Yes: Cure for the Insomniac!
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Topic: Yes: Cure for the Insomniac!
Posted By: DT15
Subject: Yes: Cure for the Insomniac!
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 08:37
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I am sick and tired of listening to you old folk talk about how you don't enjoy quality acts such as Dream Theater. One reviewer said it's not to his taste...ok then that's fine. So let me have my say now. If i want to fall asleep or have a good laugh, I'll listen to Yes or Genesis or Pink Floyd (etc). C'mon you oldies...this music is not as great as you all say it is. I am a 25 year old bachelor of music composition graduate and have been playing the keyboard, guitar and drums for a little over 10 yrs, so I AM a musician, unlike most of you. But instead of going into a lengthy essay about why this music is just plain boring, I'll just do what so many of you people do and say 'it's not to my taste'. So there you have it, I voiced my opinion and I don't care if you don't care but I am honest to God when I say that crappy old school prog rock bores me to tears and no matter how many times I listen to Yes' 'Close to the Edge', I will never understand why you guys get boners over it. The music is nothing earth shattering. But it's fine, if you oldies get so excited and this sorta stuff makes your hair stand up...well that's fine...but seriously now, just make sure you know there are educated musicians like myself who simply find it all boring.
PS: I posted this on the front page but I guess no one reads it. |
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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 08:40
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you are 25 year old and you react like a child my friend! now go back to your room and learn to listen to properly the classics of the genre! Amen!!!
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 08:40
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Hello DT15 I've just posted your review of Foxtrot in a thread. Would you like to take this opportunity to elaborate on what you think of albums such as Foxtrot, Close to the Edge etc. Perhaps you'd also like to state why you think Dream Theater are so good. I'm not saying they're not, It's just better grounds for discussion if you actually say why you do or do not like something. Andy ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: DT15
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 08:43
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Thx for the mature reply Blacksword. In reply to Phillpe, I thought it was obvious I was overreating to gain a response. Blacksword, I have written many lenghty essays about Dream Theater and other proficiently advanced bands such as Liquid Tension Experiment. I will post them shortly. I will also gladly elaborate why I find yes and genesis and pink floyd and jethro tull, etc boring. Give me a second please. Thx |
Posted By: Sharier
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 08:49
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I would have seriously considered your opinion-- IF you only limited
your opinion here in this post. But no-- to make yourself heard, you
gave Foxtrot and Close to the Edge 1 star (so that everyone can see it
in the Prog arch home page) and wrote the same garbage. You think you
are the only musician in the forum? I am a musician myself and I bet at
least 10 percent members of the forum are musicians. Hey nobody asked you to like Yes or Genesis. You make your choice and don't get in my way. I will not try to attack your taste-- but I can spew venoms too on your taste if you get in my way. |
Posted By: DT15
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 08:52
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Sharier, once again, of course I gave the albums one star to make myself heard. I already explained that. and once more, I will be sharing with you my real reviews now that I have your attention. If 3 people would like to hear my real reviews then I will write them up and post them. But which album do you want me to review. I'd prefer to review Yes' close the the edge, but it's up to you. Steve |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 08:58
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DT15, Welcome to the site. Just to be clear though, it is no acceptable for you to "make yourself heard" by ignoring the sites rules. Your reviews have been removed. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:04
I'll say what I said in Blackswords thread about this crap. You wasted valuable review space and ignored the review guidelines to grab attention and because you wanted to see it on the front page!!!!! If you would have used the forum people would have trounced you and the thread would have quickly been buried by more interesting topics. Don't waste your time writing more reviews because you lost all credibility,and I don't care what you have to say. Welcome to the forum,what a way to make a first impression on your first day!!!!!
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Posted By: DT15
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:07
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quote: (sorry i lost it when the topic got closed):I'm jumping up and down in anticipation waiting for an essay from a REAL musician to tell me where I have been going wrong all these years. You are very thoughtful. I am obviously not telling you that you have been going wrong all these years. I hope that post was a joke. I am merely going to discuss the musical attributes of a particular album and then evaluate it based on musical analysis. Im sorry if I upset any of you. I didn't know you all took everything you read on the internet so seriously. My reviews are deleted now (obviously giong to happen), so I hope you still want to read my real review unless you've spit the dummy.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:07
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Why would anyone want to come onto a forum and spend your first day here alienating half the people here,without getting to know people,having some discussions and participating a little bit first?
