Your expectations on Metallica's "Death Magnetic"
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Topic: Your expectations on Metallica's "Death Magnetic"
Posted By: The T
Subject: Your expectations on Metallica's "Death Magnetic"
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 20:59
The day is finally close when Metallica will release their 9th studio album, Death Magnetic!! (scheduled for a September release) .... They have released a preview in their website (a preview, which lasts like 20 seconds... ).... they have returned to their old logo.... Now if they can release an album halfwaydecent, I'll be very happy... i just hope they don't try to sound "modern".... Anyway, what's "modern" mainstream rock these days? Metallica turned emo-punk? I just hope Hetfield and Ulrich have it in themselves to write decent songs after more than 17 years since their last worthy album. (The black album)...
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 21:01
| Good Lord, my expectations would have to be pretty much zero. if there was a shred of decent music to be found on the record it would be above and beyond. Agree with you completely about the 17 year figure. |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 21:10
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Well, for me, Metallica is beyond being able to redeem themselves. IMO, they haven't done anything good since 1989. I don't care if the album manages to come out even slightly musically reasonable, the fact I have their first 4 albums means they wont be getting any more money off me. Hmm, bog standard riffage, Kirk Hammett abusing the wah wah pedal for the zillionth time "HAY GUISE INSTEAD OF USING IT FOR A MUSICAL FUNCTION, LET'S JUST BOUNCE MY FOOT ON IT RHYTHMICALLY SO THE WAH FILTERING EFFECT CAN MASK MY EXTRMELY SLOPPY LEAD PLAYING", an absolute douch bag of a drummer "HAY I'M LARS ULRICH AND I WANT MORE MUNNY", a raging truck driver-a-like that wrote poems on their last album that even a 3 year could top, means what I'll hear is probably going to leave much to be desired. There has been a lot of this discussion on many other forums, and believe me, the guys on other forums don't have any real expectations for anything good either. ------------- 
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 21:16
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Well at least they did this much good : They managed to get it out before Chinese Democracy and managed to get it out before China becomes a Democracy, which is something Axl Rose will most likely fail at.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 21:41
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HughesJB4 wrote:Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 21:45
| Chinese Democracy = musical equivalent of Duke Nukem Forever. |
Posted By: Statutory-Mike
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 22:51
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I saw an interview with Mike Portnoy and he hopes they make a good album. As for me, I think it will be a let down. ------------- 
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Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 23:13
| Well, it's such a dumb title, but frankly it can't be any worse than St. Anger (MY LIFESTYLE DETERMINES MY DEATHSTYLE!!!). Those little snippets have some good riffs, but that chorus they keep playing ("Bow down/sell you soul to me") doesn't fill me with confidence on the lyrical front. I remember some blog posting about hearing six songs out of the ten and liking four of them. If so, I hope at least two more of the remaining four are good, cause six good songs on an album is good by any standards, though just one will beat out St. Anger. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 23:42
| If you watch any videos of them playing this year. Bonaroo. rock in rio etc. They are all on youtube. You can see that they are still amazing and play the old songs just as good as they used to. maybe even better, but idk abut this new album. There is a 99% chance it will be better than st. anger |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 01:46
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I expect it will make me laugh. Its title is already second place in the making me laugh stakes after Dragonforce's "ULTRA BEATDOWN" so I think the clown car is already in motion. ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 02:27
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Well as a fan of Metallica that has enjoyed all their albums although not so much ReLoad, I think this might be a good album, but it might be bad. I won't know for sure until I hear it.
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 02:57
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That title is godawful, for a start- was that the best they could come up with??
I'm not a massive fan but the first 3 or 4 albums were quite inventive, IMHO- the eponymous one is good but a lot less inventive to my ears. 'St Anger' though I couldn't even get through- that drum sound was just dreadful and seeing that 'lifestyle/deathstyle' lyric again brought back bad memories of that album!
I wouldn't hold my breath- indeed, I doubt many people are.
However, 'Ultra Beatdown'??You have to be kidding me- I didn't know Dragonforce could plumb the depths of stupidity to an even greater level...
