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The Sleepwalker 
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 Posted: September 15 2009 at 06:31 |
 progkidjoel wrote:
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I found the first disc to be incredibly inconsistent. It had good moments, but some laughably bad ones as well. Second disc is overall a bit better, but still not that great.To be honest, I don't like their new "proggier" direction. Prefer the good old Deadwing days.
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I prefer the good old Fear Of A Blank Planet days. 
By the way, Dalezilla, I think Deadwing is one of the bands most progressive albums so far... and apart from the concept, I don't think The Incident is very progressive at all.
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progkidjoel
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Posted: September 15 2009 at 06:36 |
^^ 
I agree on the part about The Incident not being very progressive, but I don't agree about Deadwing being very prog.
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Posted: September 15 2009 at 07:21 |
floydispink wrote:
progkidjoel wrote:
Dalezilla wrote:
I found the first disc to be incredibly inconsistent. It had good moments, but some laughably bad ones as well. Second disc is overall a bit better, but still not that great.To be honest, I don't like their new "proggier" direction. Prefer the good old Deadwing days.
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I prefer the good old UP THE DOWNSTAIR days |
I prefer the good old Fear Of A Blank Planet days.
By the way, Dalezilla, I think Deadwing is one of the bands most progressive albums so far... and apart from the concept, I don't think The Incident is very progressive at all. |
I like the diversity of the PT discography. And if I can find a copy for sale locally, I'll be trying out the new one today. Rather excited.
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Posted: September 15 2009 at 07:59 |
floydispink wrote:
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I'm picking mine up on Tuesday and looking forward to it. I haven't really kept up with the thread, but how is the sound/mood of The Incident? Have they broken new ground or anything?
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Well, (thankfully) its not really in the style of FOABP, and as most Porcupine Tree albums do, it feels different to most others they've released.
The mood is fairly dark the entire way through, but there's not really any new ground broken - Sure, its great, but its nothing incredibly special or unique like THE SKY MOVES SIDEWAYS, although its still very good and features some interesting textures and mood swings.
Hope you enjoy it Eric 
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I think the album's sound has quite a lot similarities with FOABP. The mood is very dark, like FOABP, there are some parts where the synth is very present, like FOABP, and there even are some actual connections to FOABP; like the main riff from The Blind House, which is made out of the same chords as a riff from Anesthetize. I think songs like The Incident, Bonnie The Cat, The Blind House, Circle Of Manias and maybe even Time Flies (for the middle part) would fit in pretty good on FOABP. |
I don't HATE it... But it just isn't very interesting. It lacks the creativity, the soundscapes, and the songwriting that made most of their other albums successful. I loved their last five albums so I was bound to be disappointed sooner or later I guess.
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Posted: September 15 2009 at 11:32 |
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^Agreed. Maybe after PT really blew up with Fear of a Blank Planet, Steven Wilson tried a bit too hard to make a stellar, epic follow-up. The result is that it sounds a bit forced, among other things. Not bad, but not great.
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Dalezilla
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Posted: September 15 2009 at 12:12 |
floydispink wrote:
progkidjoel wrote:
Dalezilla wrote:
I found the first disc to be incredibly inconsistent. It had good moments, but some laughably bad ones as well. Second disc is overall a bit better, but still not that great.To be honest, I don't like their new "proggier" direction. Prefer the good old Deadwing days.
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I prefer the good old UP THE DOWNSTAIR days |
I prefer the good old Fear Of A Blank Planet days.
By the way, Dalezilla, I think Deadwing is one of the bands most progressive albums so far... and apart from the concept, I don't think The Incident is very progressive at all. |
Deadwing progressive? Please elaborate. And as far as The Incident goes, I just prefer PT when they're more straightforward and not so meandery.
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Dalezilla
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Posted: September 15 2009 at 12:13 |
Moatilliatta wrote:
^Agreed. Maybe after PT really blew up with Fear of a Blank Planet, Steven Wilson tried a bit too hard to make a stellar, epic follow-up. The result is that it sounds a bit forced, among other things. Not bad, but not great. |
Agree with this. Forced is the word I've been looking for.
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The Sleepwalker
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Posted: September 15 2009 at 12:27 |
Dalezilla wrote:
floydispink wrote:
progkidjoel wrote:
Dalezilla wrote:
I found the first disc to be incredibly inconsistent. It had good moments, but some laughably bad ones as well. Second disc is overall a bit better, but still not that great.To be honest, I don't like their new "proggier" direction. Prefer the good old Deadwing days.
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I prefer the good old UP THE DOWNSTAIR days |
I prefer the good old Fear Of A Blank Planet days.
By the way, Dalezilla, I think Deadwing is one of the bands most progressive albums so far... and apart from the concept, I don't think The Incident is very progressive at all. |
Deadwing progressive? Please elaborate. And as far as The Incident goes, I just prefer PT when they're more straightforward and not so meandery.
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Arriving Somewhere is one of the most progressive songs the band has made, as it has lots of different riffs, parts, and styles in 12 minutes. (soundscapes, verses, heavy part, ambient guitar solo, etc. The title track also is a very strong structured song, like Arriving Somewhere. Mellotron Scratch, The Start Of Something Beautiful, and Glass Arm Shattering don't have a basic structure either, mostly because the second half of these songs are pretty different from the first halfs (ok, Start Of... not that much). Also, the album is a concept album, which doesn't have to be progressive, but because of it the songs have a certain order and move towards the dramatic end, making much progress on the way onto that end. I do agree with you that the remaining songs (Shallow, Lazarus, Halo and Open Car) aren't very progressive though.