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Posted By: Under
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:07
I cannot wait to read your reviews. I think I cancel my plans for the weekend. What a joy. Let me think. I would kindly ask you to review something of VDGG, something of IQ, something of Italiian prog and of course all the albums of Dream Theater.
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Posted By: DT15
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:11
Sorry if I came across as arrogant. All i'm saying is that someone asked me to post a real review and I said I would. I do believe you're being more immature than me. PS: what makes you think this is my first day here. I have been going to this site for around a year-2 yrs |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:13
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Under,he has written detailed essays on DT and other proficient bands such as LTE.He is obviously a DT fanboy(Nothing wrong with DT,I love them)but I bet you everything he writes about will be DT and DT side project and solo album related. Probably thinks Premiata Forneria Marconi is on the menu in an Italian restaraunt. ------------- |
Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:14
And what exactly is so special about your reviews that you have to make such a show about it? What makes you more qualified than the hundreds of other people who have reviewed albums on this site? If you don't like Yes or Genesis, then it's very easy to create a forum topic expressing your view. The way you did it is completely inappropriate. ------------- Be or be not. There is no question. - Yoda, Prince of Denmark |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:14
It's your first day as a FORUM MEMBER. ------------- |
Posted By: DT15
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:15
Please don't assume you know me. And writing essays actually makes me a music critic and NOT a fan boy.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:17
You assumed that you knew us. You know,all us old geezers and our ancient music. ------------- |
Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:17
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I love Yes and I love Dream Theater too. Dream Theater are great musicians and so are Yes. Obviously Dream Theater are at the forefront with their musical abilities but, as it has been said many times on this site, just showing how well you can play does not necessarily mean that good music will result. There are many trained musicians on this website who love classic prog. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/BobGreece/?chartstyle=basicrt10"> 
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Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:17
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DT15 You have two ears and one mouth for a good reason. Look, listen, evaluate before passing judgement and spouting forth. I bet your teachers had 'fun' with you in class. ------------- Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005 |
Posted By: DT15
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:18
Thx for the question Citanul. When did I ever say my reviews were so special? Someone asked me to explain why and I agreed. And for the 10th time, I know it was inapporprate, that was the whole point. Look what I've started now. If I didn't do what I did there would be this much commotion and I enjoy commotion. Are you going to discredit my personality now? And no, how do you know this my first day as a forum member?
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Posted By: Pafnutij
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:19
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I know its better to ignore this attention-seeking stuff, but please stop using the "real musician" joke. I'm quite certain that the members of the bands you condemned with your "reviews" are much more accomplished than you'll ever be (and i wont be surprised if you turn out to be some 14 year old without any experience in music). I also happen to think that many albums considered to be prog classics are not the best works in the genre, but i'm not whining about it |
Posted By: DT15
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:24
Excellent but obvious post Bob. I am not saying ' OI DT ARE THE BEST BAND EVERYONE LOVE THEMMMMMM' . I am actually maturely willing to discuss to people on this site my opinions and analysis on bands such as DT and Yes, and comparing the two musically. Oh and btw, I only used DT as an example, but yes I do like them. I am certaintly not a fan boy. I don't enjoy that many rock bands sadly, this is why I stick to film music and Classical music. But that isn't to say I don't know a fair deal about rock and all its many facets. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:25
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DT15 In anticipation of more informed reviews of albums you like and dont like... Your musical ability only enables you to criticize music at a technical level. Music is a form of art at the end of the day, and whether or not art has any worth is down to it's audience and the effect it has on them. Artists like Yes, Genesis and Dream Theater are all of equal worth for this reason, although they are clearly not ALL to everyones taste. Express your views in a balanced way and you will make friends round here easily, jump in feet first, arrogantly rubbishing artists without foundation and you will find the opposite. You do have our attention, but as has been pointed out, you went about it the wrong way. I would like to read your real reviews of any album you choose. Good reviews get peoples attention too, you know...