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 04:11
Wasn't that the whole point about that album name - announcing an album named "Chinese Democracy", meaning "we will *never* record any album again"?  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 11:53
Maybe that's part of the joke, but I still think that theory is putting more thought into things than the members of GNR ever will.  ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 15:38
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My expectations right now are zero. I've never been a big Metallica fan, but St. Anger was the worst album from an almost-good metal band I've ever heard. Blech...
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 16:15
Hahaha, I don't think this title is nearly as funny. However, I do anticipate that the music will be. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph  
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 16:22
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Yep, my expectations are nil.
I listen to Garage Inc. and I hear a band that can literally play anything they want. Anything. The skill is awesome. And then, here comes St. Anger with nothing to recommend it. Nothing.
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 16:33
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I predict crap honestly...
I only liked Ride the lightning and justice. ------------- 
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 17:58
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I think it might be thiere best album since thiere hay days, yust a feeling i got. ------------- 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 19:21
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Can't be as bad as St. Anger. Metallica aren't unique. Their drummer sucks, their songwriting is bland and their music is almost never interesting. They haven't written a really good song in 15 years. They had their day. Anything they could do a younger band has done better. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 19:31
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I expect nothing from it. To echo others if there's a single decent song I will be surprised. I expect us to here an album of Metallica trying to record another Master of Puppets. Anyway with that said I will almost certainly be buying the album. I hope for a lot more than I expect. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 19:33
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I think it will be reasonable but slightly dull like most metallica. I don't think any boundaries will be pushed it will just be another album. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 19:50
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Now... if it's worse than St Anger... it could achieve legendary status... like Ed Wood movies...
How can a band record MOP or AJFA and then record St Anger or those MTV-friendly songs like "Disappear"? How can MEGADETH, which is as old, still be recording good albums?
The answer lies in Ulrich's ultimate obsession: control and money. And Hetfield's "I-don't-give-a-sh*t" attitude hasn't helped.... but they created MOP and AJFA, so my heart still holds a little hope....
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: June 23 2008 at 10:11
Well there was about 16 between AJFA and St. Anger. Not too mention an incredible amount of problems within the band. Megadeth have always been different from Metallica, yet Mustaine has followed a similar path. Megadeth stopped writing truly thrash songs soon after Metallica's transition from it. Mustaine has also said (recently) how he wishes he had never been stupid and got himself kicked out of the band I'm glad he was because 1. I like Megadeth 2. Kirk Hammet is awesome. I didn't really see what was that wrong with St. Anger. It wasn't great, but it was amazing they were able to put out anything considering the amount of crap they were going through. It was the first time the band had done anything in a truly communal way. There were no guitar solos, but Hammet said he didn't want to solo because he was tired of playing traditional solos at the time. Thats fine. There are still plenty of kick ass, heavy riffs like there have been the past 20+ years. Metallica is no longer and hasn't been a thrash band for nearly two decades. Yet they've still managed to put out some heavy stuff that is very enjoyable (for me). Thats my thought anyways. |
Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: June 23 2008 at 10:43
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Early Metallica always impressed me, and the later albums always had something good in them somewhere, although sometimes admittedly hard to detect, but St.Anger did just waht the title implied: Everytime I played it, it got me VERY angry, but for the wrong reasons: It was abysmal.
So, as I dont believe they can get any worse, the new album just has to be a step up, right?
Oh, and are they getting on again? If so, perhaps this time we'll be in for a DVD not showing their psychiatric antics, but perhaps we can join them on a nice trip to Disneyland.
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Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: June 23 2008 at 12:40
| I posted something about this on another website. I'll try and find it and post it here in a sec... |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: June 23 2008 at 12:43
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The problem with bands like Metallica is that everyone wants to hear Master of Puppets again. Get with it people. That was released 20 years ago. This is a band that has aged and matured. St. Anger had it's moments. So this one should have to.
