Pain Of Salvation

fandango wrote: colin007 wrote: daniel gildenlow is the mariah carey of prog music. and i love it!!!! BTW, to the ones that are bashing eminem, why dont you give rapping a try and see if you dont sound like a complete ass.  rapping takes talent, and is just as valid a form of music as prog is.  there is no "good" or "bad" when it comes to music, there are only preferences... Hey Colin, I think you've got lost and found yourself in the wrong forum... here you are amongst a group of mild mannered lentil eating hippies who wear loud waistcoats and cords... sadly not a baseball cap, tattoo, jump suit, item of jewellery or bad attitude anywhere in sight... here we are completely BLING free!

 

did you read what i said?

i said that i love DG, his singing, his compositions, everything! 

i like a lot of prog music (thats why im here) but i am also open minded enough to realize that rap, metal, country, folk, r & b, blues, any type of music you can come up w/ is just as valid and musical as the "almighty prog".  prog is no better than any other type or gengre of music.  it just cannot be argued.  i am not saying that i listen to all those other genres i listed.  like i said before, i listen to mostly prog.  what i am saying is that there is value in ALL forms of music.

uh, the whole point of music is that its subjective.  and the fact that one form may take more "talent" is meaningless.  theres no such thing as good or bad music, its just what appeals to you.  that doesnt make other music "bad", does it?  BTW, can you rap?  rapping takes talent.  (BTW, just so you know, i am NOT a fan of rap.)

what do you think of daniel gildenlow "rapping" (more of a "rap-core" style) in Used?

SomethingGood wrote: i agree with colin007 to a certain extent... just because you don't think some music is good, doesn't mean it isn't good. i can appreciate that eminem is talented and i can see why his music appeals to many people. that said... i personally can't stand it.

 

thats exactly what im saying.  im not saying you have to like it (like i said, i dont), just dont think that its a "lesser" form of musical expression.

colin007 wrote: uh, the whole point of music is that its subjective.  and the fact that one form may take more "talent" is meaningless.  theres no such thing as good or bad music, its just what appeals to you.  that doesnt make other music "bad", does it?  BTW, can you rap?  rapping takes talent.  (BTW, just so you know, i am NOT a fan of rap.) what do you think of daniel gildenlow "rapping" (more of a "rap-core" style) in Used?

Rapping takes as much talent lyrically as any other genre, the only tricky part is rhythm, which isn't terribly challenging. Daniel Gildenlow didn't really rap so much as he spoke the lyrics. Rapping is usually done in a certain rhythm, and he had none.

Anyway, music can be bad. If something with one note as a melody and terribly written lyrics with no taste incorporated comes around, it's bad music. There are few examples of this, but occasionally there is an artist with no skills and no business making music. Eminem isn't really an example though, his music isn't bad.

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Pain of Salvation is an incredible band, and The Perfect Element holds a special place in my heart...Remedy Lane is also an amazing album.  I think the band reached its apex with those two masterpieces.  I like BE, but it doesnt have the soul of other PoS releases and i think that Daniel focused too much on cocept while ignoring his incredible talent to make great music.  But when it gets down to it, I would say Pain of Salvation is my favorite band and i cant wait to see them play sometime in the states.  I can see how some people wouldn't like them, as they are a very aquired taste.  But i like it that way...i dont think people who listen to 50 Cent and Fat Joe deserve to hear Pain of Salvation...

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colin007 wrote: goose wrote: ? im referring to the elitist mentality here and the absurd notion that music can be good or bad.

Yeah, anyone who thinks there are at least some standards for music are elitest and stupid right?

colin007 wrote: DavidInsabella wrote: Yeah, anyone who thinks there are at least some standards for music are elitest and stupid right? basically. its like food.  is there good or bad food?  yeah, theres junk food, but there is nothing inherently wrong with it, as long as you eat in moderation.  would it make sense to say "food x is bad."?  and w/ music, there is no good or bad.  just cos you dont like it doesnt make it bad.

So if I ate food that tasted like dung and gave me indigestion, I couldn't say it was bad food?

What if it's a genre you like, are well-read, love huge amounts of it but can't stand this one book?

I think there can be honestly bad music. Examples are these teen stars who think they can sing, and even get caught lip syncing, and still manage to sell records. Or people who have famous Dads/Brothers/Sisters who have their foor in the door even though they dont have a lick a talent, and their music is sincerely BAD. Theres no way around it, sh*te like lindsay lohan and ashlee simpson is horrible, horrible music that is made simply for commercial success, nothing else. Sure.. people listen to it, but then they hit puberty.

I respect talent in all genres, but i know genuinely BAD music when i hear it.

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