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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2008 at 01:21
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

Who is Metalika?


Who is this elusive band?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2008 at 02:03
Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

Who is Metalika?


Who is this elusive band?


Metallica's Siamese-Twin that now lives somewhere in Guam. O_o

But I'm not so excited about their new release.. I mean not only has their sound become somewhat unbearable to listen to, the album title just makes Metallica (apparently the father of Thrash Metal) seem like a Metal-Wanna-Be band.

And don't get me wrong. I like Metallca. Especially their "Ride the Lightning" and "Master of Puppets." But lately, as everyone knows, they have been declining...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2008 at 16:43
Originally posted by topofsm topofsm wrote:

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My expectations are high. I liked St. Anger very much, as well as Load and ReLoad. It was an unique, innovative album, not in terms of composition, but on unique  production (no matter you like it or not, you have to admit it is unique). They had some rocking good riffs, but they lacked solos. It was a decent 3 star album, though. Not a disaster at all, as many people say.
 
Anyway, as a die hard fan who has their whole discography, I hope they come back to their roots with Death Magnetic. The repercutions on what can be heard from now are high.
 
Here you got one of their new songs, The Day That Never Comes:
 
 
Can't wait for the new album! Big%20smile
 
I took a listen to that song. I don't know about you, but it seems to me like a poser band trying to be Metallica, and consciously trying to make a song with the same structure as "One" (it even has the qucik triplet 16th notes on the bass drum).
 
If Death Magnetic sounds like Metallica trying to be Metallica, then I'm not so sure I'm interested.
 
It sounded good to my ears, at first hearing it seemed like Justice and Load. And for those who hate St.Anger, at least this song is definitely different from that album.
 
There's also another song going around, Cyanide. It's played live in Youtube. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2008 at 17:00
i recently heard their new song in good quality, and it actually sparked my interest. they'll never be the band they were, and cant come up with good song titles to save their lives, but it's good to see they're trying to be good again
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2008 at 01:49
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2008 at 04:42
Tickets went on sale this morning to two big Metallica gigs to promote the new album.
 
As the album is touted as a return to 1980s form, the tickets are at 1980s prices - £5!!!
 
 
Got mine Big%20smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2008 at 01:22
guess what a friend of mine gave me a copy of tonight.

that's all Im going to say for the time being... Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2008 at 07:01
As a "Platinum" fan club member, I got an official copy of "My Apocalypse" today.
 
The wma is of surprisingly low quality, as it's volume boosted to distortion point, which makes it very difficult to listen to. I don't want to seem ungrateful for a free music file - but I would have thought that Metallica could provide something that shows off Rick Rubin's production rather than obfuscates it.
 
The song blisters past - it does indeed sound like 1980s Metallica. On first listen, it actually sounds like 2008 Metallica trying to sound like 1988 Metallica.
 
On second listen, some of the crispness, transparency and depth of Rubin's production makes itself apparent, and it's this that loses some of the rawness of old Metallica.
 
There's some interesting stuff going on in the composition, but in these days where poly-rhythms, odd time signatures, unusual harmonies and experimental approaches abound, it does seem a bit tame and dated.
 
The ...And Justice style changes and breakdowns are cool - and with this production, it's a bit like hearing a Justice track the way it was meant to be, except with the pace and aggression of "Damage Inc." - and there's more going on than met my first listen, just like in the old days, so this is going to take a few more listens to sink in.
 
I've got the vinyl package on order - here's hoping that won't be over-boosted.
 
It's an overdue but welcome return to form after the last 3 disasters.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2008 at 18:57
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

As a "Platinum" fan club member, I got an official copy of "My Apocalypse" today.
 
The wma is of surprisingly low quality, as it's volume boosted to distortion point, which makes it very difficult to listen to. I don't want to seem ungrateful for a free music file - but I would have thought that Metallica could provide something that shows off Rick Rubin's production rather than obfuscates it.
 
The song blisters past - it does indeed sound like 1980s Metallica. On first listen, it actually sounds like 2008 Metallica trying to sound like 1988 Metallica.
 