This album will likely get bad reviews for two reasons. 1. Everyone expects MOP again. 2. Thus far I've read very good things about the songs on this album, therefore everyone will be expecting "old" Metallica and will instantly be let down. Myself, I'm looking forward to a good heavy metal album. Regardless if it's Metallica 1988 or Metallica 2008. \m/ \m/ |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 23 2008 at 14:03
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^ Great sig! Even though Petrucci and Rudess look horrendously ridiculous... -------------
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Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: June 24 2008 at 03:02
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There's a few clips of the new album here: http://www.missionmetallica.com/ - http://www.missionmetallica.com/ Once it's loaded wait for the song clip to play for a second, then click on "Mission: Metallica" on the right hand side (next to the screen). Pretty awesome. The "Suicide, I've already died" and the "Bow down, sell your soul to me" bits sound f**king killer. |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: June 24 2008 at 09:03
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I just hope lars bought a new snare drum.... unless he's too poor from paying his lawyers to sue kids for downloading.
I'm also going to start keeping track of their attempts to gouge fans of money during the promotion of this album.
I bet they don't release any promotional clips longer than 20 seconds (that you don't have to pay for), because most of the revenue on this record will be made from people buying it out of sheer perverse curiosity. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: June 24 2008 at 10:19
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^^ I'm pretty sure a good amount of Lars's snare sound on St. Anger was due to Bob Rock's production signature of using layers upon layers of compression. It was weird at first, but I thought it gave the album a nice raw sound.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 24 2008 at 17:18
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Who am I kidding here... I CAN'T wait for the new album!
And those riffs in missionmetallica.com are good....
All I need is a better album than LOAD.... I don't expect them to go back to MOP or AJFA, not even to the black album... but if they release something better than the first one of the three disasters (which was also the least awful of the three) that will be OK with me... -------------
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: June 24 2008 at 20:50
| Forgot to mention, one thing is certain: I won't be buying it without hearing it first, as I did with St. Anger, unless Best Buy is serving it up as album of the week for $4.99. |
Posted By: Macellarius
Date Posted: June 25 2008 at 02:24
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Zero expectations. After the failure of St Anger there is a possibility of them trying to return to their roots, but it is slim, so very slim, and the road is fraught with danger...
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: June 25 2008 at 20:05
Pretty much what I think too ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 25 2008 at 20:56
im with you on that one! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 25 2008 at 22:58
Both have been previewed in a way, so they're not just rumors anymore. They'll probably be scrapped tho. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 26 2008 at 03:15
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I expect it will be dull and generic, like everything they've released since 1991.
I truly think that Cliff was the creative driving force, as Syd was for Pink Floyd. When he joined the band, they went from being a band with a great new style (the one that Diamond Head should have stuck to), to a world-dominating ensemble. After he died, they became steadily more average - until they became St. Average.
I must say that "Death Magnetic" is the most interesting title they've had since "...and Justice For All". ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: June 26 2008 at 03:34
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Am I the only one here who thinks Load and Reload would have been better received if they hadn't been released under the Metallica name?
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 26 2008 at 12:38
One major disagreement - no matter what , the new album will likely sell by the ton, at least for what passes as a big seller these days (million plus 1  ). No other metal band has the track record, and even St Anger sold well. Maybe better than it deserved. But who knows ... Megadeth, o.k. , Dave Mustaine came back with two great albums after deviating into the mainstream (Youthanasia, Cryptic Writings, Risk), so why not his ex-enenies/compadres. Oh, check out http://youtube.com/watch?v=cjomTQLEwNM&feature=related. Find out why the "Hamster" might be the 3rd best guitarist in the band. P.S. in a semi-related kind of way - Voivod is planning on going back on the road. They are also working on a new album ,again with unfinished work with Piggy. Michel Langevin and surprise - Eric Forest. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 27 2008 at 02:49
I dunno - they're both pretty bland and generic.
I would not have given them a second (or even third or fourth) chance if they had been written by another band. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Kim Ankara
Date Posted: June 27 2008 at 03:09
I agree. Sure, both of them are a bit too filler-packed, but no one here finds Outlaw Torn or Where the Wild Things Are to be interesting songs? ------------- "I'm a dinosaur" - Adrian Belew "I am a camera" - Trevor Horn "I am yourself" - Keith Emerson |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 27 2008 at 03:19
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^ I haven't heard Reload - with the exception of Fuel which is a *great* song. I own Load though, and I must say that I really like it. I don't think that the songs are bland or generic at all ... it's just not really Thrash Metal anymore.
