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Points: 7910 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2009 at 06:52
I remember when Thriller was at it's zenith, The Jacksons had just released Victory and the tour kicked off at Arrowhead Stadium here in Kansas City. This city was absolutely electric and all the news media had converged. Really was something that night.

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That explain why the internet was so slow at 0400, British time.......

I was never a fan of Michael Jackson. But he made this world a lot more interesting by being what he was. He made hundreds of millions very happy. He was a bit of a nutter and perhaps a genious.  Maybe he was regarded a nutter because he was a genious. There is a straight line running from Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart to Michael Jackson. The straight line is also called "lack of social skills". Remember, his childhood was not normal. He did not get an upbringing which promoted social skills, to put it mildly. In these circumstances, building Neverland and sleeping in the same bed as teenage boys seems normal. I do not think Michael Jackson became older than 16 years in his own mind. "I have money and I can do whatever I want". That's the ethic. That's lack of social skills. Maybe he was a pedofile. But I just think he did not have a clue. He was a small child in a cruel world. But that's is still no excuse for what he did. 

I feel sorry for all his fans and those who are crying their eyes out today. Rest In Peace, Michael. 
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The Howard Hughes of Pop is gone. Like so many mega-stars , he never came across as a happy camper, rather a tragic figure locked in a gilded cage. We simple citizens  take for granted many freedoms, such as going to the street corner store to buy a paper, a walk in the park with poochie or having a nice dinner in a bistro. MJ could never enjoy such simple joys. It proves only that life is a never a free ride.
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Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

The Howard Hughes of Pop is gone. Like so many mega-stars , he never came across as a happy camper, rather a tragic figure locked in a gilded cage. We simple citizens  take for granted many freedoms, such as going to the street corner store to buy a paper, a walk in the park with poochie or having a nice dinner in a bistro. MJ could never enjoy such simple joys. It proves only that life is a never a free ride.
 
Please Thomas, that's not the point, his death is sad for those who feel it (honestly I don't, never liked his music and much less him as a person), but lack of privacy is the price you pay for fame and fortune,
 
There's other people who can't buy a paper in the corner or have a dog to ride and much less to have a dinner wherever because they can't afford it or live in a box bellow a bridge....But when they die, nobody gives a damn.
 
He could afford his own amusement park in his huge house, if he lost his money is not anybody's except his fault. He had all the chances and talent enough to make the music all the world liked, 99.99999999999% of the people don't have this oportunity.
 
He's dead...I'm sorry as I am sorry for average John who dies after 40 years of working from 9 to 5 for 6 days a week and 3 mortgages to pay  but  much les than the kid who dies in Puno because he's cold and nobody cares because he never made a video. ( http://americaninlima.com/2009/06/02/needless-deaths-in-the-andes/ )
 
For good or bad, Michael Jackson lived as he wanted to live, he had a chance nobody else has and died because his time came.
 
Sorry, but I can't proclaim what I don't feel.
 
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

The Howard Hughes of Pop is gone. Like so many mega-stars , he never came across as a happy camper, rather a tragic figure locked in a gilded cage. We simple citizens  take for granted many freedoms, such as going to the street corner store to buy a paper, a walk in the park with poochie or having a nice dinner in a bistro. MJ could never enjoy such simple joys. It proves only that life is a never a free ride.
 
Please Thomas, tha's not the point, his death is sad for those who feel it (honestly I don't, never liked his music and much less him as a person), but lack of privacy is the price you pay for fame and fortune,
 
There's other people who can't buy a paper in the corner or have a dog to ride and much less to have a dinner wherever because they can't afford it or live in a box bellow a bridge....But when they die, nobody gives a damn.
 
He could afford his own amusement park in his huge house, if he lost his money is not anybody's except his fault. He had all the chances and talent enough to make the music all the world liked, 99.99999999999% of the people don't have this oportunity.
 
He's dead...I'm sorry as I am sorry for average John who dies after 40 years of working from 9 to 5 for 6 days a week and 3 mortgages to pay  but  much les than the kid who dies in Puno because he's cold and nobody cares because he never made a video. ( http://americaninlima.com/2009/06/02/needless-deaths-in-the-andes/ )
 
For good or bad, Michael Jackson lived as he wanted to live, he had a chance nobody else has and died because his time came.
 
Sorry, but I can't proclaim what I don't feel.
 
Iván
 

Well, your just an arrogant proggie! How dare you not like Michael Jackson. You are a bad person because of this. /sarcasm

As a side note, I think it's  funny that I made a thread about how it was sad that prog musicians were dying about a month ago, and I was called an idiot by the same ppl that are tearing their clothes in sorrow in this thread.


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I will always be angry at Thriller for selling more albums than The Wall. It's only exacerbated by my being irritated at him constantly.



But he did have talent, at least before the 90s.
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Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Have trouble mourning the fact that there's one less child molester in the world now
It's nice that the court of your f**king opinion has the power to make someone have no value as a human being.
Do you have children?
Although I think people get hysterical about pedophiles because they don't understand how they operate (I read recently that a school in England banned anyone from photographing soccer games but I can't find a link), the point is not the natural reactions one has towards pedophiles. The point is that he was acquitted, yet despite the law deciding that he was innocent (twice!), since it his opinion that he did it, he feels free to disregard the evidence and declare him a worthless parisite. This isn't OJ, folks.
 
But even if he were guilty, being a pedophile does not invalidate him as a human being and I take offense at the notion that it does. They are criminals, yes, but their crime is no different from any other. In fact, we should pity them more, as the vast majority of the time they were the victims of abuse themselves.
 