On second listen, some of the crispness, transparency and depth of Rubin's production makes itself apparent, and it's this that loses some of the rawness of old Metallica.
 
There's some interesting stuff going on in the composition, but in these days where poly-rhythms, odd time signatures, unusual harmonies and experimental approaches abound, it does seem a bit tame and dated.
 
The ...And Justice style changes and breakdowns are cool - and with this production, it's a bit like hearing a Justice track the way it was meant to be, except with the pace and aggression of "Damage Inc." - and there's more going on than met my first listen, just like in the old days, so this is going to take a few more listens to sink in.
 
I've got the vinyl package on order - here's hoping that won't be over-boosted.
 
It's an overdue but welcome return to form after the last 3 disasters.
 
Am I the only one who thought My Apocalypse sounded like Slayer? It's great stuff!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2008 at 22:24
basically, the entire album has many intricacies that take many listens to hear and fully understand. Even a few prog moments Thumbs%20Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2008 at 22:43
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

basically, the entire album has many intricacies that take many listens to hear and fully understand. Even a few prog moments Thumbs%20Up
 
Then perhaps I'm game this time around...hell, I bought the latest Priest album...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2008 at 22:46
Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

basically, the entire album has many intricacies that take many listens to hear and fully understand. Even a few prog moments Thumbs%20Up
 
Then perhaps I'm game this time around...hell, I bought the latest Priest album...


ya ive listened to it twice straight through with no reason to turn it off or think it was crap. In fact, it is probably their best since AJFA. They finally found their thing. Combining the best elements of their thrash days, and their post-Black Album days, and with very good effect. I will no doubt buy it when it comes out. And I did not say that before St Anger came out...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2008 at 23:02
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

basically, the entire album has many intricacies that take many listens to hear and fully understand. Even a few prog moments Thumbs%20Up
 
Then perhaps I'm game this time around...hell, I bought the latest Priest album...


ya ive listened to it twice straight through with no reason to turn it off or think it was crap. In fact, it is probably their best since AJFA. They finally found their thing. Combining the best elements of their thrash days, and their post-Black Album days, and with very good effect. I will no doubt buy it when it comes out. And I did not say that before St Anger came out...
 
Damn, y'all are making me revise my 'will never buy another Metallica album' stance I took upon hearing St. Anger LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2008 at 23:08
Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

basically, the entire album has many intricacies that take many listens to hear and fully understand. Even a few prog moments Thumbs%20Up
 
Then perhaps I'm game this time around...hell, I bought the latest Priest album...


ya ive listened to it twice straight through with no reason to turn it off or think it was crap. In fact, it is probably their best since AJFA. They finally found their thing. Combining the best elements of their thrash days, and their post-Black Album days, and with very good effect. I will no doubt buy it when it comes out. And I did not say that before St Anger came out...
 
Damn, y'all are making me revise my 'will never buy another Metallica album' stance I took upon hearing St. Anger LOL


yea i am not joking at all. it's good that they play in standard tuning again, screw that drop C bull! in fact, i will probably listen to the whole album again before i go to sleep.

btw in case you didnt know, the album contains the first Metallica instrumental since AJFA and it kicks a lotta ass! Also the 2nd track is one of the heaviest songs I've ever heard


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 04 2008 at 02:48
Well, I'm sticking with the official route, and I got another track from "Mission Metallica" this morning - it's called "Cyanide", and it's kickass, to coin a phrase!
 
Again, it sounds like "Justice...." era, but it's closer to Garage Days Revisited in style somehow, despite not being a cover. This time the wma is better quality and doesn't distort too badly. The production is superb, providing a really sharp metallic edge. Metallica have gone for a real multi-change approach here, and the track twists and turns with pinpoint brutal logic - somehow everything is forged from a single idea, which is just the way I like it, and yet they seem to have the rock and roll immediacy that characterises all their early albums. It's a bit more convoluted than "Kill 'Em All" or "Ride the Lightning", but that's no bad thing - this is another grower.
 
