Do you like Never Mind the Bollocks?

Pnoom! wrote: First of all, Hughes, excellent post. Dean, you make some good points, but I disagree with "at the time it would not have mattered what was on the record."  If it had not been so perfectly put together, with music just as visceral as the image it represented, it certainly wouldn't be as big as it is today (though perhaps it would've been just as big back then, I can't honestly claim to know). Also, New Wave is awesome and I'm not sure how bands like Black Flag and Dead Kennedys (who came in the wake of the Sex Pistols) are in any way "watered down" (or any band in that scene).

Easy Money wrote: In the mid 80s in San Francisco there was a post hardcore scene with a strong prog-rock influence, some of the bands included Victims Family, Crash n Burn, Hello Kitty on Ice, No Means No (from Canada), Slovenly (LA) Rhythm Pigs (Texas) as well as Nuerosis (on PA) and Faith No More.

npjnpj wrote: Pure lifestyle fashion, no substance. Mainly middle class kids playing at being poor.

The best parody of which could be seen as 'Common People' by Pulp; a long time later, but none the less incisive.

To be quite frank, either the Stooges or the Ramones would have very easily blown the Sex Pistols off the stage. Still, Never Mind the Bullocks does have its moments. "Pretty Vacant" is one of my favorite punk songs.  

Never got into The Stooges, but The Ramones were a pure force of nature; total wall of sound

It could be said it went back even further with bands such as the New York Dolls or even Alice Cooper (often referred to as the grandfather of punk).

As I saw it (even though I liked a lot of the bands), Punk in Britain was more to do with fashion than music

^ (pointing towards Jim's post) Yeah, that is what I have been trying to say. It was more about fashion in the UK and Europe, but the bands that emerged from the California and Boston/D.C. hard core scene had much better instrumental skills. Bad Brains had one of the best drummers I have ever heard.

Edited by Easy Money - February 13 2009 at 11:18

Yes. I think it's a massively overrated album, but about half of the songs are genuine classics of their genre (Anarchy, Pretty Vacant, Holidays in the Sun, God Save The Queen, Submission, No Feelings) and its influence on popular culture was massive. John Lydon went on to do some pretty cool stuff with PIL as well. My one and only karaoke performance was singing Anarchy in the UK in a japanese karaoke bar many years ago.

Yeah!!! MC5 and Kick Out the Jams.  I confiscated my dad's LP from him many years ago.  It is actually hard for me to picture my dad actually liking this music. 

I wonder if Punk Archives have this level of discussion over Tales From Topographic Oceans?

For a lot of you guys who hate punk I don`t know? this thread has gone some 4 pages on a progrock site whereas I`ve seen a few threads about prog bands die out after maybe 10-15 posts, Suprised no none has mentioned the Exploited or Canadian band DOA who do a killer version of BTO`s Takin`Care Of Business. I agree with the guys who have mentioned PIL got a couple of their albums as well myself.

I was just comparing ACDC`s version of Johnny B Goode to the Sex Pistols "version" and I find the Sex Pistol`s "version" far more entertaining. I saw Joey Ramone ( RIP ) getting tattooed in a Calgary tattooo shop once when I was witha friend who was checking out tatoos and said hello to him. I don`t care what anyone says the Ramones were the first punk band. Wasn`t the Brits. They were formed in Queeens NY in `74 and went for at least 20 years. Love their versions of Spider Man and Louis Armstrong`s Wonderful World ( it can be heard over the closing credits on Michael Moore`s Bowling For Columbine ) and of course I Don`t Want to Grow Up. So it at least proves that the punks were clued into other styles of music to an extent.

If you want to get down to it The Who were the first real punk band.Really think about it. If you wanto look at it that way then I guess the Brits invented Punk,

I saw John Lydon defending himself on Judge Judy once. Apparantly Lydon fired his drummer  in  and assaulted him.. He kept interrupting Judge Judy  she had to threaten to throw him out of the courtroom about 6 or 7 times. People in the court were even laughing. I was laaughing my ass off as welI think it had something to do witha breach of a verbal contract. Judge Judy ruled in favour of Lydon. In the interview at the end Lydon said that the plainif would have been better off as an interior decorator.

One other thing that I don`t understand is this term " prog community " it`s a made-up term. I`ll speak for myself here. I always considered myself a MUSIC fan. If fact right now I`m jamming with a metal band every time we get the chance to get away from our wives.

Now, I don`t mean ti insult or offendanyone here. There`s a prog festival here in Montréal I think every year  ( The Strawbs played a couple of years back , one of my favourite bands of all time  )which is set up just to generate $$$$$$$$ which I adamantly boycott along with the Montréal International Jazz Festival.which I religiosly attended every year until they started selling bottles of water for $4.50 and a beer for $6.75 and your bags checked at the entrances to the venue which now takes place at place des Arts. They used to have it on Rue St. Denis Believe me I`d have rather gone to see The Exploited. At least the punks and metal heads are  honest, at least the ones I`ve met.
I just don`t know why some people don`t have open minds anymore and are soooooo serious about things. A sign of the times I guess. C`mon Duke let`s go out on to the porch to the rocking chair and watch the sun go down.


Edited by Vibrationbaby - February 13 2009 at 14:31