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salmacis 
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 Posted: June 21 2008 at 15:51 |
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Well, some of those 'hair metal' acts made feeble attempts at going 'grunge'/'alternative' which actually made them less popular rather than more popular- there's a nostalgia market for those acts but only as a live entity and there don't seem to be too many newer acts carrying the baton of 'hair metal' either!
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mithrandir
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 15:55 |
 salmacis wrote:
- there's a nostalgia market for those acts but only as a live entity and there don't seem to be too many newer acts carrying the baton of 'hair metal' either! |
and thank goodness for that!
Edited by mithrandir - June 21 2008 at 15:55
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 16:00 |
don't we have anything better to do? 
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 16:05 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
BroSpence wrote:
Today the songs are without any catch, and are pretty much based on new slang terms which is even more stupid. |
Sure they do. Pocketful of Sunshine, Umbrella, and I Kissed A Girl are currently tormenting me because they are so abominably catchy.
False nostalgia is mostly what this thread is about. The state of the mainstream can change, but I don't think it has, at least not all that much.
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
What a shame that after all those centuries music died 2 decades ago. It had such a good run! |
Amen to that, mate.
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*facepalm* |
It would be hard to be more right than Plainview on this one.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 16:17 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
don't we have anything better to do?
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No.
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 16:39 |
Visitor13 wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
False nostalgia is mostly what this thread is about. The state of the mainstream can change, but I don't think it has, at least not all that much. |
Trip-hop, Britpop, drum & bass, grunge, nu-metal, "alternative", post-grunge, boy bands, "indie"... and the list of deplorable post-89 styles goes on. Why not hearken back to an age without these abominations?
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You a communist or something?
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Just a fan of real music, not new music.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 16:45 |
^Oh, because harmony, melody, rhythm, structure, timbre and texture just suddenly vanished from new music? 
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KoS
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 16:50 |
 You know that there is an on/off button on your radio. There are also devices like cd and mp3 players, so you can make your own little radio station. And that TV thingy, also has an on/off and channel changing button. Whoa, ain't technology great.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 16:53 |
KoS wrote:
You know that there is an on/off button on your radio.
There are also devices like cd and mp3 players, so you can make your own little radio station.
And that TV thingy, also has an on/off and channel changing button.
Whoa, ain't technology great.
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Enlarged for truth.
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 16:55 |
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Thank goodness for those filters. Otherwise, we'd be bombarded with a whole lot of troublesome modern noise.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 16:55 |
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laplace
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 16:57 |
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I can't believe people fall for Walter's shtick every time. ;P
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 16:59 |
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 17:26 |
salmacis wrote:
I'm not sure about that- the genre 'grunge' seems to me to be pretty much dead, save for Pearl Jam who are still plodding on (who I always found one of the most boring bands in the world!!). Its main influence that I can hear is on horrible bands like Nickelback and Puddle Of Mudd who diluted the original grunge sound. |
Grunge might be pretty much faded out right now, but its negative effects seem more or less irreversible. It's a pity that out of the styles it spawned, it was the generic mope-rock and not the modernized acid rock that got really popular. 
| I quite liked Nirvana and Soundgarden though. |
I don't hate grunge either... I just don't like what the music industry did to it and used it for, like as a template for which to turn the entire "alternative music" into a mass-market niche - the entire idea of what I described is so wretched that it's not even funny.
| It showed that whilst in recent years there was a lot of begrudging acclaim for albums by bands like Mastodon or even the more 'prog' ones like Opeth and Porcupine Tree, none of their albums featured in any of the 'best albums of the year' poll in any of the major UK magazines or newspapers. |
Even then, Mastodon I think are the epitome of the a band aimed at "generically alternative" people. You'll notice that a lot of real metalheads don't listen to them, and that's for a good reason.
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"The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook
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The T
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 19:38 |
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 19:52 |
Don't remind me 
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debrewguy
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 20:34 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
don't we have anything better to do?