It's hard to be more specific about what it sounds like - there's an instant accessibility about it, yet all the textural and rhythm changes cloak it in mystery. There aren't any "hard" technical challenges here, but that's not the point. This is still a piece that would be difficult to write - you wouldn't imagine any other band writing this way. It's kinda like the Genesis approach, where the whole is greater than the parts. Even Kirk's solo seems to spring out like a predatory animal that's been waiting to pounce at the right moment, and snarls a primaeval message, rather than bothering with intricate technicalities.
 
There's a quite monstrous hook in what I assume is the chorus that I can imagine a stadium chanting along to - Metallica tease with this, cutting it short, and a 6 and a half minute track seems to rush past in seconds.
 
OK, it's beginning to sound like they're back on form Big%20smile
 
 
/edit:
 
Second listen is interesting - the overall form suddenly makes itself clearer with familiarity: The verses are multi-part edifices (fairly sure they're straight repetitions), and the chorus is a two-parter. Essentially it's an A-B-A-B-C-A-B standard rock song, but Metallica have gone back to their old elongation tricks - especially on the instrumental "C" section, which can easily be broken down into a sectional piece by itself, so that form is just an outline for what is a fairly complex track.
 
As can be divined by this structural approach, the instrumental is what stirs it all up and makes the piece come across as unhinged and twisty - even on second listen, I didn't count how many sections there are in this part, as I was too busy following the flow of the music, and noticing that there are even more subtleties here than I thought on first listen.
 
There are some cool teasing hooks before the solo proper starts, and this is what gives it the animal pouncing feel - it's not slammed into your face, rather I felt it creep up my spine before it sunk its claws in. Then I noticed that Kirk is using some of the same pentatonic chops I used on my recent Thrash Metal demo (that I stole from a Joe Satriani teach-yourself DVD) and burst out laughing... LOL 
 
There are other more innovative parts to this track - but frankly, I'm enjoying it so much that I'm putting analysis on the back-burner for now. Here goes the third listen... but I'll spare this forum any more analysis Embarrassed


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 04 2008 at 06:02
I like the analysis...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 04 2008 at 06:51
You don't get to hear Rubin's production, but here's the song; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzxoMpfNwEM&feature=related
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 19:31
I liked what I heard and I'm pretty sure many fans of their trash era would be happy. It's pretty complex/technical stuff. However, I miss the excellent production of the Black album and Load, plus the drumming is unbelievably terrible and loud.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2008 at 03:02

Today's track from Mission Metallica is "The Judas Kiss", and it's an 8-minuter!

First impressions - there is a strong Priest influence alright - can't quite put my finger on it. Then it's into an exceptionally twisty AJFA style riff - or should I say riff selection. Every now and then dischords ring out, disrupting the flow, and the flow is so continually broken up rythmically that it becomes a natural part of the piece.

This is clearly yet another grower - initially it seems a bit disappointing, like Metallica trying to sound like Metallica, but there's a game plan to this piece that requires several listens (to me, at least!).
 
Kirk delivers some "Tufnell Specials" in the first solo - I'm beginning to feel that if this piece isn't intended to be tongue-in-cheek, then it should be. The second solo again sounds like he's having lots of fun.
 
There are semi-spoken sections that intersperse the extended instrumental that remind me of Enter Sandman, but I'm suddenly feeling that the song is a bit long. I note that I'm currently 7:30 into it, which says something - if it had felt too long at, say, 3:00, then I'd probably have stopped it by now.
 
I'm liking the production much more than the slick jobs of Bob Rock - the rawness is excellent, but does come across as a bit dated. This should please older fans!
 
 
Hmm.
 
I'm not sure I actually said anything here - this song hasn't really "spoken" to me on first listen.
 
Mind you, neither did AJFA. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2008 at 03:07
I believe there's a video of My Apocalypse on their myspace. I like the song quite a lot. And have good expectations for this album, although am a bit put off by the inclusion/writing of Unforgiven III
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