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gbi.bytos
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Posted: October 04 2005 at 15:47 |
I've just read the first post, and, without having read the others, I just want to reply.
I'm 20.
I played the guitar for some years now - because it seems to DT15 that playing of an instrument gives you the right to protest.
My favorite bands are: IQ, Marillion, Arena, Pendragon, Genesis, Camel, Pink Floyd. And, Dream Theater.
Tell me - the first time I heard "Close to the edge", I felt that I didn't understand anything of that music. It was like that for "A change of season too".
Petrucci considers Steve Howe as his master.
Lately, having been to a Dream Theater concert in Paris, I heard the band play "Heart of the sunrise" as an encore. Oh, Rothery and Hogarth, from Marillion, shall I precise, have been long-time friends with Portnoy and Petrucci.
The list could be long, I guess.
I would just say some last words. If Genesis, Yes, and King Crimson had not been there, there wouldn't have been a Dream Theater. That is not even a reason to call those early bands "oldies".
Sorry if I'm intolerant with your thoughts... I happen to be someone who knows how to appreciate all that music - if you don't like it, don't listen to it. Let's say I need at least 3 or 4 month to discover an album in its entirety...
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Pseud0
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Posted: October 04 2005 at 15:47 |
dt15 fails at life
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yesman72
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Posted: October 04 2005 at 16:05 |
I'm studying music in college and have been a musician for 8 years. Even though I think Dream Theater and Yes are both great for me I'll always choose Yes. Personally I don't see how a Dream Theater fan could bash Yes. Dream Theater have named Yes as one of their main influences and they also covered Yes songs on occasion.
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horza
Prog Reviewer
Joined: August 31 2005
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: October 04 2005 at 16:11 |
gbi.bytos wrote:
I've just read the first post, and, without having read the others, I just want to reply.
I'm 20.
I played the guitar for some years now - because it seems to DT15 that playing of an instrument gives you the right to protest.
My favorite bands are: IQ, Marillion, Arena, Pendragon, Genesis, Camel, Pink Floyd. And, Dream Theater.
Tell me - the first time I heard "Close to the edge", I felt that I didn't understand anything of that music. It was like that for "A change of season too".
Petrucci considers Steve Howe as his master.
Lately, having been to a Dream Theater concert in Paris, I heard the band play "Heart of the sunrise" as an encore. Oh, Rothery and Hogarth, from Marillion, shall I precise, have been long-time friends with Portnoy and Petrucci.
The list could be long, I guess.
I would just say some last words. If Genesis, Yes, and King Crimson had not been there, there wouldn't have been a Dream Theater. That is not even a reason to call those early bands "oldies".
Sorry if I'm intolerant with your thoughts... I happen to be someone who knows how to appreciate all that music - if you don't like it, don't listen to it. Let's say I need at least 3 or 4 month to discover an album in its entirety... |
i agree
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Cinema
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Joined: August 25 2004
Location: United States
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Posted: October 04 2005 at 16:32 |
DT15 wrote:
Sharier, once again, of course I gave the albums one
star to make myself heard. I already explained that. and once more, I will
be sharing with you my real reviews now that I have your attention. If 3
people would like to hear my real reviews then I will write them up and
post them. But which album do you want me to review. I'd prefer to
review Yes' close the the edge, but it's up to you.
Steve |
DT15, do you think you can be any more egotistical or immature than you
seem to be? With statements like, "... now that I have your attention," and
"... to make myself heard," I'm pretty sure you haven't done a really good
job of gaining the respect of people on this site. And who cares whether
you're a musician. What does that have to do with anything? I too am a
musician ... a drummer for nearly 30 years ... and I HATE Dream Theater.
Being a musician, whether novice or pro, good or bad, has absolutely
nothing to do with one's musical likes and dislikes. Nor does it qualify
you in any way, shape, or form to say one style of music is good while
another style bad.
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lunaticviolist
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Joined: January 17 2005
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Posted: October 04 2005 at 16:35 |
I can't believe this topic is 5 pages long! Can't we all just get along?!
