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Poll Question: Should album reviews only be accepted from Forum Members?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2005 at 11:50

I agree with Cert (there really should be a sucking-up emoticon).

I think the possibility to choose would be the best option (some people might only want to show their nick, or only their real name for privacy reasons, or other reasons).

I'm getting enthiousiastic about the re-vamp and the current additions/changes that have been made. very good work.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2005 at 11:58

Great job MaxClap

Agree with Cert, too.The name display should be compulsory but whether it be forum name or real name should be optional.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2005 at 13:06
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Great job MaxClap


Agree with Cert, too.The name display should be compulsory but whether it be forum name or real name should be optional.



I really think it should be the forum name. Or else the real name would link to your PM's in the forum. This would give the review (and the reviewer) some accountability. Certainly You or Cert would be accountable it is not so much for you but for others like the Bill Bruford lurker using Tony Banks reviews to tell us how great Bill Bruford is. At least the reader can contact the person doing so. Or if there is a question.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2005 at 13:56

It sounds very good, boys! About the nicknames: I have nothing to hide... Muy forum name is my real name!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2005 at 14:12

I would only want my forum name displayed in my reviews in ProgArchives, as it is at present. I am still accountable to the site owners by my e-mail address, a prerequisite of registration. I prefer to keep my real name off the site so that there is no correlation between my professional presence on Web sites and my personal presence on Web sites for hobby reasons (e.g. this site). I understand that this may not be an issue for some, but I would prefer to have just my forum name displayed. I don't want someone Googling my real name to find my professional Web site and instead finding ProgArchives (Not that I've got anything against ProgArchives, of course!).

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2005 at 14:34

Then, Forum Name (and Real Name optional) !

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2005 at 16:05
Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

Then, Forum Name (and Real Name optional) !

Thank you, M@X.

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2005 at 18:58

Well, I use my real name in the Reviews and my nick in the forum (Which is in fact part of my real name), mostly because I use the same nick in every forum I write, hope there's not a problem.

Iván

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2005 at 21:41
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Well, I use my real name in the Reviews and my nick in the forum (Which is in fact part of my real name), mostly because I use the same nick in every forum I write, hope there's not a problem.

Iván

And here I thought all this time your last name was 2068.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2005 at 00:22

Nope Gdub,that's the year I will die according to a psychic fiancee a friend had.  Even though I'm almost sure she is some kind of psycho more than a psychic.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2005 at 08:52
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Nope Gdub,that's the year I will die according to a psychic fiancee a friend had.  Even though I'm almost sure she is some kind of psycho more than a psychic.

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Talking about longevity...
Please forgive me for my crappy english!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2005 at 12:23

Quote Talking about longevity...

Well in her favour she didn't knew I smoke a package of Marlboro's every day.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2005 at 22:49

Speaking solely as a member (i.e., not officially), I voted "no," for two reasons.

First, as some have pointed out, there are plenty of good reviews by non-members - some as good or better than those written by members.  True, there will always be "gooks" who write bad reviews.  But I believe the decent, good and excellent ones way outweight the bad ones.

Second - and I'm sorry to have to point this out - there are plenty of members who do not write reviews, or write far too few.  Indeed, there are senior members and collaborators who are, sadly, surprisingly "lazy" in this regard.  (Sorry, guys...)

If we are going to allow only members to review albums, then I think it should be tied to a quota - and, no, I'm not kidding.  Those who think that only members should be writing reviews - especially those of you who are lazy in this regard (and there are far too many) - should have to "get off your duffs" and start writing a heck of a lot more reviews than you do.  Is this what you want?  Wouldn't that be fair?

Actually, I don't really care whether senior members and/or collaborators are lazy about reviewing.  Max has chosen not to institute a quota, despite my repeated suggestions in that regard.  And I respect his decision.

I would prefer to leave things status quo.  However, if so many of you are going to insist that only members write reviews, I would not support that unless a quota - on all of us - was instituted.

Peace.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2005 at 23:44
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

Speaking solely as a member (i.e., not officially), I voted "no," for two reasons.

First, as some have pointed out, there are plenty of good reviews by non-members - some as good or better than those written by members.  True, there will always be "gooks" who write bad reviews.  But I believe the decent, good and excellent ones way outweight the bad ones.

Second - and I'm sorry to have to point this out - there are plenty of members who do not write reviews, or write far too few.  Indeed, there are senior members and collaborators who are, sadly, surprisingly "lazy" in this regard.  (Sorry, guys...)

If we are going to allow only members to review albums, then I think it should be tied to a quota - and, no, I'm not kidding.  Those who think that only members should be writing reviews - especially those of you who are lazy in this regard (and there are far too many) - should have to "get off your duffs" and start writing a heck of a lot more reviews than you do.  Is this what you want?  Wouldn't that be fair?

