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Poll Question: Which album has the littlest prog relation??
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2008 at 16:19
Originally posted by MaidenMadness MaidenMadness wrote:


why cause master of puppets, ride the lightning and and justice for all have more complex songs than your typical have metal? of course that might not have anything to do with the fact that bay area thrash bands are more leaned towards technicality, as opposed to east coast thrash whose sound was closer to punk and hardcore or german thrash metal who drawn influence from venom?

sorry but if that is the reason why metallica are considered a prog band than one can go easily and add the likes of megadeth, testament, death angel, heathen and the whole lot. personally i think its a weak argument.

other explanations metallica's sound influenced the likes of dt? fair enough but in a same way nwobhm bands such as diamond head should be considered to be at least as equally influential as metallica as metallica's sound was much more influenced by them, than prog metal bands a'la dt's sound was influenced by metallica.

if we want to be honest bands such as virgin steele or savatage have more prog elements in their music than metallica ever had.

i am reading through that thread now and personally i don't see what i consider to be valid case for considering metallica prog related.

Read carefully through the Prog Related page on the site.

now if people here want to hold it against me then so be it.

Although I disagree with your view, I have no intention of "holding it against" you.  However, the belligerence with which you articulate your opinion does have an alienating effect.


i stick by what i said, imo metallica is neither:

a) prog

nor

b) prog related in any greater extent than the likes of megadeth, venom, celtic frost, bathory, metal church and co are.

Despite popular platitudes, not all opinions have equal value:  some are well-informed and reasonable, others not so much.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2008 at 16:44
Originally posted by MaidenMadness MaidenMadness wrote:

syd barrett drew certain inspiration from nursery rhymes and that doesn't make nursery rhymes a'la humpty dumpty or twinkle twinkle little star prog.


Now wait just a minute! Genesis had a nursery rhyme in their Nursery Cryme album, so I think you're on to something! LOL

Plenty of prog bands have non-prog influences, so I don't think going around and adding all these influences is going to do any good (remember when My Dying Bride was here? Censored). Mention the influences in the bio of the prog artist and let the reader do his or her own research.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2008 at 16:56
Originally posted by MaidenMadness MaidenMadness wrote:

why cause master of puppets, ride the lightning and and justice for all have more complex songs than your typical have metal?
 
That's a part of it - the rest is in the other thread
 
Originally posted by MaidenMadness MaidenMadness wrote:

of course that might not have anything to do with the fact that bay area thrash bands are more leaned towards technicality, as opposed to coast thrash whose sound was closer to punk and hardcore or german thrash metal who drawn influence from venom?
 
We went into that in the other thread.
 
Originally posted by MaidenMadness MaidenMadness wrote:


sorry but if that is the reason why metallica are considered a prog band than one can go easily and add the likes of megadeth, testament, death angel, heathen and the whole lot. personally i think its a weak argument.
 
We went into that in the other thread.
 
Originally posted by MaidenMadness MaidenMadness wrote:


other explanations metallica's sound influenced the likes of dt? fair enough but in a same way nwobhm bands such as diamond head should be considered to be at least as equally influential as metallica as metallica's sound was much more influenced by them, than prog metal bands a'la dt's sound was influenced by metallica.
 
Not just the sound - please read the other thread.
 
I agree about Diamond Head, BTW - always have done - but there are almost no "bands such as..." in Diamond Head's case - and they never made a fully Prog Metal album, more's the pity.
 
Originally posted by MaidenMadness MaidenMadness wrote:



if we want to be honest bands such as virgin steele or savatage have more prog elements in their music than metallica ever had.
 
I don't think so. Haven't heard many prog elements in their music myself.
 
 
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i am reading through that thread now and personally i don't see what i consider to be valid case for considering metallica prog related.
 
 
Really?
You should do a bit more than skim-reading it then.
 
Which bits do you disagree with?
 
 
Originally posted by MaidenMadness MaidenMadness wrote:


now if people here want to hold it against me then so be it. i stick by what i said, imo metallica is neither:

a) prog

nor

b) prog related in any greater extent than the likes of megadeth, venom, celtic frost, bathory, metal church and co are.
 
 
You stick to what you said, I stick to what I said, everyone is happy - except that why Metallica are more Prog-related than those other bands (except, perhaps, Celtic Frost) has been reasoned through with no serious counter-argument in the other threads on this subject - so you need not just a better argument, but an argument.
 
