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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 03:43
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Ady Cardiac Ady Cardiac wrote:

alot of talk on the news this morning about horsemeat found in burgers this morning.....pah.......not that bothered......ya its worrying that its only just been found out so where are those who are suppose to keep an eye on what goes in?.....i'm not that bothered as i'll try anything once......i've eaten various meats over the years and i've never tried horsemeat.....i'd give it a go.

My friend is from Witney. Looks like a lovely place.
 
its a nice little town.....has a few chavs and has its own townie lifestyle...a tiny alternative scene...about 20 odd pubs/bars......its also David Camerons constituency........Ermm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 03:43
I'm more impressed by Tesco's burgers than I thought I was - it says the sample tested contained 29% horse meat - I'm surprised they contained that much meat.
 
On holiday last year the good lady wife turned her nose up at Steak Haché œufs à Cheval on the menu in every café we dined at even after repeated attempts to explain it was beef not horse and just means "on horseback" just like devils on horseback and pigs on horseback.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 04:12
Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

Oh, not again!

Threads always turn into huge ass arguments


Considering the potential for foolish trolling this subject matter presents, the thread has thus far been very mild mannered. I still have not seen the jerky reply, "for every animal you don't eat, I will eat two."

At this point most clinical data will point out that animal proteins are easily substituted with vegetable protein, primarily from legumes. Is it as tasty? Well, all depends on the consumer and the preparer. Do I have a problem with the consumption of either. It is also becoming apparent that the quantity of protein required in a healthy diet has been greatly overestimated. We know from liver failure patients that have difficulty digesting protein that the body can function on very little protein.

I think we have reached the point that the key is not what we consume, but how it is produced. The meat factory mass production practices that have been so pervasive in the last 50 years are unsustainable, as are monoculture that leaches soil of nutrients and require artificial fertilization.

I fully support meat eaters and vegetarians. Both can be done in a conscientious and sustainable manner. Buy locally from a source that you know what practices are used.
I agree with you that it is not what we consume but how it is produced. I'd also add how it is consumed. Timothy's comment about overgrazing applies to all food groups and of those carbohydrates are just as problematic as proteins and fats. We have a problem with the consumption of everything, not just protein, so cutting or controlling just one is not a solution - balance and restraint is the solution. There are obese vegans, vegetarians and omnivores - potatoes, cakes, bread, sugars (inc. honey), pulses, chocolate, pasta, rice all make you fat if you eat too much, the average BigMac meal contains very little meat.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 05:25
^yup, when you consider Oreo's are a qualifying vegan food, it makes sense that obese vegans, while not the norm, can and do exist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 05:56
^ the point being that unhealthy eaters are not unhealthy because the eat too much meat, they are unhealthy because they eat too much.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 06:06
True - many years ago, my mother was told by her doctor that if she wanted to lose weight the best & most foolproof way was to eat exactly what she ate everyday, but just less of it.

There is no correlation between vegetarianism & health; lifestyle/moderation & health, certainly, but eating meat or otherwise makes no difference.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 06:26
Reading on Facebook of people throwing their burgers away. Now that is disgusting.

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Because of a comment I left my nephews wife will feed them to a cat. That's better anyway.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 06:42
According to this article Tour cyclists consume about 6000 calories per day during competition.  Thats alot of cheeseburger. 
http://cyclingnz.com/cnz5_science.php?a=72
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 06:50
The root problem is the same as for so many other issues: too many people on this planet, and too many of them concentrated on huge urban areas.

In this small Belgian village you can still go to the local butcher whom you know personally and have beers at the cafe with, when you walk your dog beyond the village houses you walk next to his cows which quietly and freely graze the abundant grass the whole day, a limited number of cows in a very large field, in spring you see the young calves grazing around and growing week by week, every few days you see him taking a couple of cows to slaughter with his tractor and you know when you buy a steak the next day that it's from the cow you saw yesterday passing on the tractor oblivious of her fate a couple of hours later.

I visit Senegal often and in the small coast villages you tell a local guy in the morning that you would like a lobster for dinner, he goes to sea with his tiny boat and a couple of hours later he is back with a smile on his face, a living lobster on his right hand and some fish for his own family dinner in his left hand.