Actually, I don't really care whether senior members and/or collaborators are lazy about reviewing.  Max has chosen not to institute a quota, despite my repeated suggestions in that regard.  And I respect his decision.

I would prefer to leave things status quo.  However, if so many of you are going to insist that only members write reviews, I would not support that unless a quota - on all of us - was instituted.

Peace.

interesting idea, the main reason i havent reviewed anything is that i find it hard to see an album i own which doesnt have a review which already almost perfectly fits my opinion of it. I always decide to start writing, but then i look at the reviews and find that any input I have to make isnt at all valueable.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2005 at 04:09

^ Think about it more like voting...the more people who say the same thing, the more the album will achieve its rightful position...whatever that may be. 

Also, there may be something specific about the way you say something that sticks in a reader's mind...even if it's essentially something other people have said before, your choice of words or particular interpretation may be the one that helps them decide if the album is for them (or not).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2005 at 07:42

 

 

I am not sure I have been 100% clear with my vision of this ....
Let's try harder!

The facts

  • We all know that the FORUM, MP3 and REVIEWS are the main features @ progarchives.com
  • We all know that there a lot of weird reviews by non-collaborators ( non-forum members)
  • We currently have 2 kind of membership (Forum, Collaborators Login) this can be a "mixer" sometimes
  • We want more and more serious forum members and more and more serious reviewer (PROG REVIEWER ultimately)
  • We want to limit the download of mp3 (band songs) to members ( no to drive too much attention to PROGARCHIVES.com by RIAA.
  • We want to increase the interactions between reviewers and forum members.
  • We now have a lot of reviews, maybe 75% of albums are rated

The question is ...

What can we do, to :

  1. Have a one step registration for all the site (one nickname for reviews and same for posting)
  2. Increase the number of serious reviews
  3. Increase the number of serious forum members
  4. Limit the downloads and reviews to members
  5. Increase the interactions between reviewers and forum members (a kind of comments this review in the FORUM, or a AGREE or DISAGREE with review features)

Nothing will change radically, this will be pratically has is it right now, but instead of reviewing an album with your email only, you will have to enter a password in extra (if have not previously logged in the FORUM). People will only need to REGISTER to PROGARCHIVES.COM before reviewing. And with this registration they will be able to post also in the FORUM and download mp3s...

All current review will still be available , we are only "brainstormin" on the futurs reviews...

Please I need more comments guys...

 

 

 

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2005 at 07:43

I also agree that the reviews should be kept open to everyone. I think that a good part of us would've not become Collaborators if the Archives had not been open to everyone. Max approached me on the second or third day of my reviewing (early febr 04) and I gave a resounding YES the following week. I stayed away from the forum much longer registering in september 04 and actually started participating some five weeks ago. We seem to be fairly careful and conscious enough reporting abusive reviews and Max@ does a fine job deleting them. As Usual Maani says some very good things about reviews being written by others than members.

I agree with the members using their real names on reviews and nicknames on the Forum. It seems the logical way. But I do find it useful to link the nicknames to the real names. It turns out that some of those writings reviews were also the more useful and informative forum members.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2005 at 14:58

Maani, "Sean",

My understanding is that no restriction on who can submit reviews is being proposed . I think there may be an element of confusion about "membership". This as I understand it does not mean you need to be a prog reviewer or similar before you are allowed to post a review.

All that is being proposed is that before you can post a review for the first time, you register with the site, in the same way as you already have to do with the forum. I would imagine that once you have done so, the use of cookies will ensure that you don't need to sign in every time, once again as per the forum.

This would clearly not remove the facility for anyone who wishes to to submit a review. It just offers a little bit more control over abuse.

Maani, when you talk about "members" I think you are referring to the prog reviewers etc. who's names are listed as collaborators. That is a differnt thing to the "membership" being suggested here. Are your views any different in view of Max' subsequent clarrification, and the reassurance that no one will be left out?

I think the idea of quotas is treading on dangerous ground. The carrot approach is usually better than the stick!Wink

Hugues, I agree about the usefulness of being able to link reviewer names to forum ID's. There are some though who for their own valid reasons wish to remain annonymous in the forum.

Hangedman, A simple solution. Write your reviews before you read the others! So what if your opinion is similar to someone elses, that happens a lot around here.LOL

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2005 at 15:13

 

Ok M@x here goes,

 

How about a loose minimum standard of what a review should be?  That does not mean anything about the content but the Review should:


A. Be about the album you are reviewing (Not like the Radio head reviews that were basically forum discussions or like the Bill Bruford stalker doing Tony Banks Reviews)

B. Give a clear and concise definition of the album. (Historical information about the band is fine but don't make that your review)

And add a note that all reviews are subject to review by the forum administrators and will be removed if they are flaming in nature or deemed irrelevant as a review with an reminder that such things can be posted in the forums.

 



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