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bluetailfly
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Joined: January 28 2005
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Points: 1383
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Posted: October 04 2005 at 16:40 |
I am thinking of doing an experiment:
Sitting in a room with a 5-CD changer and listening to Big Generater, Talk, Union, and Open Your Eyes over and over for 16 hours straight.
Do you think this will make me like these albums more or dislike them more than I already do?
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"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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yargh
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Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:01 |
"Sitting in a room with a 5-CD changer and listening to Big Generater, Talk, Union, and Open Your Eyes over and over for 16 hours straight."
If you do that and live to tell about it, you're a better man than me! The idea of playing Talk, Union and Open Your Eyes (No serious problems with BG here) for 16 straight hours is one of the most painful methods of suicide that I can envision.
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OldFatherThames
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Joined: April 02 2005
Location: Canada
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Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:14 |
gbi.bytos wrote:
I've just read the first post, and, without having read the others, I just want to reply.
I'm 20.
I played the guitar for some years now - because it seems to DT15 that playing of an instrument gives you the right to protest.
My favorite bands are: IQ, Marillion, Arena, Pendragon, Genesis, Camel, Pink Floyd. And, Dream Theater.
Tell me - the first time I heard "Close to the edge", I felt that I didn't understand anything of that music. It was like that for "A change of season too".
Petrucci considers Steve Howe as his master.
Lately, having been to a Dream Theater concert in Paris, I heard the band play "Heart of the sunrise" as an encore. Oh, Rothery and Hogarth, from Marillion, shall I precise, have been long-time friends with Portnoy and Petrucci.
The list could be long, I guess.
I would just say some last words. If Genesis, Yes, and King Crimson had not been there, there wouldn't have been a Dream Theater. That is not even a reason to call those early bands "oldies".
Sorry if I'm intolerant with your thoughts... I happen to be someone who knows how to appreciate all that music - if you don't like it, don't listen to it. Let's say I need at least 3 or 4 month to discover an album in its entirety...
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I think he's got a great point ! You absolutely love a band that absolutely love a band that you think is almost crap and oldies !! Even if your idol love and is inspire by Howe, how can you say Yes are bad ! And if you say so, then how can you explain your "idol" (maybe not, but someone your like a lot) love Howe !! You make no sense DT.
And yes, DT love Yes, tour with them, are inspire by them, play cover of them live, and listen to them...
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richardh
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Joined: February 18 2004
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:31 |
DT15 wrote:
I am sick and tired of listening to you old folk talk about how you don't enjoy quality acts such as Dream Theater. One reviewer said it's not to his taste...ok then that's fine. So let me have my say now. If i want to fall asleep or have a good laugh, I'll listen to Yes or Genesis or Pink Floyd (etc). C'mon you oldies...this music is not as great as you all say it is. I am a 25 year old bachelor of music composition graduate and have been playing the keyboard, guitar and drums for a little over 10 yrs, so I AM a musician, unlike most of you. But instead of going into a lengthy essay about why this music is just plain boring, I'll just do what so many of you people do and say 'it's not to my taste'. So there you have it, I voiced my opinion and I don't care if you don't care but I am honest to God when I say that crappy old school prog rock bores me to tears and no matter how many times I listen to Yes' 'Close to the Edge', I will never understand why you guys get boners over it. The music is nothing earth shattering. But it's fine, if you oldies get so excited and this sorta stuff makes your hair stand up...well that's fine...but seriously now, just make sure you know there are educated musicians like myself who simply find it all boring.
Steve.
PS: I posted this on the front page but I guess no one reads it.
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We should enjoy whatever we want to.If you narrow your own music listening you are only 'cutting off your nose to spite your own face'.Utterly pointless but at the end of the day its no skin off my nose so it matters not.
btw I've got several DT albums and have seen them live twice so I guess I like them.But if others don't that is their business.
