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NetsNJFan
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Joined: April 12 2005
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 19:15 |
Blacksword wrote:
Souxsie & the Banshees:
Check out their albums Hyeana and Tinderbox. Definite prog elements on both. Brilliant albums from a rarely discussed band. Their 70's output was closer to raw ounk, but had elements of Curved Air. Souxsie was a big fan.
KIlling Joke:
Their albums 'Brighter than a thousand suns' and 'Outside the gate' in particular. The latter is arguably a prog rock album, and nothing to do with punk.
PIL:
The album 'Happy' which is sadly deleted now, had a very prog feel, especially the tracks 'Seattle' and 'Save me' Lydons fave band of all time was VDGG.
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I'bve heard Johnny Rotten was very into Peter Hammill. Was that the only prog he liked?
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Seyo
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Posted: May 14 2005 at 12:48 |
I dont see any reason why punk and prog should be in contradiction, again genre tags are only invented by press to easily categorize music and sell it to the people.
Here is an example of "prog-punk":
"Amazon.co.uk Review
Cruelly denied the Number One slot when an administrative cock-up at the UK chart returns office credited thousands of album sales to The Police, 1979's The Raven--now re-issued with bonus tracks--found tuneful toughnuts The Stranglers striding purposefully away from the faltering punk scene with a renewed artistic agenda and a head full of hard drugs. A new direction and an overhauled musical vocabulary (gone was the growly bass and the organ, in came futuristic keyboard sounds, odd time signatures, intricate arrangements and extended instrumental passages) The Raven--as perennially acknowledged by the band's large and dutifully black-garbed cult following--is The Stranglers magnum opus. From the epic title-track--a questing, valorous Norse saga adorned by Dave Greenfield's wuthering Artic synths and sung in breathless fashion by JJ Burnel--to the quirky prog-rock science of "Genetix" (on which former biochemist Hugh Cornwell got to show-off his knowledge of pioneering 19th-century Austrian geneticist Gregor Mendel). The Raven was--and remains--enthrallingly fresh, musically daring and downright ominous. Paranoia abounds--there's the grimly pretty (but rather hypocritical) anti-heroin lament "Don't Bring Harry" and the helium-inhaling vocal freakinessof "Meninblack", a portentous slab of psychedelic lethargy detailing the existence of a black-suited extraterrestrial mafia. But there's pop too--"Duchess" (a Top 20 UK hit later covered by My Life Story) and the doleful "Baroque Bordello", a song almost compassionate and empathic compared to the leerier lyricisations of old but also featuring a keyboard intro which seemed to be cribbed from--of all things--"Inchworm" from the Danny Kaye film Hans Christian Anderson. Blame the drugs? Whatever reason, The Raven is The Stranglers' finest achievement." --Kevin Maidment
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Seyo
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Posted: May 14 2005 at 12:49 |
I dont see any reason why punk and prog should be in contradiction, again genre tags are only invented by press to easily categorize music and sell it to the people.
Here is an example of "prog-punk":
"Amazon.co.uk Review
Cruelly denied the Number One slot when an administrative cock-up at the UK chart returns office credited thousands of album sales to The Police, 1979's The Raven--now re-issued with bonus tracks--found tuneful toughnuts The Stranglers striding purposefully away from the faltering punk scene with a renewed artistic agenda and a head full of hard drugs. A new direction and an overhauled musical vocabulary (gone was the growly bass and the organ, in came futuristic keyboard sounds, odd time signatures, intricate arrangements and extended instrumental passages) The Raven--as perennially acknowledged by the band's large and dutifully black-garbed cult following--is The Stranglers magnum opus. From the epic title-track--a questing, valorous Norse saga adorned by Dave Greenfield's wuthering Artic synths and sung in breathless fashion by JJ Burnel--to the quirky prog-rock science of "Genetix" (on which former biochemist Hugh Cornwell got to show-off his knowledge of pioneering 19th-century Austrian geneticist Gregor Mendel). The Raven was--and remains--enthrallingly fresh, musically daring and downright ominous. Paranoia abounds--there's the grimly pretty (but rather hypocritical) anti-heroin lament "Don't Bring Harry" and the helium-inhaling vocal freakinessof "Meninblack", a portentous slab of psychedelic lethargy detailing the existence of a black-suited extraterrestrial mafia. But there's pop too--"Duchess" (a Top 20 UK hit later covered by My Life Story) and the doleful "Baroque Bordello", a song almost compassionate and empathic compared to the leerier lyricisations of old but also featuring a keyboard intro which seemed to be cribbed from--of all things--"Inchworm" from the Danny Kaye film Hans Christian Anderson. Blame the drugs? Whatever reason, The Raven is The Stranglers' finest achievement." --Kevin Maidment
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Seyo
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Posted: May 14 2005 at 12:52 |
Dave Greenfield, keyboardist of the Stranglers, once in an magazine interview, admitted to listening to YES.
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abyssyinfinity
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Posted: May 17 2005 at 16:23 |
PINK FAIRIES & DEVIANTS, ALSO HAWKWIND IN SOME WAY...!
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Ripples
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Posted: May 17 2005 at 17:08 |
This is easy:
1. Wire
2. PIL
3. Gang of Four
4. Television
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Benighted
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Posted: May 20 2005 at 01:12 |
Seyo wrote:
I dont see any reason why punk and prog should be in contradiction, again genre tags are only invented by press to easily categorize music and sell it to the people. |
Genre tags also allow listeners to describe what they are actually listening to.
Being as punk all but killed off the prog boom of the 70's, I would view anyone claiming to meld the two with the most extreme of skeptecism.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: May 20 2005 at 11:20 |
I have not read all posts (probably the first 15) but to me the only historical prog punk band would be the Police. Sting was a jazzman, Andy Somers had been around the the greats of prog since 67 (played in Soft Machine , the new Animals , with Fripp) and Stewart Copeland (brother of Miles the producer) had played with Curved Air.
And those SMBBWMSP (stupid & mindless brutish British weekly music press - NME and MM and even sadly Sounds) journalists accepted it without knbowing who those guys were. Had they found out , they might have tried to reject them.
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Blacksword
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Joined: June 22 2004
Location: England
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 08:40 |
NetsNJFan wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Souxsie & the Banshees:
Check out their albums Hyeana and Tinderbox. Definite prog elements on both. Brilliant albums from a rarely discussed band. Their 70's output was closer to raw ounk, but had elements of Curved Air. Souxsie was a big fan.
KIlling Joke:
Their albums 'Brighter than a thousand suns' and 'Outside the gate' in particular. The latter is arguably a prog rock album, and nothing to do with punk.
PIL:
The album 'Happy' which is sadly deleted now, had a very prog feel, especially the tracks 'Seattle' and 'Save me' Lydons fave band of all time was VDGG.
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I'bve heard Johnny Rotten was very into Peter Hammill. Was that the only prog he liked?
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I'm not certain, although I think he may have been into Hwkwind too. A number of those old punks were. Anyone in punk who could actually play an instrument probably came from a rock background.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Man Erg
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Joined: August 26 2004
Location: Isle of Lucy
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 09:02 |
It is well documented that Howard Devoto & Pete Shelley of The formative Buzzcocks were massive Can and Hawkwind fans.Devoto went onto form Magazine and the Prog/Kraut influence is obvious especially on Magazine's sophomore album.Secondhand Daylight.
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Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb.
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