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: June 27 2008 at 03:43
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having read all posts, i have some notes: Cliff gave them the melody, Mustaine the raw thrash frenzy but still Lars and Jamez are excellent composers... ...AJFA, s/t and Load are almost flawless!!! Reload is just Load leftovers... the three things i didn't care for in their entire history are St Anger, that napster thing and Some Kind Of Monster DVD.. now as for their new album, i'm not dying to listen to it.. i don't expect of them to 'reinvent music' much as they did back in the 80's but i will buy it cause i'm a fan... the thing that excites me though is that they will probably play in Greece and i'll be there!!!! ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 27 2008 at 13:48
This is true. But this is the problem:
you mentioned TWO songs.
So my position is this: in MOP and AJFA (and RTL) all songs were good. In the black album, 80% of the album was good, or maybe actually 100%. But:
Load - Ain't My Bitch / 2x4 / The House Jack Built / Until it Sleeps / King Nothing / Mama said / Thorn Within / The Outlaw Torn > that's 8 out of 14... and none of these is really that fantastic.... just OK. (I really like House Jack Built) And, on the other hand, you have Hero of the day or Cure....lows that MEtallica never reached in prevous albums.
Reload - Fuel / The Unforgiven II / Where the Wild Things Are / Low Man's Lyric / The Memory Remains / Devil's Dance > 6 out 13... and none of these really that great... and all the rest are utter crap.
St Anger - ????? (Ok, let's pretend frantic, st anger and another song be good).....
So the albums have really gone down the drain... As I said, the good thing is, after ST Anger, there's no way to go but up...If they manage to go down, it will achieve legendary status as "so bad it's good"... -------------
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: June 27 2008 at 14:07
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Load>The Black Album, the latter of which doesn't really have any great songs. However, The Outlaw Torn and Bleeding Me have to be two of Metallica's finest songs.
Also, I think Fixxxer is one of Metallica's better songs along with The Memory Remains. I can't see the rest of Reload really being any better under another name. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: June 27 2008 at 15:26
Perhaps, but at least it wouldn't be false advertisement. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: June 27 2008 at 16:24
| Though my expectations are not high I think they may try to pull out all the stops on this one to redeem themselves form the abysmal St Anger. Though Load and Reload had their (few) good moments I agree with those who think they haven't released a great album since the Black Album. |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: June 27 2008 at 18:17
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Fuel makes me lol
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: June 30 2008 at 18:11
I see where you're coming from, but it's not just so much everyone wants Master Of Puppets again. I don't want MoP again, nor do I want AJFA, KEA or RTL again. What I want is something that at least makes me think "I can hear something new here". When you've got many metal bands in the last few years and now continuing to push the boundaries of what can be done in metal and pushing boundaries of technique, I know already Metallica wont deliver anything new. I know even if the songs were fairly well written, I wont be blown away by the musicianship, because let's face it Lars is no Mike Portnoy (and given many drummers run rings around Portnoy, Lar's level of ability ain't looking too stunning), I've grown weary of Kirk's predictable soloing style, I don't even remember who the bassist currently is but chances are he doesn't have the genius of Cliff and in general thrash metal, just like many genres of metal just killed itself in terms of producing innovative music because the genres became overflooded with bands that no longer cared about making anything new and instead just going through the motions to make it thrash metal. There is nothing wrong with Thrash metal per se, but nowadays I just prefer to see bits of thrash metal influence in a prog metal band or something like that, rather than listen to a whole album of thrash written in the last few years. For some people well written songs will be enough and that's fine, but for me, I wont be able to justify taking the time to listening to something which is just going to entirely predictable and cliche'. -------------
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: July 01 2008 at 14:24
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is Death Magnetic the best they could come up with? why do older metal bands (DT, Megadeth, Testament, Opeth excluded) try to sound angry and fierce with their titles? you can come up with cool names and not trying to sound tough. is it to make up for the lack of quality?
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: July 09 2008 at 02:49
IMO there's not a duff song on Metallica (The Black Album) - and the chart performance of the singles from that album would seem to underline that, the writing styles are rich and varied, and the album as a whole is progressive in that it pretty much defines everything about modern metal in terms of sound and style.