I guess that 500 years ago when all meat and fish were obtained in similar fashions, people rarely cared or even thought about vegetarianism (let alone veganism). It's the modern mass-volume ways of providing meat and fish to the alarmingly huge population which have caused the issue to raise.

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Vegetartianism is not a noble cause, it's a life-style choice.

I guess that some vegetarians (I'm not one of them) practice it because they see it as a noble cause, meaning that their concept of 'nobility' is possibly different from ours. Probably they see it not too different from refraining from buying a real mink fur coat or things like that, and this is not meaning that they deluse themselves thinking that their choice is gonna change the world, but it's just their personal statement to raise awareness about some issues that might otherwise get ignored.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 06:54
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Reading on Facebook of people throwing their burgers away. Now that is disgusting.
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Because of a comment I left my nephews wife will feed them to a cat. That's better anyway.


It is terrible. What's wrong with eating horsemeat anyway? Why is it any more aceeptable or unnacceptable than eating cow, or lamb or deer??

It is of course a cultural thing, and I suspect the biggest problem here is that Tesco were selling what were supposadly beef bufburgers, without declaring the horsemeat contents in the ingredients.

Years from now we'll all be eating fake meat grown in labs anyway, from stem cells, and most people will be coaxed into thinking that is perfectly ok, through decades of pressure and brainwashing from 'ethical' politicians who will all still be gorging on venison and fois gras every day.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 06:57
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Reading on Facebook of people throwing their burgers away. Now that is disgusting.
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Because of a comment I left my nephews wife will feed them to a cat. That's better anyway.


It is terrible. What's wrong with eating horsemeat anyway? Why is it any more aceeptable or unnacceptable than eating cow, or lamb or deer??

It is of course a cultural thing, and I suspect the biggest problem here is that Tesco were selling what were supposadly beef bufburgers, without declaring the horsemeat contents in the ingredients.
 

They couldn't, they and Iceland didn't know.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 07:30
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:



Years from now we'll all be eating fake meat grown in labs anyway, from stem cells, and most people will be coaxed into thinking that is perfectly ok, through decades of pressure and brainwashing from 'ethical' politicians who will all still be gorging on venison and fois gras every day.
50 years ago they said we'd have hover-boots now and we're still waiting. Synthetic meat is easily made, it's called soya.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 08:00
^I made a Quorn lasagne on Monday. Very good it was too...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 09:11
I'm negative to veganism, or any other "sectarian" ideology , either religious or not




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 09:12
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 09:48
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 10:36
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Years from now we'll all be eating fake meat grown in labs anyway, from stem cells, and most people will be coaxed into thinking that is perfectly ok, through decades of pressure and brainwashing from 'ethical' politicians who will all still be gorging on venison and fois gras every day.

50 years ago they said we'd have hover-boots now and we're still waiting. Synthetic meat is easily made, it's called soya.


The principles of growing meat meat from stem cells in a lab, is established. That is actual meat, not meat substitute like soya. Mass producing it is the challenge, as no doubt marketing it to people like me will be too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 10:43
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Years from now we'll all be eating fake meat grown in labs anyway, from stem cells, and most people will be coaxed into thinking that is perfectly ok, through decades of pressure and brainwashing from 'ethical' politicians who will all still be gorging on venison and fois gras every day.

50 years ago they said we'd have hover-boots now and we're still waiting. Synthetic meat is easily made, it's called soya.


The principles of growing meat meat from stem cells in a lab, is established. That is actual meat, not meat substitute like soya. Mass producing it is the challenge, as no doubt marketing it to people like me will be too.
Because we can does not mean that we will - there are lots of things we can do in a lab that never find commercial application. I just do not think that doom and gloom dystopia isn't as imminent or as likely as many believe it to be.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 10:53
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I'm more impressed by Tesco's burgers than I thought I was - it says the sample tested contained 29% horse meat - I'm surprised they contained that much meat.
 
On holiday last year the good lady wife turned her nose up at Steak Haché œufs à Cheval on the menu in every café we dined at even after repeated attempts to explain it was beef not horse and just means "on horseback" just like devils on horseback and pigs on horseback.

Nobility over semantics, impressive.
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