Progressive rock: a man's genre?

...anyway, Lozlan had said something to the effect earlier that the differences between men and women are socio-cultural. I'd disagree with that and say that even in music, there are some biological differences. The problem is really more that since music was dominated by men for so long, they have an unreasonable expectation that women should do everything the way the man do it in music, else it's not good. That wall too is gradually being broken down. Anyway, with regard to singing, I do think soprano voices have more facility in melodious and soft singing than tenor types.  Of course, you can always find tenors who sing much better than some sopranos too, so this is just a general observation and also based more on sopranos and tenors in rock/pop and not classical music.  Sopranos tend to be women so there's a biological difference for you. In fact, there's practically nothing you can do about the voice type you are born with and it will cast you into a different niche of singing.  Contralto females are more suitable for jazz singing and for folk/classical, soprano works well. Once again, capable singers break these barriers too but they do have a bearing on what kind of singing you tend more towards. Women are also better at expressing reticence and ambivalence in singing. I think this is partly a function of the voice type and partly a cultural difference. 

Edited by rogerthat - May 27 2011 at 06:05

rogerthat wrote: ...anyway, Lozlan had said something to the effect earlier that the differences between men and women are socio-cultural. I'd disagree with that and say that even in music, there are some biological differences. The problem is really more that since music was dominated by men for so long, they have an unreasonable expectation that women should do everything the way the man do it in music, else it's not good. That wall too is gradually being broken down. Anyway, with regard to singing, I do think soprano voices have more facility in melodious and soft singing than tenor types.  Of course, you can always find tenors who sing much better than some sopranos too, so this is just a general observation and also based more on sopranos and tenors in rock/pop and not classical music.  Sopranos tend to be women so there's a biological difference for you. In fact, there's practically nothing you can do about the voice type you are born with and it will cast you into a different niche of singing.  Contralto females are more suitable for jazz singing and for folk/classical, soprano works well. Once again, capable singers break these barriers too but they do have a bearing on what kind of singing you tend more towards. Women are also better at expressing reticence and ambivalence in singing. I think this is partly a function of the voice type and partly a cultural difference.  In short, there will be some inherent differences between men and women because, well, they can and we can't  but because society was male dominated these differences were for a long time projected as proof of women's inferiority to men, which is needless to say a sexist stance.

I really don't understand why evolution and biological imperatives would influence the types of music a person enjoys. Are you making some argument that women are more soft, cuddly, and caring (mothering instinct or what have you), and therefore like music that is sappy and emotional? I really don't buy that the type of voice an individual has influences their musical preference...I like Captain Beefheart but I certainly don't have a five-octave growling range capable of shattering cinderblocks.

Also, since I know a fair number of women who enjoy prog, are they some sort of genetic mistake? Let's get specific here.


Edited by Lozlan - May 27 2011 at 11:09

There is no such thing as a genetic 'mistake'. Everything we do is circumstantial, genetic, environmental, conditioned, and attributed to an infinite web of faceted circumstances that have constructed the situations we're in. Of course there are genetic differences - that's scientific. Does that mean ALL women and men think in exactly the same ways? Reality doesn't generalize. Fact is fact. The goal of scientific research is to explain, not typify. Everything you like and do can be rationally explained by applying enough attention to the individual strands that have coalesced together to construct your existence. 

Alitare wrote: There is no such thing as a genetic 'mistake'. Everything we do is circumstantial, genetic, environmental, conditioned, and attributed to an infinite web of faceted circumstances that have constructed the situations we're in. Of course there are genetic differences - that's scientific. Does that mean ALL women and men think in exactly the same ways? Reality doesn't generalize. Fact is fact. The goal of scientific research is to explain, not typify. Everything you like and do can be rationally explained by applying enough attention to the individual strands that have coalesced together to construct your existence.  I want a blowjob.

Ah! Tell that to my vestigial tail. Although it does give me amazing balance.

I agree with your final statement, but strongly disagree with your overall conceptualization. I was planning on spending a little time poking your previous post about racism and survivalism with a stick, but it was crammed full of delicious dudely posturing and I got bored. Maybe I'll go back later today, even if the prospect thrills me about as much as stabbing myself in the eye with a thumbtack coated in lemon juice. That's the problem with these debates: they are never actual debates.

