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Catcher10

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Posted: January 06 2011 at 11:20

^ That would earn you a back scratch and a dried up pigs ear to chew on.....

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Posted: January 06 2011 at 11:22

So much energy expended on whether these top bands are under or over rated. In the mean time there are so many bands who are hardly rated at all.

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Posted: January 06 2011 at 11:22

Catcher10 wrote:

^ That would earn you a back scratch and a dried up pigs ear to chew on.....

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Posted: January 06 2011 at 11:43

Snow Dog wrote:

Catcher10 wrote:

^ That would earn you a back scratch and a dried up pigs ear to chew on.....

...if you were to upload the tv program that is...

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Posted: January 06 2011 at 11:45

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I actually like Gabriel but I think Tony Banks and Phil Collins were(/are) both too arrogant to allow the others to contribute what they were capable of.

Certainly you can say that Tony was/is arrogant in terms of what went on the albums.

However, you cannot level that accusation at Phil. He was a very minor contributor until duke and after that, even though he was a superstar away from the band, was extremely keen that the contributions were split 3 ways and that all albums from duke onwards were a true group effort.

Tony was always the major contributor to Genesis (even on songs such as "Hold On My Heart") and, for me, was always the heartbeat of the band.

Edited by Nov - January 06 2011 at 11:46

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Posted: January 06 2011 at 11:45

Catcher10 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Catcher10 wrote:

^ That would earn you a back scratch and a dried up pigs ear to chew on.....

...if you were to upload the tv program that is...

I understood. LOL

It was just getting a bit..........weird....you know? Shocked

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Posted: January 06 2011 at 12:03

^ True.........this whole post is weird........Genesis is the greatest band in the land

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Posted: January 06 2011 at 12:30

I think it's impossible to call Genesis "overrated" - they are like Mozart in classical music : you can not to like them but you should admit that they are great. Why? Because they 1971,1972,1973,1974 albums are wonderful examples of pure beauty and profoundness, they are really full of inspiration and they are free from stupid experiments .

I'm not their fanboy so I don't think I'm very subjective writing that Geek

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Posted: January 06 2011 at 13:38

Snow Dog wrote:

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One of the subjects in tonight's Celeb mastermind is Genesis.

7PM BBC1

Top marks for Mr Blacksword. Easy!

Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!

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Posted: January 06 2011 at 13:49

I got most.

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Posted: January 06 2011 at 14:22

I'm bored. Let's fight.

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Now before you proggies get offended by my comments regarding the oh so lovely Genesis You actually expect us and want us to get offended, that's why you say this (oops, sarcasm already - my bad!) See? I think it's important you understand I have given a great deal of time listening to Gabriel-era Genesis, in particular Foxtrot and Selling England by the Pound.

Is there something I'm missing? No. Music is not just supposed to be "found". Either you like it or not. Give it a few tries of course before deciding. Cause i've listened to a lot of prog and, sure, Genesis shows the elements of the music I love but it really seems to go nowhere. ??? Opinion. I think the problem is largely Phil Collins' fault, there's only so much high-hat and no ride I can bear with drumming in prog. ??? There are tons of drummers who largely ignore the ride cymbal to keep the rhythm. It's your taste and choice not to like the practice, not the drummer's. Very bland indeed. Secondly, and feel free to offer a different thought on this, I find Gabriel's voice to be almost...cringeworthy. It takes some time to get used to it, I give you that. Sorry, but it's really unpleasant to listen to.Opinion. Furthermore, I think I can safely say that a band that can't keep an 8 minute song interesting should never venture out to the territory of the 20+ minute epic - Time to tell that to pretty much EVERY prog-rock band around. The amount of actual entertaining 20+ minute rock epics in existence is minimal. And I think Supper's Ready is one of those exceptions. Rock music just lacks the formal, thematical and harmonical interest factors to keep me entertained for more than 12 minutes, with exceptions. you all know what song i'm talking about, that really dull one that fails to lift the ground.No. We know which one it is because is their ONLY 20+ minute song, duh. Mellotrons are great for creating emotion in music, but after hearing Genesis use one it makes me feel the anger like i've just tried mowing my boring lawn with a majestic chair and subsequently failed.Your fail. Lastly, although unrelated to the Gabriel-era, Genesis facilitated the rise of disco. One can only hope they look back at that with shame.I guess Gabriel also facilitated the rise of polio.

Does anyone else find the constant bombardment of Genesis related material on progarchives both unfathomable (due to the above reasons) and unbearable (ditto)?A few people. Usually those who can't accept others' opinions. Because it's all SO easy just to... SKIP.

Also, in regards to responses, no "well that's your opinion" crap. You're damn right it's my opinion.But you haven't yet earned our respect for your opinion, I'm damn right.

Ah well, gotta go - supper's ready, shame it's always ordinary.Try Genesis' version then...

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Posted: January 06 2011 at 14:48

The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway > The Cinema Shows What I Like in Epping Forest (any reference to Firth intentionally left out)

Everything else on Foxtrot > Supper's Ready

I guess I don't see the attraction to their more popular material. I hope this was helpful. Big smile

Edited by hobocamp - January 13 2011 at 11:42

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Posted: January 06 2011 at 16:26

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Love Genesis---mostly---maybe the early stuff is too British for you. What prog do you love?

Yeah, maybe it's too British. Most of my favourite prog is generally within the German Krautrock and Italian prog stuff. But still really big on British bands like King Crimson, Yes, Pink Floyd, The Moody Blues, Caravan, Camel, Soft Machine as well as a lot of the 60's proto-prog.

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Posted: January 06 2011 at 16:32

Nov wrote:

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if you considered The Beatles to be over-rated as well.

I suggest you allow your musical taste to evolve and mature, have another listen, and then report back in a year or two.

Wink

No way! The Beatles are underrated if anything!

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Posted: January 06 2011 at 16:39

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I got most.

I even got the 2 that Brian Moore didn't.

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Posted: January 06 2011 at 17:42

Snow Dog wrote:

Heads up prog folk.

One of the subjects in tonight's Celeb mastermind is Genesis.

7PM BBC1

Call me a saddo (no, go on LOL

) but I got all 18 correct Wink

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Posted: January 06 2011 at 17:48

The T wrote:

I'm bored. Let's fight.

sarge wrote:

Also, in regards to responses, no "well that's your opinion" crap. You're damn right it's my opinion.But you haven't yet earned our respect for your opinion, I'm damn right.

Ah well, gotta go - supper's ready, shame it's always ordinary.Try Genesis' version then...

T....I am disappointed in you.........this is not a good attempt at getting this party started again (or a fight).

Please edit and try again.....jeez come on man!!!

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Posted: January 06 2011 at 18:36

Catcher10 wrote:

The T wrote:

I'm bored. Let's fight.

sarge wrote:

Also, in regards to responses, no "well that's your opinion" crap. You're damn right it's my opinion.But you haven't yet earned our respect for your opinion, I'm damn right.

Ah well, gotta go - supper's ready, shame it's always ordinary.Try Genesis' version then...

T....I am disappointed in you.........this is not a good attempt at getting this party started again (or a fight).

Please edit and try again.....jeez come on man!!!

That inner troll might be starting to fade.. Cry

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Posted: January 06 2011 at 19:17

I don't know about overrated, but sometimes they get berated around here.

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Posted: January 06 2011 at 21:12

Genesis are terrible. Let's go to the dissscooooooo! fukk!....But nah, yeah, they are very overrated. I'm waiting for Phil Collins to fall off the perch.