All the songs are great - in fact, I can't see how anyone could say there aren't any great songs on it, even if you don't like the album! ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: July 09 2008 at 03:24
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wouldn't one's opinion have a rather strong bearing on what defines a 'great song'?
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: July 09 2008 at 15:18
------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
) because let's face it Lars is no Mike Portnoy (and given many drummers run rings around Portnoy, Lar's level of ability ain't looking too stunning),((DB - and Philty Animal Taylor was no Neil Peart, nor is Mikkey Dee for that matter, Steve Adler will never get the guest musician spots that Matt Sorum does, and Phil Collins will never get the percussion reputation that Bill Bruford enjoys. Your point as to how that would affect enjoying a good song ?
I've grown weary of Kirk's predictable soloing style,(DB - he's a shredder, I don't remember reading about any guitarists inventing new scales or notes. Again, so he's not the best out there. Too many metal (in all its' forms) guitarists sound like one another. This hasn't prevented a the better or more popular groups from achieving some success))
I don't even remember who the bassist currently is but chances are he doesn't have the genius of Cliff (DB - He's called Robert Trujillo. He may be one of the best bassists out there. But he fits his playing withing the context of the band - whether it is or was SUicidal Tendencies, Infectious Grooves or Ozzy. You might, or better , should Google "Robert Trujillo Flamenco". Then please list the metal (and other genre) bass players who have exhibited such ability 
)and in general thrash metal, just like many genres of metal just killed itself in terms of producing innovative music because the genres became overflooded with bands that no longer cared about making anything new and instead just going through the motions to make it thrash metal.(DB - sounds like trash metal eventually matured and established enough commonalities to distinguish itself as a genre of its' own. SO it has arrived at a point where changes or advances are incremental. I do believe that PA has had a number of threads on that same "problem" with some the genres included here.
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Date Posted: July 09 2008 at 23:37
Point taken. Load and Reload could've done with being edited to normal album length. But, I'm sure there are loads of people who like the "lesser" songs (Hero of the Day was one of the reasons I bought Load). In my personal opinion, the only songs I would get rid of on Reload are Slither and maybe Bad Seed. St Anger's production is too awful to sit through, regardless of song quality. On topic, I'm vaguely interested in the new album but I won't rush out to buy it. ------------- "I'm a dinosaur" - Adrian Belew "I am a camera" - Trevor Horn "I am yourself" - Keith Emerson |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 08:56
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 09:12
Not necessarily - depends on the criteria you use to determine what makes a great song.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 14:47
But you didn't define those criteria Certif1ed...
 ... So the statement looks vague and rather pretentious.. ..... But of course, we can use criteria which will give us the proof that the Black Album has all great songs (something in which I agree...)
But then, imagine if someone picks the criteria "solos per minute" (just a weird example) or "amount of instrumental sections" or overall speed" .. I know these are lame criteria, but are criteria nevertheless, and using these, the black album's songs wouldn't be that great...
The problem is that there are as many "criteria" to judge things as elements in those things... therefore, we have 230982438234283420 possible criteria.... (we would have to use a factorial expression....
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 14:50
which could also be chalked up to opinion this could shape up to be more fun than a chicken/egg or who created God argument  in all seriousness, the Black Album was my second album by them, and for a time, I LOVED it....there are still a few songs I can listen to, and then some others that I find almost laughable. so basically this is a pedantic argument- the good ol' fashioned Progarchives way -------------
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Posted By: poslednijat_colobar
Date Posted: July 24 2008 at 06:16
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I expect something better than last 3 albums and something worse than first 5 albums.I think after the worst album I've ever heard,St. Anger,they will return to form with this.But it will not be easy.maybe "Death Magnetic" will be moderate,and than there will be a big return-some years later. |
Posted By: poslednijat_colobar
Date Posted: July 24 2008 at 06:18
| I expect something better than last 3 albums and something worse than first 5 albums.I think after the worst album I've ever heard,St. Anger,they will return to form with this.But it will not be easy.maybe "Death Magnetic" will be moderate,and than there will be a big return-some years later. |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 22:52
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Well, I've kinda heard some stuff on youtube on the new album. Wow, just as bland as expected. Obviously not as bad as St Anger (but that's no achievement really ) but meh, wouldn't buy the album. Unless they throw in a free wah-wah pedal-------------
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 05:11
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Apparently a new song is online now. But there is no way in Hell I am pausing Type O Negative to listen to it.