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Posted By: Under
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:25
I am just a mirror. No more, no less. OK serious. If you really think your reviews are worth reading, I will read one. But as a starter, start with something from the 60ties. Just to proof you can write a decent review of something old.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:25
Right under your name it says....Joined Oct 4,2005. ------------- |
Posted By: DT15
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:25
How on earth did you come to the conclusion that I'm whining? Oh and thanks for the oracle prophecy |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:26
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Some people like Yes, some don't. Some people like prog-metal and some don't. It's not a problem, but there's no need to go sl*gging something off as "crappy" just because you don't like it. I don't like prog-metal but I don't sl*g it off. There's nothing wrong with it, it's just not to my taste. "Close to the edge" is number one in the PA chart, so it can't be that bad. |
Posted By: DT15
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:26
Right, so you're saying it's impossible for me to have several names? |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:29
You do know that multiple identities are a huge NO-NO here,don't you??????????? ------------- |
Posted By: DT15
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:29
That is EXACTLY my point. Please read my first post again. To explain again, I'm not slogging. I am critically and musically analysing and basing my judgement on that. Oh and as a side note, I don't think i ever said I didn't like it. I might actually enjoy Yes. All I have said so far is that I don't enjoy it from a MUSICAL perpective. |
Posted By: thrang theng
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:29
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It has been quite shocking the way you promoted your point of view DT. And IMO it is remarkable the equilibrated answer of the Collaborators. I believe that it would be quite difficult for you to be taken any serious after your exploit. The fact that annoyed me was not about yours like/dislikes, but that you put some kind of authority because you are a composition graduated. I can accept from you the experience and knowledge aquired during your studies and come with technical analysis of how challenging or not are some Classic pieces of progressive music. I can accept also a technical comparition about groups, in terms of use of contemporary musical theory. But is there any conceptualization about music being "boring" or interesting" ? In my point of seeing this was an unnecessary stating meant to show off your presumption. At least I felt it in this way. Musicians play music. Listeners listen to it. Nor one or the other are superior,both are educated. With or without Academy. Just a matter of respect. I studied music in my own way
------------- Take my fire Take my food and water Forget about those promises Of social good and social order... |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:30
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OK, peace, everyone, please. Welcome to the site DT No point in repeating what the others have said here. Don't get worked up about it, just listen to their advice and don't go for the shock treatment anymore, ok? I'll read your reviews. Enjoy your stay Signing off, Manunkind ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
. It seems you got all the attention you wanted and a little bit more.Posted By: DT15
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:31
Do you think I actually am not aware of that? Please get it out of your minds that I'm an amateur reviewer or musician please. Maybe I should have introduced myself formally. But arrogance is a factor |
Posted By: Pafnutij
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:32
because you're obviously frustrated that everyone else is too stupid to understand the sheer brilliance of DT and the lameness of Yes, Genesis and the rest. |
Posted By: DT15
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:35
I'm sorry, do I really have to explain myself again. sigh. ok for the last time: my first post was a joke to grab attention. Of course I can't PROVE something is boring.
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Posted By: Under
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:37
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Although it is quit relieving this tomato throwing thread, I fear that this will lead to DT 15 becoming a senior member with over 1000 posts in one day and becoming the successor of Maani!
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Posted By: thrang theng
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:37
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A factor of what? Have you read my previous post? ------------- Take my fire Take my food and water Forget about those promises Of social good and social order... |
Posted By: DT15
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:39
haha. ok time to write my first critical analysis on close to the edge. Thanks for the attention guys...
Oh and for the guy who thinks im whining. Read my post preceding this one...carefully!
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Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:39
 Yes, he'll soon be in the 6,000 club.------------- Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005 |
Posted By: thrang theng
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:39
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As soon as I finish to write a post there are hundreds of others before it.... You sayed that you have been here beforeMaybe you are ...OFUR???
OOOOOOFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRR is back!!!!! ------------- Take my fire Take my food and water Forget about those promises Of social good and social order... |
Posted By: thrang theng
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:40
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I'm sure you are OFUR, you have his style!!!!, Unless the OFUR alter-ego cames into this thread.
