Brutal/loud/nasty music that rules.

BaldJean wrote: if a band sings about how they would like to mutilate, kill and eat people, it would certainly be worse if they meant it, don't you agree? and maybe I am just a softie, but if it is meant humorous, it doesn't appeal to my kind of humor

Only a very small percentage of all brutal metal/hardcore bands are actually promoting aggression and violence in their lyrics - rather the reverse. And I think that virtually no *progressive* brutal metal/hardcore band promotes violence. Of course you have to analyze the lyrics as carefully as you would normal prog lyrics ...

When I see all these bands with symbols of inverted crosses on their albums it does become a bit disturbing. The one member of the band Deicide even has an upside down cross carved on his forehead. I´m not even a Christian and I still find it disturbing. Another bizarre thing is that they only seem to attack Christianity but don´t seem to have the balls to attack other religions like Islam probably because of fear of what will happen to them.

Imagine a Prog band with a vocalist with a carved Inverted Cross on his forehead 

Manunkind wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: BaldJean wrote: if a band sings about how they would like to mutilate, kill and eat people, it would certainly be worse if they meant it, don't you agree? and maybe I am just a softie, but if it is meant humorous, it doesn't appeal to my kind of humor Only a very small percentage of all brutal metal/hardcore bands are actually promoting aggression and violence in their lyrics - rather the reverse. And I think that virtually no *progressive* brutal metal/hardcore band promotes violence. Of course you have to analyze the lyrics as carefully as you would normal prog lyrics ... Whether the majority passively promotes aggression or not is open to debate - let's put it this way, rather: whenever I pass someone in an extreme metal t-shirt, the thought of being robbed or assaulted by that person never crosses my mind. And just as with any other genre, the characters of extreme metal musicians vary - from madmen like Euronymous (R. I. P.) to open, friendly and good-natured people like the musicians of Cannibal Corpse, Krisiun, extreme metal drummers like Derek Roddy, Tony Laureano and Flo Mounier or the late Dimebag Darrell (R. I. P.) of Pantera and Damageplan fame.

Then the maidens draw their chainsaws and rip the guts first out of the lambs and then out of each other, yes.

but seriously: if these songs are NOT about aggression and violence, then there is a serious dichotomy between the music and the lyrics.

John Coltrane's "Ascension"... what's so 'ascension-like' about a bunch of guys basically spitting their lungs through their horns and trumpets and the piano/bass/drums section whacking the hell out of their instruments... even if it is supremely logical from the structural point of view. In the top ten of the most aggressive albums ever, and yet it's called "Ascension". And it's hardly the only spiritually-inclined aggressive album.

I love that album, BTW, it's as brutal as a lick from one of those million-kilometer flames pouring out of the sun and intensely spiritual as well.

I must admit what mostly annoys me about this brutal music is something completely different which may have to do with modern production methods. even when the music is at its loudest, it all seems wonderfully clean and not "dirty" at all. I much prefer the "muddy" sound of earlier productions. I just don't like a bass that is hard and heavy and sounds as if it just came from a dry-cleaner

OK.

Manunkind wrote: John Coltrane's "Ascension"... what's so 'ascension-like' about a bunch of guys basically spitting their lungs through their horns and trumpets and the piano/bass/drums section whacking the hell out of their instruments... even if it is supremely logical from the structural point of view. In the top ten of the most aggressive albums ever, and yet it's called "Ascension". And it's hardly the only spiritually-inclined aggressive album. I love that album, BTW, it's as brutal as a lick from one of those million-kilometer flames pouring out of the sun and intensely spiritual as well.

"Ascension" does not necessarily mean "Ascension to Heaven"; Coltrane may just as well describe the toil and labor of ascending a very steep mountain

BaldJean wrote: Manunkind wrote: John Coltrane's "Ascension"... what's so 'ascension-like' about a bunch of guys basically spitting their lungs through their horns and trumpets and the piano/bass/drums section whacking the hell out of their instruments... even if it is supremely logical from the structural point of view. In the top ten of the most aggressive albums ever, and yet it's called "Ascension". And it's hardly the only spiritually-inclined aggressive album. I love that album, BTW, it's as brutal as a lick from one of those million-kilometer flames pouring out of the sun and intensely spiritual as well. "Ascension" does not necessarily mean "Ascension to Heaven"; Coltrane may just as well describe the toil and labor of ascending a very steep mountain

... at the top of which there is release - not that the release was significantly different from the ascension itself.