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Winter Wine
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Posted: December 23 2005 at 07:27 |
[/QUOTE]So if people have different opinions to you, they are wrong!? Are you suggesting people who like Genesis music are somehow less sincere or inferior?
There are safeguards in place to prevent multiple ratings by the same person.
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I am a genesis fan!!!! a huge one!! trouble is most people seem to think its impossible to like many bands all at the same time !!
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Winter Wine
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Posted: December 23 2005 at 07:33 |
[/QUOTE]Heck guys and girls, the Top 100 is only a bit of fun, don't get so hung up if you're favourite album isn't ranked as high as you'd like! ...'course, it's easy for me to say that, as Close to the Edge always has been my favourite album..... ...seriously though I've found it useful/interesting to see what fans views are about the "best" album by a particular band (e.g. SEBTP is ranked higher than Foxtrot), and also to see some albums in there that maybe I haven't heard (actually there are quite a few!). Maybe if people are that hung up on it PA should allow, a la Amazon, people to post their own lists that are featured in some way, not just on a thread but maybe one member's list is featured as a "headline" each week, allowing other members to comment/criticise/ridicule?! How about it? [/QUOTE]
Thats a great idea!! i tried to get idea to people at the start of my post, but people took what i said a bit too seriously and condemned me as a blasphemer
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: December 23 2005 at 07:35 |
The main problem is that many people take that list too seriously. Just look at it as a suggestion for newbies. It is NOT POSSIBLE to make this an accurate list which is immune to any kind of manipulation.
The point is: If a prog newbie would go ahead and buy all the albums from that list, that would be a decent collection. It doesn't matter if a particular album is in the top 10, top 20 or just top 90 ...
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Norm Cash
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Posted: December 23 2005 at 09:46 |
As I've said in previous threads, I think MikeEnRegalia has done a terrific job in compiling the algorithms for the PA "Chart". It's certainly a valid piece of work, as well as being fun.
My only suggestion for improvement would be that we have a second, "current" chart, in addtion to the "All-Time" one currently posted. Couldn't this be done by simply omitting any reviews older than, say, 90 days?
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: December 23 2005 at 09:50 |
Norm Cash wrote:
As I've said in previous threads, I think MikeEnRegalia has done a terrific job in compiling the algorithms for the PA "Chart". It's certainly a valid piece of work, as well as being fun.
My only suggestion for improvement would be that we have a second, "current" chart, in addtion to the "All-Time" one currently posted. Couldn't this be done by simply omitting any reviews older than, say, 90 days?
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Thanks! Well, personally I would fancy a number of different charts, which focus on different aspects. New releases, few ratings only, many ratings only, avg rating only, n_of_ratings only ... and maybe one chart that only uses collabs ratings, and one that only uses non-collabs ratings.
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Winter Wine
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Posted: December 23 2005 at 10:01 |
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Thanks! Well, personally I would fancy a number of different charts, which focus on different aspects. New releases, few ratings only, many ratings only, avg rating only, n_of_ratings only ... and maybe one chart that only uses collabs ratings, and one that only uses non-collabs ratings.
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Thats the kind of idea i was going for maybe if there was a huge selection of albums that had been reviewed over 50 times or so then just count the first 50, it'd be very interesting
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Losendos
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Posted: December 23 2005 at 17:05 |
chopper wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Losendos wrote:
The list is interesting but I doubt it does justice. I agree with those pundits who say that Brain Salad Surgery is rated too lowly . It definetely derseves a top 10 spot.It is way superior to In the Court of the Crimson King which seems to be there only for nostalgic reasons. Now another point might be that some prog albums by non prog bands could rate quite highly on the list. Sabbath Bloody sabbath is one that comes to mind.
I have never felt that any of the top 10 deserved the tag best prog album of all time. I find they all have shortcomings . My vote for the best prog album of all time would go to Abbey Road.
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and you think that your opinion reflects that of the majority? Sorry, I don't think so.
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Me neither. Abbey Road isn't a prog album by any stretch of the imagination.
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If Supertramp Queen and the Moody Blues can be labelled prog then Abbey Road also fits in the category of pop/prog.Also I never said that my opinion was a majority particularly on this list.