------------- Take my fire Take my food and water Forget about those promises Of social good and social order... |
Posted By: DT15
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:42
| No, this is my first time posting on this site actually. I was just making a point about not assuming things |
Posted By: thrang theng
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:43
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What do you think about Captain Beefhearth, Zappa's humor and 200motels? Just to have your opinion... nothing related to anything else... ------------- Take my fire Take my food and water Forget about those promises Of social good and social order... |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:44
How he answers to that will determine if he is Ofur or not ------------- |
Posted By: Doesburger
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:46
| This reminds me of something I wanted to ask : Is there such a thing as an ignore button on this forum? Thanks. |
Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:47
Critically and musically analysing? With comments like "this music is just plain boring", "crappy old school prog rock"? And you may not have said explicitly that you didn't like it, but saying "If i want to fall asleep or have a good laugh, I'll listen to Yes" pretty much says that you don't like it. If you wanted people not to take your opinions seriously, you went about it the right way. ------------- Be or be not. There is no question. - Yoda, Prince of Denmark |
Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:49
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I think DT15 is probably not going to win Noobie of the year at the annual ProgAchives award dinner this year.
------------- Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005 |
Posted By: DT15
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:50
I actually don't like expressing a formal opinion without giving proper critical analysis. Nevertheless, I will answer you in short: I don't enjoy Captain Beefhearth's music, I respect Frank Zappa and what he has contributed to experimental,jazz-rock, fusion, etc. Are you referring to the 86 album or just generally? I don't have an opinion either way. Same goes for the 1970 album. Or was it 71?
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Posted By: DT15
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:52
Ok i swear this is the VERY LAST time I am typing this... please read all my posts in this thread, and remember not to take everything you read seriously. |
Posted By: thrang theng
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 09:53
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You should admit dear DT that there are some contraditions in your statement along the forum, and this is somehow confusing all of us about your real intentions... I'm sure that all of us wish that the misunderstanding is over. "A reliable sign of an impoverished nature is the seeking of fault in others" RF ------------- Take my fire Take my food and water Forget about those promises Of social good and social order... |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 10:00
I don't see any critical/musical analysing in your first thread. OK, you didn't exactly say you didn't like it but you did say it's "just plain boring" "crappy old school prog rock". Admit it, you're Ofur in disguise! |
Posted By: DT15
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 10:05
Sorry for my bad english and confusing you. I meant I am GOING to musically analyse the album. In fact I have just begun writing... But if you read all my posts you would have already understood |
Posted By: Under
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 10:05
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Great a hidden message after all. If you see a newbie with the name "Below", stating he knows prog as well as white bread, do not think it is me.
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Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 10:13
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DT15 Didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition..
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Posted By: OldFatherThames
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 10:18
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Wow ! People like you are very funny who come here and think having the absolute verity and bash other's opinion just because your a musician, even if MANY MANY people here are musician, and often with more experience than you. You'r not a god of music, you're just a bachelor of music ! So you came here thinking you have a revelation, a vision ! LOOK LOOK, LISTEN TO ME, I HAVE SOMETHING IMPORTNANT TO SAY !! I had a vision yesterday ! You're all fools, old prog is crap and boring! I will prove you with my REAL reviews, because I'm a REAL musician and you're all not. If you still don't understand my point, it's because you're not as skill as I in a musical point of view. Come on ! I don't care what music you like, and I don't even care about your musical analysis. I found genesis, and jethro tull brillant and Dream Theater and all prog-metal absolutely boring, so what ? It's my taste and you cannot change it. Don't think your point will be see as THE point of view. Even after reading your magnificient reviews, people will not say: Yes, he is right, Genesis is really s**t. |
Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 10:20
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition... ------------- Be or be not. There is no question. - Yoda, Prince of Denmark |
Posted By: John Gargo
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 10:22
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Sort of like a small child who keeps yelling until his parents finally give in out of embaressment and buy him that toy he so desperately needs (but which will find its way to the back of the closet within 24 hours). Grow up. |
Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 10:28
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Posted By: DT15
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 11:09