I wasn't endorsing what MoM said nor am I dismissing it Harry,and wasn't trying to pick on you.It's just that being a father my opinions on child molestation or pedophilia might be different than yours.

I'm a mother, and believe me, I feel very strongly about paedophilia. The whole Michael Jackson paedophilia affair, however, always looked like a sham and extortion scheme to me and nothing else.
That being said: I did not like his music at all, but he has done a lot for the visual interpretation of it. Music videos of today would not be what they are without him.


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he sure sang and made som nice songs my favorits are
Human Nature (made by Steve Porcaro of Toto it actualy was a Toto tune the band send as a demotape to Michael and Quincy)
Earth Song
Beat It
Billy Jean
the way you make me feel
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All the newspapers who hungrily printed the endless Wacko Jacko stories are now uniformly eulogising him as the 'pop genius' and are saying things like 'the day the music died' and 'he will be in heaven with Elvis'.  It's a common response from the media, who will now do their best to whip up a mass hysteria and encourage people to grieve for this celebrity as if he was a member of their family.  I guess that when the whole media circus has died down, Jackson's contribution to popular culture will be put into a more balanced perspective.
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Maybe this sad incident will keep some people away from amphetamines (or whatever he used to "prepare" for the tour) ... I surely hope so.
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Oh man, I didn't know he was getting ready for a comeback tour, and supposedly someone helped him pay off all his debt...
And my gut feeling, I really don't think he did what he was accused of. Granted, his relationship with those kids was extremely inappropriate.

Like I said, I just feel bad for the guy.
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From personal tastes, I could never stand his music.

However, whatever we might think, he clearly gave millions of people a great deal of pleasure, and the media circus that accompanied a clearly very disturbed person was distasteful in the extreme.

As an aside, as soon as I got to work this morning, the text sick jokes were already doing the rounds. None of them in particularly good taste.

Ah well...RIP. It's never nice to hear of a premature death, particularly when children are involved.
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hmmm...


heard some songs from Thriller today on the radio ...  I had really forgotten how good they were.   Cracked some dude up sitting in traffic next to me... I was BELTING out 'Wanna be starting something' with everything I had... guess he was watching me hahah.

Anyway... after hearing Beat It follow that... I had to hear the album again.  I was one of the 10% of ALL americans that owned that album.  Long since gone though.  Every CD store in the DC area is completely sold out of Michael Jackson. 


even the limited edition of 'Michael Jackson sings Focus'. 

really hit home that regardless of everything about him.... he was a true talent and made such great music.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVSYJXpD2_E

a yong and talented boy from this video you cant beleeve what this boy is gona du later on his life. here he looks gentle and inocent
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I was very much into his music in the 1980's, in the age of Thriller especially.
 
When a radio station played some old '80's classics today I was impressed once again. He was a great artist, a talented media phenomenon and a skilled composer, and I feel very sad, the road he has taken through the years, both musically and as how he got himself into the press through the years, with or without his own doing.
 
I must say I feel very sad when I think about his death now. He gave the world some great music, but his legs seemed to be to weak to handle the fame, the fortune and all the opportunities that crossed his way. He seemed to estrange himself from the world more and more.
 
Well, a childhood hero has gone, and I'm more shocked by it than I thought, given the fact that from Bad on my interest in his music was declining by every album, and I couldn't feel an emotional attachment to the way he presented himself in the media.
 
But today I feel very sad after all Cry 


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I never believed the pedaphile accusations personally,i felt strongly that people just wanted his money. He was such a boy at heart but he should have known that red flags pop up when adults spend a lot of time playing with children who are not their own, and especially sleeping in the same bad as them. It may have been innocent but come on your just asking for a law suit.Naive to a fault.
I was there in the eighties as a huge music fan,he was all over the place of course,but when you're into IRON MAIDEN,LED ZEPPELIN,BLACK SABBATH etc, you can appreciate that i just couldn't stand his music.I really had no appreciation for it.  I remember being so ticked off that Eddie Van Halen played on one of his tunes.LOL  Later i felt they made a good pair.
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Guilty or not (and I'm afraid he probably was because of the fact that over 90% of accused are, proven data from people who study abusive relationships) the man was a very troubled human being with a distorted sense of reality. 

Thriller was the first album I owned and I lip-synced and tried to dance to it just as millions of others did. I hope he finds peace now, and that what had been so twisted can be healed.
 
But we should name mental sickness for what it is. And yes I am the father of two small children. And yes I deal with real abuse victims in my job. I do not wish vengeance or hate on perpetrators, just hope beyond reason for healing. Sometimes it happens.
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Mourners even on a prog site.... What a guy, eh?LOL
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Originally posted by Conor Fynes Conor Fynes wrote:

Mourners even on a prog site.... What a musician, eh?LOL



this is a music forum... not a recruiting center for the moral majority.
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Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Guilty or not (and I'm afraid he probably was because of the fact that over 90% of accused are, proven data from people who study abusive relationships) the man was a very troubled human being with a distorted sense of reality. 

Thriller was the first album I owned and I lip-synced and tried to dance to it just as millions of others did. I hope he finds peace now, and that what had been so twisted can be healed.
 
But we should name mental sickness for what it is. And yes I am the father of two small children. And yes I deal with real abuse victims in my job. I do not wish vengeance or hate on perpetrators, just hope beyond reason for healing. Sometimes it happens.


This deserves a whole lot of Clap. Somebody who had what so many people are ready to do mayhem for - oodles of money - and was unable to enjoy life is to be pitied, in my very humble opinion. And this has nothing to do with being a fan ,a progger, a bigot, or whatever.
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