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 05:24
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I'm not pausing Beirut for it, either.
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 05:36
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i expect it to get on progarchives and get the same treatment as scarsick ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 05:48
I don't wanna know. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 06:06
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Well I'm still upset about St. Anger. I only bought it cause they promoted they were returning to their metal roots ... Just felt duped, can't really forgive them for that. I'm sure I'll hear enough of it without seeking it out. |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 06:10
Let me make a prediction: This entire process around Death Magnetic is eventually going to result in Dave Mustaine laughing his ass off. 
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Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 06:15
| ^ Right on! I fear the worst. |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 06:27
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Hopefully better than St. Anger (which was a pretty good album, just crappy sounding drums). "Death is not the end" is Awesome! |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 08:44
I actually think St. Anger is a very good album. Load and ReLoad as well are good releases in my book. I'll surely buy their new album although my expectations aren't skyhigh. I hope it will be good though, if not excellent. I'll look out for some samples soon ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: superprog
Date Posted: August 13 2008 at 05:51
 ST Anger = good album??? did u see the dvd that was tacked on? horrible sound horrible songs but yes 1 or 2 songs were side-splittingly hilarious but the rest were nails-across-chalkboard-headache inducing ahahahaha................even Striborg has better sound than that!!!
hahha its the funniest and worst album i've ever heard, almost!!!!
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: August 13 2008 at 07:11
I agree. I don't know why, but I feel the same. ------------- |
Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: August 14 2008 at 03:35
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Jeez, have you guys registerd the hype surrounding this release? It actually makes me sick! These guys are nothing but money grabbing b*****ds who somehow seem to be able to trick everyone into believing that they've got some credibility left. HTF do they do it? Is everyone THAT thick? Before seeing the hype I was trying to be open-minded, but those a..holes have shut the lid on that! |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: August 14 2008 at 03:36
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^Partly why Metallica will never receive another cent from me. I After buying their first 4 albums, I felt that was enough. -------------
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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: August 14 2008 at 04:17
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This discussion just made me re-listen to St.Anger, and I actually got through three tracks before giving up.
What IS that instrument that Lars Ulrich is playing? Sure as hell not a drum kit, I'm pretty certain I hear trinidad steel drums instead.
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: August 16 2008 at 11:22
I think St. Anger would have been better had they used a mellotron. 
------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: August 23 2008 at 16:20
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My expectations are high. I liked St. Anger very much, as well as Load and ReLoad. It was an unique, innovative album, not in terms of composition, but on unique production (no matter you like it or not, you have to admit it is unique). They had some rocking good riffs, but they lacked solos. It was a decent 3 star album, though. Not a disaster at all, as many people say.
Anyway, as a die hard fan who has their whole discography, I hope they come back to their roots with Death Magnetic. The repercutions on what can be heard from now are high.
Here you got one of their new songs, The Day That Never Comes:
http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=601119 - http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=601119
Can't wait for the new album! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Barla/?chartstyle=LastfmMyspace">  
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: August 23 2008 at 17:23
I took a listen to that song. I don't know about you, but it seems to me like a poser band trying to be Metallica, and consciously trying to make a song with the same structure as "One" (it even has the qucik triplet 16th notes on the bass drum).
If Death Magnetic sounds like Metallica trying to be Metallica, then I'm not so sure I'm interested. ------------- 
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: August 23 2008 at 17:23
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Who is Metalika?
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: August 24 2008 at 01:21
Who is this elusive band? -------------
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Posted By: faceofdoomness
Date Posted: August 24 2008 at 02:03
Metallica's Siamese-Twin that now lives somewhere in Guam. O_o But I'm not so excited about their new release.. I mean not only has their sound become somewhat unbearable to listen to, the album title just makes Metallica (apparently the father of Thrash Metal) seem like a Metal-Wanna-Be band. And don't get me wrong. I like Metallca. Especially their "Ride the Lightning" and "Master of Puppets." But lately, as everyone knows, they have been declining... ------------- "To fully appreciate Music, one must have an open mind." -Someone... |
Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: August 24 2008 at 16:43
It sounded good to my ears, at first hearing it seemed like Justice and Load. And for those who hate St.Anger, at least this song is definitely different from that album.