Do you think I'm not aware of this? As i stated before, I am merely giving a musical analysic on close to the edge because i was asked to on this thread. i couldn't care less if you just brush it off. But then again, not everyone is you. |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 11:25
What have you critically analyzed? Nothing at all. Where is your deep analysis on why Yes and Genesis are not as good as Dream Theater. I would love to hear it and I'm sure everyone else would too since you keep saying your "Almighty musical analysis" is so worthy. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 11:32
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Proves my point that a Dream Theater fanboy is the most ignorant kind of fanboy ever. ------------- 
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Posted By: DT15
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 11:33
Im in the middle of writing it now. And I don't appreciate the patronising. This is going to take a lot of time and effort so please stop being immature. Also, iny my essay i'm not going to say one band is as good as another im just musically analysing close to the edge. and btw i never once said my '"Almighty musical analysis" is so worthy' |
Posted By: cobb
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 11:37
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Bachelor of Music Composition - I doubt it 25 years old- unlikely 12 years old- probably. Go easy on the kid, guys |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 11:37
| You're way off because Close to the Edge is above ALL criticism! |
Posted By: DT15
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 11:42
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Can't wait to show you guys my review. So far it's 5 pages and i've harldy started... |
Posted By: thrang theng
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 11:52
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Where will you post it? Would it be here on the forum or on the Yes albums reviews ? ------------- Take my fire Take my food and water Forget about those promises Of social good and social order... |
Posted By: DT15
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 11:53
I'm not sure. I don't want to give a rating out of 5 based on the system. maybe i'll just post it here |
Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 12:06
*NutterAlert on one knee head tilted downwards* How do you intend to present this epic to us. Sacred scrolls passed down from high? Tablets of stone? ------------- Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005 |
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 12:09
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25 year old gets a BA in composition....and then praises DT while knocking bands like Yes and Genesis. Like a lit major raving about the works of Joan Collins. Look at me....I'm a musician. Look at me....I went to college. My old mammy always told me beware of people who have to TELL you what they are. To my ears, son, you're a rank amateur. ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 12:19
In the good words of Genesis "I'd rather trust a man who doesn't shout what he's found" ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: John Gargo
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 12:50
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Oh boy oh boy!!! |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 13:03
And I used to think a douchebag was just a feminine hygeine product. 
------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: Hangedman
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 13:23
Well I know a very accomplished musician who is 54 and id be williing to bet hes better than you at every instrument he plays (keys, guitar, and bass). Hes played for some famous canadian acts and is proficient in every style of music. He likes Yes, Dream Theater makes him laugh. Theres more to music then who can play an uninspired solo faster  A lot of it is personal taste.
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Posted By: bobbyross73
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 13:32
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I am a musician and sometimes the best judge for music is a non-musician. Because they think about the music as a whole. Most musicians (myself included) tend to hear more of the details and thereby sometimes do not see the bigger picture. At least that's what I think.... |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 14:40
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I think the specific discussions on DT15's methods has gone far enough. I'm sure he has got the message. Please now keep this thread to the matter he raised in his original post, and avoid personal criticism. He's entitled to his opinion, even if he's wrong! Here's what he said : " I am sick and tired of listening to you old folk talk about how you don't enjoy quality acts such as Dream Theater. One reviewer said it's not to his taste...ok then that's fine. So let me have my say now. If i want to fall asleep or have a good laugh, I'll listen to Yes or Genesis or Pink Floyd (etc). C'mon you oldies...this music is not as great as you all say it is. I am a 25 year old bachelor of music composition graduate and have been playing the keyboard, guitar and drums for a little over 10 yrs, so I AM a musician, unlike most of you. But instead of going into a lengthy essay about why this music is just plain boring, I'll just do what so many of you people do and say 'it's not to my taste'. So there you have it, I voiced my opinion and I don't care if you don't care but I am honest to God when I say that crappy old school prog rock bores me to tears and no matter how many times I listen to Yes' 'Close to the Edge', I will never understand why you guys get boners over it. The music is nothing earth shattering. But it's fine, if you oldies get so excited and this sorta stuff makes your hair stand up...well that's fine...but seriously now, just make sure you know there are educated musicians like myself who simply find it all boring. |
Posted By: yargh