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Posted: September 15 2009 at 13:34 |
I've only listened to The Incident a couple times so far, but I already like it more than FOABP, which was awful, even compared to Nil Recurring.
Right now I think the album suffers from being too long for its own good. There are some great moments and some bad ones, and some things that just drag. I already like the 2nd disc better than the first, though the doom metal title track is fabulous.
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Posted: September 15 2009 at 14:13 |
floydispink wrote:
Dalezilla wrote:
floydispink wrote:
progkidjoel wrote:
Dalezilla wrote:
I found the first disc to be incredibly inconsistent. It had good moments, but some laughably bad ones as well. Second disc is overall a bit better, but still not that great.To be honest, I don't like their new "proggier" direction. Prefer the good old Deadwing days.
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I prefer the good old UP THE DOWNSTAIR days |
I prefer the good old Fear Of A Blank Planet days.
By the way, Dalezilla, I think Deadwing is one of the bands most progressive albums so far... and apart from the concept, I don't think The Incident is very progressive at all. |
Deadwing progressive? Please elaborate. And as far as The Incident goes, I just prefer PT when they're more straightforward and not so meandery.
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Arriving Somewhere is one of the most progressive songs the band has made, as it has lots of different riffs, parts, and styles in 12 minutes. (soundscapes, verses, heavy part, ambient guitar solo, etc. The title track also is a very strong structured song, like Arriving Somewhere. Mellotron Scratch, The Start Of Something Beautiful, and Glass Arm Shattering don't have a basic structure either, mostly because the second half of these songs are pretty different from the first halfs (ok, Start Of... not that much). Also, the album is a concept album, which doesn't have to be progressive, but because of it the songs have a certain order and move towards the dramatic end, making much progress on the way onto that end. I do agree with you that the remaining songs (Shallow, Lazarus, Halo and Open Car) aren't very progressive though. |
Fair enough.
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Posted: September 15 2009 at 21:33 |
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I've listened the album a couple of turned now...
There are not too many, if any, great memorable melodies.
Time flies is a Dogs rip off. I know he likes Floyd but...
That is not a 55 minutes song. And if the hype meant a 55 minutes concept, what's so new about that?
It's not a bad album, but it's not great either. To me, Insugentes it's a better PT album.
There's a KC's Red melody in the 2nd song I think.
I like the production very much.
Edited by trili - September 15 2009 at 21:34
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Posted: September 15 2009 at 21:39 |
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I just picked it up at the mall a couple of hours ago. I couldn't find the album at first, but it wasn't with the rest of the PT albums. I just started listening to it now so it's way too early to comment on it.
Edit: Finished the first listen. It will definitely need some time. Not bad. Not spectacular.
Edited by Stooge - September 15 2009 at 23:00
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Posted: September 16 2009 at 07:07 |
Like all the other posts, my opinion is obviously subjective, so if it annoys you, chill !
IMO The Incident is PT's best album since Signify and stomps all over the disjointed mess that was FAOBP, which conversely was their worst album since Signify. In Time Flies I believe they have written a live anthem that might put Even Less on the subs bench, and by the way it's an homage to Pink Floyd, not a copy.
Those of you who are of the mp3 generation should try listening to it on a decent hi-fi (remember them?) with the volume cranked up really high - simply awesome!
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Posted: September 16 2009 at 07:18 |
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well, After my first 2 listens, I didn't like the album much. But giving it more listens, the songs grew on me. especially those filler songs. The chorus of Drawing the line is absolutely horrible. I wonder how the incredible Steven Wilson came up with something like that.
Besides that, most of the songs are good. My favourite part is the verse in Remember me Lover. Time Flies is epic to say the least. Other songs I like are The Incident, Blind House. Great Expectations, Kneel and Disconnect.
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Posted: September 16 2009 at 07:29 |
GoldenSpiral wrote:
I've only listened to The Incident a couple times so far, but I already like it more than FOABP, which was awful, even compared to Nil Recurring.
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I couldn't disagree more.
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Posted: September 16 2009 at 07:32 |
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I think for any other band (or at least a non-prog band), it would be a good album. But since Porcupine Tree has consistently made albums waaaaay better than this one, I just can't get into it.
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billbuckner
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Posted: September 16 2009 at 10:47 |
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It's a fairly typical double album, just too much material, and not enough of it good. There's enough in here for a killer, killer single album, but that's true with just about every highly regarded double album that isn't "Double Nickels on the Dime"
I really like the title track, though.
Edited by billbuckner - September 16 2009 at 10:48
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Posted: September 16 2009 at 11:25 |
So do you guys think it's actually prog, or not? I'm never going to buy it, I'm just curious because I don't see much prog in PT from In Abstentia on so I am baffled by this whole phenomenon.
billbuckner wrote:
It's a fairly typical double album, just too much material, and not enough of it good. There's enough in here for a killer, killer single album, but that's true with just about every highly regarded double album that isn't "Double Nickels on the Dime"
I really like the title track, though.
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75 minutes hardly counts as a double album. They only would have had to edit five minutes out and it would have been a single, and I have trouble believing that 5 minutes makes the difference between boring and a killer, killer album.
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billbuckner
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Posted: September 16 2009 at 11:34 |
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It does when you think the ideal album length is around one hour. (I've always thought the CD 80-minute mark is overstepping for most artists, but that's another discussion altogether)
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billbuckner
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Posted: September 16 2009 at 11:38 |
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Put it this way; one of my favorite examples of a double album hiding a brilliant single album was "Exile on Main St.", which fits on a single CD these days.
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