There's also another song going around, Cyanide. It's played live in Youtube. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Barla/?chartstyle=LastfmMyspace">
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: August 24 2008 at 17:00
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i recently heard their new song in good quality, and it actually sparked my interest. they'll never be the band they were, and cant come up with good song titles to save their lives, but it's good to see they're trying to be good again
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 01:49
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Here is an early review
http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/metallicas-death-magnetic-the-track-by-track-guide-171254 - http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/metallicas-death-magnetic-the-track-by-track-guide-171254
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: September 02 2008 at 04:42
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Tickets went on sale this morning to two big Metallica gigs to promote the new album.
As the album is touted as a return to 1980s form, the tickets are at 1980s prices - £5!!!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/aug/22/metallica.five.quid.gig - http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/aug/22/metallica.five.quid.gig
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 03 2008 at 01:22
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guess what a friend of mine gave me a copy of tonight. that's all Im going to say for the time being... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: September 03 2008 at 07:01
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As a "Platinum" fan club member, I got an official copy of "My Apocalypse" today.
The wma is of surprisingly low quality, as it's volume boosted to distortion point, which makes it very difficult to listen to. I don't want to seem ungrateful for a free music file - but I would have thought that Metallica could provide something that shows off Rick Rubin's production rather than obfuscates it.
The song blisters past - it does indeed sound like 1980s Metallica. On first listen, it actually sounds like 2008 Metallica trying to sound like 1988 Metallica.
On second listen, some of the crispness, transparency and depth of Rubin's production makes itself apparent, and it's this that loses some of the rawness of old Metallica.
There's some interesting stuff going on in the composition, but in these days where poly-rhythms, odd time signatures, unusual harmonies and experimental approaches abound, it does seem a bit tame and dated.
The ...And Justice style changes and breakdowns are cool - and with this production, it's a bit like hearing a Justice track the way it was meant to be, except with the pace and aggression of "Damage Inc." - and there's more going on than met my first listen, just like in the old days, so this is going to take a few more listens to sink in.
I've got the vinyl package on order - here's hoping that won't be over-boosted.
It's an overdue but welcome return to form after the last 3 disasters. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: September 03 2008 at 18:57
Am I the only one who thought My Apocalypse sounded like Slayer? It's great stuff! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Barla/?chartstyle=LastfmMyspace">
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 03 2008 at 22:24
basically, the entire album has many intricacies that take many listens to hear and fully understand. Even a few prog moments 
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: September 03 2008 at 22:43
Then perhaps I'm game this time around...hell, I bought the latest Priest album...
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 03 2008 at 22:46
ya ive listened to it twice straight through with no reason to turn it off or think it was crap. In fact, it is probably their best since AJFA. They finally found their thing. Combining the best elements of their thrash days, and their post-Black Album days, and with very good effect. I will no doubt buy it when it comes out. And I did not say that before St Anger came out... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: September 03 2008 at 23:02
Damn, y'all are making me revise my 'will never buy another Metallica album' stance I took upon hearing St. Anger
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 03 2008 at 23:08
yea i am not joking at all. it's good that they play in standard tuning again, screw that drop C bull! in fact, i will probably listen to the whole album again before i go to sleep. btw in case you didnt know, the album contains the first Metallica instrumental since AJFA and it kicks a lotta ass! Also the 2nd track is one of the heaviest songs I've ever heard ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 02:48
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Well, I'm sticking with the official route, and I got another track from "Mission Metallica" this morning - it's called "Cyanide", and it's kickass, to coin a phrase!
Again, it sounds like "Justice...." era, but it's closer to Garage Days Revisited in style somehow, despite not being a cover. This time the wma is better quality and doesn't distort too badly. The production is superb, providing a really sharp metallic edge. Metallica have gone for a real multi-change approach here, and the track twists and turns with pinpoint brutal logic - somehow everything is forged from a single idea, which is just the way I like it, and yet they seem to have the rock and roll immediacy that characterises all their early albums. It's a bit more convoluted than "Kill 'Em All" or "Ride the Lightning", but that's no bad thing - this is another grower.