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 14:48
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It would be one thing if you blasted Genesis and Yes, yet offered up a credible band as your favorite... but Dream Theater? Dream Theater are cliche-meisters; copiers of the innovations of others. They're good musicians, but they aren't doing anything innovative or particularly creative from a music-making standpoint. You may find Yes and Genesis to be boring, but they made 4th generation tag-a-longs like Dream Theater possible. |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 14:57
i don't think we are good enough for you my friend 
i like dream theater so its a shame you started insulting my age 
don't feel obliged to give me a snappy reply ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 15:00
| People also should be nicer and realize that everyone has different musical tastes... (Yes, even here) |
Posted By: DEzerov
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 15:02
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Hello seeker! Now don't feel alone here in the New Age, because there's a seeker born every minute. ------------- The moon is made by some lame cooper and you can see the idiot has no idea about moons at all - Nikolay Gogol |
Posted By: Morandar
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 15:12
I find the whole discussion pointless, but this reply is great: you're absolutely right. I, and I am a musician, sometimes discover myself in searching for music which is not good, but only tasteful from a musicianship point of view. Doing this, too many times I excluded from my listenings great bands for, to make two important examples, not having keyboards or not being "progressive" (when sometimes even simple songs can be great...maybe ;)). About the topic, I like DT and find them brilliant (until 6doit, well). But also like, in a total different way, prog rock - which IS important, however, to understand DT. I could not be the best fan of YES (I'm listening at Close to the Edge right now and don't find it marvellous), but I can understand their importance. DT15 cannot, but I am very curious about reading his literary efforts about destroying this band and the whole prog rock movement. Until now I only read whinings. ------------- Dangerous to be closely minded by a closed mind. http://www.ogd-project.it - Ordine Geometrico Demonstrata - the ultimate attempt at you will to listen. |
Posted By: gbi.bytos
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 15:47
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I've just read the first post, and, without having read the others, I just want to reply. I'm 20. I played the guitar for some years now - because it seems to DT15 that playing of an instrument gives you the right to protest. My favorite bands are: IQ, Marillion, Arena, Pendragon, Genesis, Camel, Pink Floyd. And, Dream Theater. Tell me - the first time I heard "Close to the edge", I felt that I didn't understand anything of that music. It was like that for "A change of season too". Petrucci considers Steve Howe as his master. Lately, having been to a Dream Theater concert in Paris, I heard the band play "Heart of the sunrise" as an encore. Oh, Rothery and Hogarth, from Marillion, shall I precise, have been long-time friends with Portnoy and Petrucci. The list could be long, I guess. I would just say some last words. If Genesis, Yes, and King Crimson had not been there, there wouldn't have been a Dream Theater. That is not even a reason to call those early bands "oldies". Sorry if I'm intolerant with your thoughts... I happen to be someone who knows how to appreciate all that music - if you don't like it, don't listen to it. Let's say I need at least 3 or 4 month to discover an album in its entirety... |
Posted By: Pseud0
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 15:47
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dt15 fails at life
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Posted By: yesman72
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 16:05
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I'm studying music in college and have been a musician for 8 years. Even though I think Dream Theater and Yes are both great for me I'll always choose Yes. Personally I don't see how a Dream Theater fan could bash Yes. Dream Theater have named Yes as one of their main influences and they also covered Yes songs on occasion. |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 16:11
i agree ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: Cinema
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 16:32
DT15, do you think you can be any more egotistical or immature than you seem to be? With statements like, "... now that I have your attention," and "... to make myself heard," I'm pretty sure you haven't done a really good job of gaining the respect of people on this site. And who cares whether you're a musician. What does that have to do with anything? I too am a musician ... a drummer for nearly 30 years ... and I HATE Dream Theater. Being a musician, whether novice or pro, good or bad, has absolutely nothing to do with one's musical likes and dislikes. Nor does it qualify you in any way, shape, or form to say one style of music is good while another style bad. |
Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 16:35
I can't believe this topic is 5 pages long! Can't we all just get along?! ------------- My recent purchases: 
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Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 16:40
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I am thinking of doing an experiment: Sitting in a room with a 5-CD changer and listening to Big Generater, Talk, Union, and Open Your Eyes over and over for 16 hours straight. Do you think this will make me like these albums more or dislike them more than I already do? ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: yargh
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:01
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"Sitting in a room with a 5-CD changer and listening to Big Generater, Talk, Union, and Open Your Eyes over and over for 16 hours straight."