I don't hold it against you - I can just see you haven't actually thought it through.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2008 at 17:32
Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:

Now wait just a minute! Genesis had a nursery rhyme in their Nursery Cryme album, so I think you're on to something! LOL


Careful - they also had a shopping list in The Aisle of Plenty. Before you know it.... Confused


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2008 at 20:45
All of them Heavy Mental Rubbish 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2008 at 02:03
Originally posted by Hawkwise Hawkwise wrote:

All of them Heavy Mental Rubbish 


This post actually made me laugh, for all the wrong reasons.
I think if only because it completely broke up the serious arguments at exactly the right time.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2008 at 03:20
Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Originally posted by Hawkwise Hawkwise wrote:

All of them Heavy Mental Rubbish 


This post actually made me laugh, for all the wrong reasons.
I think if only because it completely broke up the serious arguments at exactly the right time.



Would've made a nice 1000th post for Hawkwise - unfortunately it was his 999th....

Anyway, let's get back on topic here - this is a poll on Metallica albums, not another thread for discussing the validitiy of their inclusion. We already have one of those.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2008 at 12:23
Originally posted by MaidenMadness MaidenMadness wrote:

that is all. there is no more. however the fact that some faggy ass pop rock/nu metal band called metallica as well has been releasing albums since 1991 has a lot of people confused into thinking its the same band when in fact they are two completely different bands



 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2008 at 12:44
Of course Angelo already addressed his poor word choice.

Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

...However, I suggest you keep an eye on the kind of language you use on these forums. Calling people names, or using words that don't pass our auto-censor function (the **** in your previous posts) don't work to your advantage. You are fully entitle to an opinion, and to presenting it, as long as you stick to arguments. If that's to hard, we'll know what exit to show you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2008 at 16:00
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2008 at 03:46
Hai guyz, letz find whuever influencd xMetallicax and add them 2 prog-related-related!! *snort* *chuckle*

And are there any other bands that Metallica supposedly influenced besides Dream Theater? I want band names and song titles or they don't exist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2008 at 05:56
Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:


And are there any other bands that Metallica supposedly influenced besides Dream Theater? I want band names and song titles or they don't exist.


Not sure why you've chosen this as a personal crusade.  Nevertheless, I'll answer your question:  Opeth.  Both Akerfeldt and Lindgren have cited Metallica as a major influence.  It's not musically obvious, of course (there is the case of Orchid, but the twin-guitar harmonies are probably due more directly to the Gothenburg sound than Metallica (although the latter surely influenced the former).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2008 at 08:24
Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:

Hai guyz, letz find whuever influencd xMetallicax and add them 2 prog-related-related!! *snort* *chuckle*
 
Well the list is incredibly long - Metallica had a huge range of influences, as did the early Prog bands - so this approach really isn't viable.
 
Besides, we don't add every band that influenced Classic Prog bands - we'd be up to our necks in folk, jazz and Classical artists and composers.
 
Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:


And are there any other bands that Metallica supposedly influenced besides Dream Theater? I want band names and song titles or they don't exist.
 
Again, the list is just too long to even begin - any band that uses the thrash technique and a complex approach to structuring (ie, most Prog Metal bands) can be said to be influenced by Metallica in some way, however distant.
 
The difficulty here is not finding a band influenced by Metallica, rather it's the other way around.
 
 
If a tree falls in a forest and you don't hear it, does that mean it doesn't make a sound?
 
*snort* *chuckle*


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2008 at 16:02
Ohhhhhhhhh, I get it! They have that sort of intangible yet omnipresent influence that can't be hammered-down exactly. I understand now. Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2008 at 16:11

can we go back to the topic???





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2008 at 17:17
Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:



And are there any other bands that Metallica supposedly influenced besides Dream Theater? I want band names and song titles or they don't exist.
A quick that comes into mind: Death - The sound of perseverance (whole album),
(also Nevermore in every album but they are not in PA)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2008 at 17:30
Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:

Hai guyz, letz find whuever influencd xMetallicax and add them 2 prog-related-related!! *snort* *chuckle*

And are there any other bands that Metallica supposedly influenced besides Dream Theater? I want band names and song titles or they don't exist.


Is this a ploy to lure someone into spewing forth a whole list of Progarchives' Dream Theater clones just so that you can then laugh at them for listening to Dream Theater clones? Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2008 at 02:38
Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:

Ohhhhhhhhh, I get it! They have that sort of intangible yet omnipresent influence that can't be hammered-down exactly. I understand now. Wink
 
It's completely tangible, as a matter of fact - so no, you don't understand!
 
Try again - and this time, use those flappy things either side of your head, and please try to connect it to the squidgy stuff that lies between them Wink
 
 
Originally posted by zafreth zafreth wrote:

can we go back to the topic???

 
When I'm having so much fun? Why? Tongue


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