It's hard to be more specific about what it sounds like - there's an instant accessibility about it, yet all the textural and rhythm changes cloak it in mystery. There aren't any "hard" technical challenges here, but that's not the point. This is still a piece that would be difficult to write - you wouldn't imagine any other band writing this way. It's kinda like the Genesis approach, where the whole is greater than the parts. Even Kirk's solo seems to spring out like a predatory animal that's been waiting to pounce at the right moment, and snarls a primaeval message, rather than bothering with intricate technicalities.
There's a quite monstrous hook in what I assume is the chorus that I can imagine a stadium chanting along to - Metallica tease with this, cutting it short, and a 6 and a half minute track seems to rush past in seconds.
OK, it's beginning to sound like they're back on form
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Second listen is interesting - the overall form suddenly makes itself clearer with familiarity: The verses are multi-part edifices (fairly sure they're straight repetitions), and the chorus is a two-parter. Essentially it's an A-B-A-B-C-A-B standard rock song, but Metallica have gone back to their old elongation tricks - especially on the instrumental "C" section, which can easily be broken down into a sectional piece by itself, so that form is just an outline for what is a fairly complex track.
As can be divined by this structural approach, the instrumental is what stirs it all up and makes the piece come across as unhinged and twisty - even on second listen, I didn't count how many sections there are in this part, as I was too busy following the flow of the music, and noticing that there are even more subtleties here than I thought on first listen.
There are some cool teasing hooks before the solo proper starts, and this is what gives it the animal pouncing feel - it's not slammed into your face, rather I felt it creep up my spine before it sunk its claws in. Then I noticed that Kirk is using some of the same pentatonic chops I used on my recent Thrash Metal demo (that I stole from a Joe Satriani teach-yourself DVD) and burst out laughing...
There are other more innovative parts to this track - but frankly, I'm enjoying it so much that I'm putting analysis on the back-burner for now. Here goes the third listen... but I'll spare this forum any more analysis  ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 06:02
| I like the analysis... |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 06:51
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You don't get to hear Rubin's production, but here's the song; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzxoMpfNwEM&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzxoMpfNwEM&feature=related
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Posted By: Zitro
Date Posted: September 06 2008 at 19:31
| I liked what I heard and I'm pretty sure many fans of their trash era would be happy. It's pretty complex/technical stuff. However, I miss the excellent production of the Black album and Load, plus the drumming is unbelievably terrible and loud. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: September 08 2008 at 03:02
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Today's track from Mission Metallica is "The Judas Kiss", and it's an 8-minuter! First impressions - there is a strong Priest influence alright - can't quite put my finger on it. Then it's into an exceptionally twisty AJFA style riff - or should I say riff selection. Every now and then dischords ring out, disrupting the flow, and the flow is so continually broken up rythmically that it becomes a natural part of the piece. This is clearly yet another grower - initially it seems a bit disappointing, like Metallica trying to sound like Metallica, but there's a game plan to this piece that requires several listens (to me, at least!).
Kirk delivers some "Tufnell Specials" in the first solo - I'm beginning to feel that if this piece isn't intended to be tongue-in-cheek, then it should be. The second solo again sounds like he's having lots of fun.
There are semi-spoken sections that intersperse the extended instrumental that remind me of Enter Sandman, but I'm suddenly feeling that the song is a bit long. I note that I'm currently 7:30 into it, which says something - if it had felt too long at, say, 3:00, then I'd probably have stopped it by now.
I'm liking the production much more than the slick jobs of Bob Rock - the rawness is excellent, but does come across as a bit dated. This should please older fans!
Hmm.
I'm not sure I actually said anything here - this song hasn't really "spoken" to me on first listen.
Mind you, neither did AJFA. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: September 08 2008 at 03:07
| I believe there's a video of My Apocalypse on their myspace. I like the song quite a lot. And have good expectations for this album, although am a bit put off by the inclusion/writing of Unforgiven III |