If you do that and live to tell about it, you're a better man than me! The idea of playing Talk, Union and Open Your Eyes (No serious problems with BG here) for 16 straight hours is one of the most painful methods of suicide that I can envision. |
Posted By: OldFatherThames
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:14
I think he's got a great point ! You absolutely love a band that absolutely love a band that you think is almost crap and oldies !! Even if your idol love and is inspire by Howe, how can you say Yes are bad ! And if you say so, then how can you explain your "idol" (maybe not, but someone your like a lot) love Howe !! You make no sense DT. And yes, DT love Yes, tour with them, are inspire by them, play cover of them live, and listen to them... |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 17:31
We should enjoy whatever we want to.If you narrow your own music listening you are only 'cutting off your nose to spite your own face'.Utterly pointless but at the end of the day its no skin off my nose so it matters not. btw I've got several DT albums and have seen them live twice so I guess I like them.But if others don't that is their business. |
Posted By: NegativeTrend
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 18:01
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Heh, someone is a little disrespectful to the music that gave birth to Dream Theater and all those other "Prog Metal" bands. ------------- 
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 18:11
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Must there always be a newie with this stupid opinions?...ok, yes...whatever, Dream Theater is thousend times better than KC, Yes and Genesis all together...is that what you want to hear? ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 18:12
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Wow, you're ignorant fin. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
I LOVE Dream Theater, and Pain Of Salvation, and Opeth but classic prog is the best... They influenced DT. If it wasn't for Yes and Genesis, there would be no Dream Theater. DT will never make anything nearly as great or influential as CTTE. Or Foxtrot. The other thing is that you probably just can't get into them, but that's something I would be ashamed of, not announce it publicly. And to your knowledge, most educated musicians respect and accredit the classics. Ask any member of Dream Theater what they think of classic prog. Mike said on the 5 Years In A LIVEtime DVD that "One of our main influences is Yes"... I can hear Yes, Genesis, and Pink Floyd in DT's music. For example, the intro to Octavarium is a tribute to Shine on. Try to imagine Dream Theater without any classic prog influences. I can't. Because there would be no DT. You make an impression of an ignorant, close minded person. So think about it.Posted By: The Ryan
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 19:36
There's no reason for anyone to argue in this topic anymore. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 19:53
I know I'm a genius ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Scrambled_Eggs
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 20:01
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People can argue that Yes is better than DT or DT is better than Yes, but at the end of the day it all comes down to taste. Besides, we all know the most technically brilliant band is the Sex Pistols. ------------- And I am not frightened of dying, any time will do, I don't mind. Why should I be frightened of dying? There's no reason for it, you've gotta go sometime. I never said I was frightened of dying. |
Posted By: Ofur
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 20:07
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I guess I can't blame anyone for thinking DT15 is me, I almost pissed my pants when I read this thread, it sounds exactly like one of my rants. DT15 get your own writing style! |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 20:16
I think you might be pushing it. Anything would sound good after those repulsive albums. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 21:25
I'm wondering if you have ever tried having an open mind when it came to music. I suggest you give it another chance if you don't like, you may surprise yourself, the more you listen to a song or band that is prog, the more you will like it, 99% of the time atleast. |
Posted By: Gabzs
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 22:24
WELL I HOPE IT'S A JOKE!!!!
Hey man, please, I cannot understand, please, help us to be glad because, WOOW. What you said , it's like to me, if you were saying that Beatles and King Crimson are nothing!!! HEY PLEASE WAKE UP!!! YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU ARE A REAL MUSICIAN!!! PROVE IT!!!! You know!!! hey WOOW, I thing that GOD will punish you in heaven! Hey, close to the Edge REVEAL ALL THE POWER AND THE MAGIC OF THE PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! And if you are saying all this just because this music do not match with you're style, it is sure that you lie at yourself man! A good musician it supposes to be open to anything! And it suppose to see a good work as YES HAD DONE WITH CLOSE TO THE EDGE!!! Try to tell us that Siberian Khatru is not a excellent moving and "energy giver" song? Try to tell us that And you And I is not a fabulous travel of the total humains emotions of love? AFTER ALL TRY TO MAKE US BELIEVE THAT CLOSE TO THE EDGE DO NOT OWN ALL THESE FACT!!!! Good luck, but I know that, somewhere, you were not just!!! I don't know where and why, but I know, I know...
And do you know what?? THE WORST IN ALL THIS STORY, IT IS YOU!!! BECAUSE, BY ACTING LIKE THIS, YOU ARE PRIVING YOURSELF OF ONE OF THE MOST HEALTHY MUSIC IN THE WORLD THAT I KOWN!!! YES, i mean HEALTHY!!! The groupe YES is like a friend for us! By their music, they tell us to continu to fight for new idea in our world, well, YES is a HOPE GIVER!!! Thing how you what, but remember that YOU are the worst after all! ------------- Yes, King Crim, Hammill, Van Der Graaf and all the gagn show the way!!! |