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Nah, ephemera is always worth wasting time over.  Which reminds me, why aren't there any NEW Krautrock groups ? Is there a reason that the music industry is not churning out more Proto-Prog bands ? When raving about certain groups, could I use a term like "they are one of the top three Prog Related bands in the world today" ? If an Extreme/Tech metal band re-recorded an old Krautrock album, and an old Krautrock group covered a current Extreme/Tech Metal release, would anyone be able to determine which genre to label either with, or more distressing, what critical terms could you use to diss the one you don't like ? Would you know which one you like ? P.S. It all sounds like "Nobody likes us", "Everyone else but us has any no taste" all over again, and again, and again etc ............................................................. 
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 21:11 |
debrewguy wrote:
Which reminds me, why aren't there any NEW Krautrock groups ? Is there a reason that the music industry is not churning out more Proto-Prog bands ? When raving about certain groups, could I use a term like "they are one of the top three Prog Related bands in the world today" ? If an Extreme/Tech metal band re-recorded an old Krautrock album, and an old Krautrock group covered a current Extreme/Tech Metal release, would anyone be able to determine which genre to label either with, or more distressing, what critical terms could you use to diss the one you don't like ? Would you know which one you like ? |
What if Meshuggah went back in time, assassinated Tangerine Dream and took their place to play songs that sounded like AC/DC? What if their albums were produced by Hitler?
| P.S. It all sounds like "Nobody likes us", "Everyone else but us has any no taste" all over again, and again, and again etc ............................................................. |
The persecution complex some people on this forum have about prog is baffling. I've never met anyone who dislikes someone because they like "weird" music--yet we appear to dislike ardent pop fans because they are "mindless sheep". I've never met someone who isn't willing to give prog or whatever a shot, and they usually like at least some of it, despite all our strident claims of "inaccessibility"--yet did we listen to Kanye's new album?
Slartibartfast wrote:
don't we have anything better to do? 
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This is the internet. What do you think?
laplace wrote:
I can't believe people fall for Walter's shtick every time. ;P |
I try not to assume people are trolling. It improves the discussion. ;-)
KoS wrote:
You know that there is an on/off button on your radio.
There are also devices like cd and mp3 players, so you can make your own little radio station.
And that TV thingy, also has an on/off and channel changing button.
Whoa, ain't technology great.
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Sadly, some of us do not have that luxury while at work.
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Today, prog rock is seen as something only nerds listen to and people who don't like metal just laugh at it instead of fearing it. (and remember, fear implies respect) Why? Because grunge has usurped prog's place as the definition of intelligent rock and metal's place as the definition of angry young man rock. |
I think that's more because people realized that being afraid of a music genre is ridiculous. And if they do still want to be afraid, everyone has rap to hate now.
Also, I'm going to say right now that, even though it annoys the hell out of me, as a pop song, Pocketful of Sunshine is better than Kung Fu Fighting, to whomever it was who was trying to defend that song. Sunshine was stuck in my head after hearing it once, therefore it succeeded. Kung Fu Fighting is just ridiculous crap.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 03:37 |
debrewguy wrote:
Which reminds me, why aren't there any NEW Krautrock groups? |
There probably are, but you have to search long to find them. I actually have the feeling that when a krautrock revival happens we'll kinda regret wishing for it, because most of the resulting neo-kraut bands won't be worth listening to. (at least if the other waves of retro music are any indication)
| Is there a reason that the music industry is not churning out more Proto-Prog bands? |
Yes. The music industry is run by idiots. 
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"The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 03:46 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
Toaster Mantis wrote:
Today, prog rock is seen as something only nerds listen to and people who don't like metal just laugh at it instead of fearing it. (and remember, fear implies respect) Why? Because grunge has usurped prog's place as the definition of intelligent rock and metal's place as the definition of angry young man rock. |
I think that's more because people realized that being afraid of a music genre is ridiculous. And if they do still want to be afraid, everyone has rap to hate now. |
... and that annoys me too, rap and punk are still seen as legitimate form of subversive art even by people who don't like it - no, especially by people who don't like it (here in Denmark, conservatives are every bit as terrified by punk rockers as they were in the eighties!) - but metal's seen as a mildly amusing antiquity. To be fair, though, it seems like the Danish punk scene is much more dedicated to its principles than in the US, where I've heard punk is totally overran by Johnny-come-latelies who don't really understand it.
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"The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook
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