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infandous
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Posted: June 09 2009 at 13:43 |
Generally speaking, I'm of the opinion that DT should do whatever they feel like doing. It's their band after all. If they are enjoying their music, then to hell with what us prog nerds think. Obviously, there are still enough people who like what they do for them to keep making albums and DVD's and moderatly large tours in decent sized venues (which, as a previous poster pointed out, makes them pretty unique amoung modern prog bands....metal or otherwise).
However, if I was to point out a criticism it would be that they probably could use an outside producer to keep things a bit more concise. But that would probably be good for a great many modern prog bands as well (and in some cases, I'm sure I wouldn't like the results). Other than that, I'd say they need to get a lyricist.
But on the whole, I've been fairly happy with their last few releases. I'm not a huge fan, but I enjoy them when I want hear crazy technicality for crazy technicality's sake, mixed with big 80's style dramatic melodies and vocals. I don't much care for their 90's stuff.......way to glam sounding (the drum sound on I&W just irritates the hell out of me......can't stand that album because of it, though I like hearing some of those songs live on Scenes from New York and Score).
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moshkito
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Posted: June 09 2009 at 13:54 |
kingfriso wrote:
.... The question is asked on a progressive rock forum, from that point of view there's a lot to say. They aren't the first band to get stuck in the same music over a period of time. They can use some feedback! We are the ones that consider buying their records. |
King ... no band can survive criticism ... when you instill doubt into the creative process, in the end you start hurting it and closing it down ... if you're gonna be a Dream Theater, or any band, and you have no learned to shut off the external dialogue that has nothing to do with the music and what they want to do ... you would be already dead!
If you want to buy it or not? ... it's not for discussion ... that's your personal choice ... but you have no right to determine or state what a musician should do for you, personally.
You can NOT live someone's life ... and neither can any musician or band out there if they wanna make it on their own!
The multitude of opinions and this in that and that and that alone will drive you crazy ... you have to separate it from your life ...
Not sure you understand that ....
As for the stupidity comment ... I can see the wry humor in it, and in the end if it were me as the big artist or musician, I might say that in private to a close friend on a bad moment ... but in general it is not good policy to go around saying that ... even if only for being polite.
No band out there, would ever make it ... if they had to go through this board ... the criticisms that are posted here are not (usually) positive and above all, are not respectful of someone's musical desire and preference ... and this is the reason why I do not "compare" things at all ... we're like a fish in a glass (to name a wonderful song) ...
Some artists will fall for that slave stuff and do what you want ... and I can tell you they aren't prog ... because no prog anything fool would ever do something just for you! Or me!
Edited by moshkito - June 09 2009 at 14:09
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topofsm
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Posted: June 09 2009 at 16:45 |
Maybe they should break up and reform a la Crimson...
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CPicard
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Posted: June 09 2009 at 16:51 |
You mean, with a second drummer??? Where is the emoticon for "fear" when you need it?
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King Crimson776
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Posted: June 09 2009 at 17:51 |
Visitor13 wrote:
The T wrote:
^that makes sense. Believe me, I could start 92871 threads like "What does The Mars Volta need to do?" (and my answer would be get rid of the drummer and drop the caffeinne.. |
Actually that's perfect advice for DT.
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That doesn't even make sense, Portnoy's drumming is the least of their worries. But that sure as hell works for The Mars Volta.
Edited by King Crimson776 - June 09 2009 at 17:52
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King Crimson776
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Posted: June 09 2009 at 17:55 |
moshkito wrote:
kingfriso wrote:
.... The question is asked on a progressive rock forum, from that point of view there's a lot to say. They aren't the first band to get stuck in the same music over a period of time. They can use some feedback! We are the ones that consider buying their records. |
King ... no band can survive criticism ... when you instill doubt into the creative process, in the end you start hurting it and closing it down ... if you're gonna be a Dream Theater, or any band, and you have no learned to shut off the external dialogue that has nothing to do with the music and what they want to do
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Or you could take note of the criticism, take it for what it's worth, and then proceed to make the music how you want to.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 09 2009 at 18:08 |
Oh to heck with what Dream Theater should do? (musically), what should Dream Theater have for dinner? (food-wise)
Edited by Slartibartfast - June 09 2009 at 18:09
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: June 09 2009 at 23:36 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
The problem with listening to people on the internet is that people on the internet are stupid. |
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: June 09 2009 at 23:38 |
The T wrote:
^that makes sense. Believe me, I could start 92871 threads like "What does The Mars Volta need to do?" (and my answer would be get rid of the drummer and drop the caffeinne.. |
Lol at the thought that Theodore is more talented than Pridgen.
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Prog_Bassist
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Posted: June 10 2009 at 01:52 |
They need to get Kevin Moore back behind the keys, he's the only one they've had that hasn't w**ked his way through the tunes, and actually played with feeling.
plus they just need to stop sucking, their last good album was change of seasons. after that they just plain suck.
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npjnpj
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Posted: June 10 2009 at 02:05 |
If DT listened to criticism and changed accordingly, I probably wouldn't like them half so much anymore.
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stonebeard
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Posted: June 10 2009 at 02:28 |
-Less really really fast guitar licks -More prominent keyboards -More interesting keyboard effects -Less predictable -More atmosphere
The new album fixes some of these areas a bit.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: June 10 2009 at 06:53 |
Prog_Bassist wrote:
They need to get Kevin Moore back behind the keys, he's the only one they've had that hasn't w**ked his way through the tunes, and actually played with feeling.
plus they just need to stop sucking, their last good album was change of seasons. after that they just plain suck. |
Agreed! Look at what KM has done solo and with OSI. That type of thing would be welcome to me with Myung and Petrucci.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: June 10 2009 at 06:54 |
stonebeard wrote:
-Less really really fast guitar licks -More prominent keyboards -More interesting keyboard effects -Less predictable -More atmosphere
The new album fixes some of these areas a bit.
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Vompatti
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Posted: June 10 2009 at 07:01 |
I think they should write an 8-hour opera and then quit.
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Alitare
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Posted: June 10 2009 at 07:11 |
Do a metal remake of Tristan und Isolde?
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Epignosis
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Posted: June 10 2009 at 07:17 |
Alitare wrote:
Do a metal remake of Tristan und Isolde?
| Brokeback Mountain.
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Johnny_Tsunami
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Posted: June 11 2009 at 12:45 |
Dream Theater (along with most other prog metal bands) would be awesome with a more contemporary-voiced vocalist.
I hate listening to an awesome song and then have Labrie come in with his ****ty falsetto and ruin the band's style. I'm sorry, for Labrie fans, or Russell Allen fans or Daniel Gildenlow fans, but there's just no place for those vocals in rock/metal. No doubt they're superbly talented singers, and I used to be in to that whole thing, but it just makes each word they sing sound extremely cheesy. That's the root of any prog-metal band's problem; vocals!
Just my opinion, don't want to offend!
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Alitare
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Posted: June 11 2009 at 14:00 |
Ahaha. I actually really love falsetto when it is implemented well. Which means I don't like Labrie's. But, I absolutely love Gildenlow's vocals. It is a style. I get the same from people who dislike death growling. It is a style, and it evokes a mood. Why should we limit the mood of music in general by disallowing bands to utilize a mood crafter? "No place"? Why? Just because you don't like it? It is a band's choice to do or not to do as they please. Even if I dislike a vocal style, I am glad it exists, if for no other reason than to enhance and expand upon the overall musical palette I am able to subject myself to.
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The T
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Posted: June 11 2009 at 14:21 |
The only thing Dream Theater really need to do is never to pay any attention to what's said in "What does DT need to do" threads...
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