=4699854#4699854" rel="nofollow - OPENING POST of any thread tells you what the thread is about - the title does not. Read the effin' OP first, then post - that's how it's done, that's how this and every other forum works. Read the OP, read a few replies and add your own comments - NOT read the title and guess what everyone is talking about. The OPENING POST of this thread states:
Seriously. No one accused you of saying that 'eating vegetables is a "noble cause".' Not me, not anyone and I certainly never accused any vegetarians of being smug, nor did I ever bash them for anything.
"turn her up" is a British idiom in common usage for anyone who refuses to eat anything for any reason - sure it used to mean it wasn't good enough for them, but that is no longer the case - idiomatic usage changes with the generations, not with your dictionary. It was meant as an amusing little story nothing more but it appears my ability to tell a humourous tale has failed me. Perhaps I'll have better luck next time but I doubt it.
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 12:48
| I agree with everything you say, these dictionaries need to consult you so they can get it right. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 12:58
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 13:15
Dictionaries do not reflect the constantly changing usage of language, they rely on published verifiable sources for their definitions - how language is used adapts to the changing times, the meanings of words and phrases changes: first they are used in everyday speech, then they enter into the written word (or in these technological times, are used in some other media such as the Internet or TV) and then the defintion in the dictionary is updated to reflect this change. A dictionary is only as current as its last update.
Often an idiom is used in a sarcastic way such as when the phrase "not good enough for you" is used regardless of the worth of the item being refused, "turning ones nose up" also has a sarcastic use, especially in the UK. An idiom's or word's meaning can also change with location, and in extreme examples mean entirely the opposite, like "Bad" now means "Good" and "Lucked-out" in the USA means good luck and in the UK it means bad luck. Language is dynamic and not cast in stone.
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 13:48
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Many early cultures cast their language in stone. It was heavy I suppose. I would challenge you to show where the meaning of " turning one's nose up" has changed. ................... This week’s idiom is to “turn one’s nose up at something”. It is used when we want to talk about a person who refuses something because they think it’s not good enough for them. For example: This is a good job even though the salary is not so high. You shouldn’t turn your nose up at it. Jenny is so superficial. She turns her nose up at any guy who’s not handsome and rich. When I was young I used to turn my nose up at any foreign food, but I don’t do that anymore. My apartment isn’t so nice, but it was the only place I could find to live. I couldn’t afford to turn my nose up at it. So this expression is always used in a negative way to talk about people who are being snobby or picky about something. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 13:52
| Come on, guys. A hot exchange on a 'vegetarian' thread - tell me this is right. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 13:54
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^But in this case she wasn't turning her nose up at it because it wasn't good enough. It was because she didn't like the idea of eating horse. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 13:57
| Hey , it wasn't my story. |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 14:01
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 14:47
Hey, I was going to go an array of dancing gorillas, but decided to just put an array of the ROFL emoticons below a single image.  It's kind of spooky, they seem to be dancing to the rhythm of what I am listening to at the moment.
Double plus good. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 15:46
| One thing for certain about veggies and fruit, whether it be homegrown, organic or just off the grocery shelf, when I bite into that nice carrot or apple I never have that overwhelming ?? in my mind, could this possibly be, God forbid, that horrible no no, HORSEMEAT. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 16:02
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