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NegativeTrend
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Posted: October 04 2005 at 18:01 |
Heh, someone is a little disrespectful to the music that gave birth to Dream Theater and all those other "Prog Metal" bands.
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el böthy
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Joined: April 27 2005
Location: Argentina
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Posted: October 04 2005 at 18:11 |
Must there always be a newie with this stupid opinions?...ok, yes...whatever, Dream Theater is thousend times better than KC, Yes and Genesis all together...is that what you want to hear?
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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The Miracle
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Joined: May 29 2005
Location: hell
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Posted: October 04 2005 at 18:12 |
Wow, you're ignorant I LOVE Dream Theater, and Pain Of Salvation, and Opeth but classic prog is the best... They influenced DT. If it wasn't for Yes and Genesis, there would be no Dream Theater. DT will never make anything nearly as great or influential as CTTE. Or Foxtrot. The other thing is that you probably just can't get into them, but that's something I would be ashamed of, not announce it publicly. And to your knowledge, most educated musicians respect and accredit the classics. Ask any member of Dream Theater what they think of classic prog. Mike said on the 5 Years In A LIVEtime DVD that "One of our main influences is Yes"... I can hear Yes, Genesis, and Pink Floyd in DT's music. For example, the intro to Octavarium is a tribute to Shine on. Try to imagine Dream Theater without any classic prog influences. I can't. Because there would be no DT. You make an impression of an ignorant, close minded person. So think about it.
fin.
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The Ryan
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Posted: October 04 2005 at 19:36 |
The Miracle wrote:
Wow, you're ignorant I LOVE Dream Theater, and Pain Of Salvation, and Opeth but classic prog is the best... They influenced DT. If it wasn't for Yes and Genesis, there would be no Dream Theater. DT will never make anything nearly as great or influential as CTTE. Or Foxtrot. The other thing is that you probably just can't get into them, but that's something I would be ashamed of, not announce it publicly. And to your knowledge, most educated musicians respect and accredit the classics. Ask any member of Dream Theater what they think of classic prog. Mike said on the 5 Years In A LIVEtime DVD that "One of our main influences is Yes"... I can hear Yes, Genesis, and Pink Floyd in DT's music. For example, the intro to Octavarium is a tribute to Shine on. Try to imagine Dream Theater without any classic prog influences. I can't. Because there would be no DT. You make an impression of an ignorant, close minded person. So think about it.
fin.
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There's no reason for anyone to argue in this topic anymore.
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The Miracle
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Posted: October 04 2005 at 19:53 |
I know I'm a genius
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Scrambled_Eggs
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Location: United States
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Posted: October 04 2005 at 20:01 |
People can argue that Yes is better than DT or DT is better than Yes, but at the end of the day it all comes down to taste. Besides, we all know the most technically brilliant band is the Sex Pistols.
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And I am not frightened of dying, any time will do, I
don't mind. Why should I be frightened of dying?
There's no reason for it, you've gotta go sometime.
I never said I was frightened of dying.
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Ofur
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Posted: October 04 2005 at 20:07 |
I guess I can't blame anyone for thinking DT15 is me, I almost pissed my pants when I read this thread, it sounds exactly like one of my rants.
DT15 get your own writing style!
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FragileDT
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Posted: October 04 2005 at 20:16 |
bluetailfly wrote:
I am thinking of doing an experiment:
Sitting in a room with a 5-CD changer and listening to Big Generater,
Talk, Union, and Open Your Eyes over and over for 16 hours straight.
Do you think this will make me like these albums more or dislike them
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I think you might be pushing it. Anything would sound good after those
repulsive albums.