As for the blowjob, have a few ribs removed.




Edited by Lozlan - May 27 2011 at 11:28

But, at the end, the truth is that your "progressive rock scene" is a dead scene on the modern stage of music: for many, progressive rock died with the arrival of Punk and New Wave. Your music died in 1976 and no one cared about the burial.
But you feel the need to claim your love for a genre that just a minority cares about: most of you are WASP, middle-class young men, you worship Rush, you fancy heroic-fantasy, badly written "SF", you still have your D&D books, you think you are an elite or a "persecuted minority" for loving this genre... No wonder no one wants to join your club.

Over the couple of years I spend on this forum, I've seen:
 - debates about the superiority of progressive rock upon other musical genres;
 - a thousand stupid, needless polls about "Make your dream band", "Who's the best singer", "Yes, Genesis or Rush?" (hello, Gandalff, too much free time?)
- Christian propaganda Vs. the most stupid atheist in the world (hello, Mike, need fibers?)
- Libertarian propaganda (hello, social darwinism)
- aginor destroying English linguage;
- Henry Plainview - and I just need to type this sole name to feel disturbed;
- the inability to understand that AVANT-GARDE IS NOT A f**kING GENRE, MORONS! Go read a dictionary!
- the GURLS (PA needs more women).

Oh, yeah, women.
The girls. The chicks, the "shes".
They have short attention spans. They only care for the melodies. They are irrational. They can't understand the superiority of progressive rock. They can't drum.
And, now, biological hypothesis, handled by semi-savant monkeys launched on internet, fed from Wikipedia, without anyone to punch them in the face while they obviously need it.

I have enough of this zoo. This hell.
I can't stay on this forum without having bursts of irritation: I stopped lurking on the Christian/Agnostic threads, the Libertarian thread - and even most of the musical threads. But it's not enough. I have to get the hell out of here.

Women don't care about your f**king progressive rock music, because men don't care about it.
No one cares about it.
No one cares about YOU.

Wow

CPicard wrote: But, at the end, the truth is that your "progressive rock scene" is a dead scene on the modern stage of music: for many, progressive rock died with the arrival of Punk and New Wave. Your music died in 1976 and no one cared about the burial. But you feel the need to claim your love for a genre that just a minority cares about: most of you are WASP, middle-class young men, you worship Rush, you fancy heroic-fantasy, badly written "SF", you still have your D&D books, you think you are an elite or a "persecuted minority" for loving this genre... No wonder no one wants to join your club. Over the couple of years I spend on this forum, I've seen:  - debates about the superiority of progressive rock upon other musical genres;  - a thousand stupid, needless polls about "Make your dream band", "Who's the best singer", "Yes, Genesis or Rush?" (hello, Gandalff, too much free time?) - Christian propaganda Vs. the most stupid atheist in the world (hello, Mike, need fibers?) - Libertarian propaganda (hello, social darwinism) - aginor destroying English linguage; - Henry Plainview - and I just need to type this sole name to feel disturbed; - the inability to understand that AVANT-GARDE IS NOT A f**kING GENRE, MORONS! Go read a dictionary! - the GURLS (PA needs more women). Oh, yeah, women. The girls. The chicks, the "shes". They have short attention spans. They only care for the melodies. They are irrational. They can't understand the superiority of progressive rock. They can't drum. And, now, biological hypothesis, handled by semi-savant monkeys launched on internet, fed from Wikipedia, without anyone to punch them in the face while they obviously need it. I have enough of this zoo. This hell. I can't stay on this forum without having bursts of irritation: I stopped lurking on the Christian/Agnostic threads, the Libertarian thread - and even most of the musical threads. But it's not enough. I have to get the hell out of here. Women don't care about your f**king progressive rock music, because men don't care about it. No one cares about it. No one cares about YOU.

Alitare wrote: And here I thought my requests for fellatio were going to be the straws that broke the camel's banhammer and got this thread shut down. Actually, I thought the inherent sexism in the thread's bloodstream would've gotten it locked ages ago. And here it's all gonna come crashing down because of what practically constitutes a disgruntled observing pedestrian.

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