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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
Of integrity
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Posted: October 04 2005 at 21:25 |
DT15 wrote:
I am sick and tired of listening to you old folk talk about how you don't enjoy quality acts such as Dream Theater. One reviewer said it's not to his taste...ok then that's fine. So let me have my say now. If i want to fall asleep or have a good laugh, I'll listen to Yes or Genesis or Pink Floyd (etc). C'mon you oldies...this music is not as great as you all say it is. I am a 25 year old bachelor of music composition graduate and have been playing the keyboard, guitar and drums for a little over 10 yrs, so I AM a musician, unlike most of you. But instead of going into a lengthy essay about why this music is just plain boring, I'll just do what so many of you people do and say 'it's not to my taste'. So there you have it, I voiced my opinion and I don't care if you don't care but I am honest to God when I say that crappy old school prog rock bores me to tears and no matter how many times I listen to Yes' 'Close to the Edge', I will never understand why you guys get boners over it. The music is nothing earth shattering. But it's fine, if you oldies get so excited and this sorta stuff makes your hair stand up...well that's fine...but seriously now, just make sure you know there are educated musicians like myself who simply find it all boring.
Steve.
PS: I posted this on the front page but I guess no one reads it.
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I'm wondering if you have ever tried having an open mind when it came to music. I suggest you give it another chance if you don't like, you may surprise yourself, the more you listen to a song or band that is prog, the more you will like it, 99% of the time atleast.
Edited by RustyBlues
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Gabzs
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Posted: October 04 2005 at 22:24 |
DT15 wrote:
I am sick and tired of listening to you old folk talk about how you don't enjoy quality acts such as Dream Theater. One reviewer said it's not to his taste...ok then that's fine. So let me have my say now. If i want to fall asleep or have a good laugh, I'll listen to Yes or Genesis or Pink Floyd (etc). C'mon you oldies...this music is not as great as you all say it is. I am a 25 year old bachelor of music composition graduate and have been playing the keyboard, guitar and drums for a little over 10 yrs, so I AM a musician, unlike most of you. But instead of going into a lengthy essay about why this music is just plain boring, I'll just do what so many of you people do and say 'it's not to my taste'. So there you have it, I voiced my opinion and I don't care if you don't care but I am honest to God when I say that crappy old school prog rock bores me to tears and no matter how many times I listen to Yes' 'Close to the Edge', I will never understand why you guys get boners over it. The music is nothing earth shattering. But it's fine, if you oldies get so excited and this sorta stuff makes your hair stand up...well that's fine...but seriously now, just make sure you know there are educated musicians like myself who simply find it all boring.
Steve.
PS: I posted this on the front page but I guess no one reads it. | | |
WELL I HOPE IT'S A JOKE!!!!
Hey man, please, I cannot understand, please, help us to be glad because, WOOW. What you said , it's like to me, if you were saying that Beatles and King Crimson are nothing!!!
HEY PLEASE WAKE UP!!! YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU ARE A REAL MUSICIAN!!! PROVE IT!!!!
You know!!! hey WOOW, I thing that GOD will punish you in heaven! Hey, close to the Edge REVEAL ALL THE POWER AND THE MAGIC OF THE PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!!
And if you are saying all this just because this music do not match with you're style, it is sure that you lie at yourself man! A good musician it supposes to be open to anything! And it suppose to see a good work as YES HAD DONE WITH CLOSE TO THE EDGE!!!
Try to tell us that Siberian Khatru is not a excellent moving and "energy giver" song? Try to tell us that And you And I is not a fabulous travel of the total humains emotions of love? AFTER ALL TRY TO MAKE US BELIEVE THAT CLOSE TO THE EDGE DO NOT OWN ALL THESE FACT!!!!
Good luck, but I know that, somewhere, you were not just!!! I don't know where and why, but I know, I know...
And do you know what?? THE WORST IN ALL THIS STORY, IT IS YOU!!! BECAUSE, BY ACTING LIKE THIS, YOU ARE PRIVING YOURSELF OF ONE OF THE MOST HEALTHY MUSIC IN THE WORLD THAT I KOWN!!! YES, i mean HEALTHY!!! The groupe YES is like a friend for us! By their music, they tell us to continu to fight for new idea in our world, well, YES is a HOPE GIVER!!!
Thing how you what, but remember that YOU are the worst after all!
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Yes, King Crim, Hammill, Van Der Graaf and all the gagn show the way!!!
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