But if you gave Abbey Road ,Dark Side of the Moon ,Close to the Edge and Selling england bythe Pound to a 1000 random music fans and asked them to state their favorite it would be decided between Dark Side of the Moon and Abbey Road.
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Posted: December 23 2005 at 17:21 |
Losendos wrote:
chopper wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Losendos wrote:
The list is interesting but I doubt it does justice. I
agree with those pundits who say that Brain Salad Surgery is rated too
lowly . It definetely derseves a top 10 spot.It is way superior to In
the Court of the Crimson King which seems to be there only for
nostalgic reasons. Now another point might be that some prog
albums by non prog bands could rate quite highly on the list. Sabbath
Bloody sabbath is one that comes to mind.
I have never felt that any of the top 10 deserved the tag
best prog album of all time. I find they all have shortcomings . My vote for the best prog album of all time would go to Abbey Road.
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and you think that your opinion reflects that of the majority? Sorry, I don't think so.
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Me neither. Abbey Road isn't a prog album by any stretch of the imagination.
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prog then Abbey Road also fits in the category of pop/prog.Also I never
said that my opinion was a majority particularly on this list.
But if you gave Abbey Road ,Dark Side of the Moon ,Close to the Edge
and Selling england bythe Pound to a 1000 random music fans and
asked them to state their favorite it would be
decided between Dark Side of the Moon and Abbey Road. |
If Abbey Road did come out on top amongst 1000 random music fans, then
that would definitely discount it from being a prog album!
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Posted: December 24 2005 at 04:29 |
Losendos wrote:
If Supertramp Queen and the Moody Blues can be labelled prog then Abbey Road also fits in the category of pop/prog.Also I never said that my opinion was a majority particularly on this list.
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Queen are in the Prog-Related category. That means that they're "not really" prog for most people.
Losendos wrote:
But if you gave Abbey Road ,Dark Side of the Moon ,Close to the Edge and Selling england bythe Pound to a 1000 random music fans and asked them to state their favorite it would be decided between Dark Side of the Moon and Abbey Road.
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Make that "1000 random prog music fans", and I'm not so sure of the outcome. I'm sure that from those choices, CttE would win easily. Having said that, I wonder why Selling England is that popular here ... maybe there IS a secret conspiracy!![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Losendos
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Posted: December 24 2005 at 06:28 |
Make that "1000 random prog music fans", and I'm not so sure of the outcome. I'm sure that from those choices, CttE would win easily.
Agreed if each Yes fan is allowed the usual 30 votes :)
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Having said that, I wonder why Selling England is that popular here ... maybe there IS a secret conspiracy!![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
can't work that out either. Might be the same Genesis fan voting 30 times
For me Fragile and RElayer are preferable from the Yes catalogue
and Foxtrot and The Lamb are preferable from the Genesis catalogue
In fact this list has provided me more than a few surprises
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Posted: December 24 2005 at 12:11 |
What disturbs me is why Brain Salad Surgery is not higher than in the Court of the Crimson King. ITCOTCK is probabley there only for the reason that it invented prog, the quality of the album itself set aside. ITCOTCK has 'Moonchild', which is is 10 minutes of the worst filler ever imagined. Brain Salad Surgery's weak side is 'Benny the Bouncer', which is only two minutes. You could also make a case for Still You Turn me On, but it is not 'bad' or 'filler', its usually regarded as a great tune. Even so, that dosn't measusre up to the length of moonchilds noodling. So therefore BSS should be higher than King Crimson debut.
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Winter Wine
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Posted: December 24 2005 at 12:15 |
The Wizard wrote:
What disturbs me is why Brain Salad Surgery is not higher than in the Court of the Crimson King. ITCOTCK is probabley there only for the reason that it invented prog, the quality of the album itself set aside. ITCOTCK has 'Moonchild', which is is 10 minutes of the worst filler ever imagined. Brain Salad Surgery's weak side is 'Benny the Bouncer', which is only two minutes. You could also make a case for Still You Turn me On, but it is not 'bad' or 'filler', its usually regarded as a great tune. Even so, that dosn't measusre up to the length of moonchilds noodling. So therefore BSS should be higher than King Crimson debut. |
I agree 100%. brain salad is far superior to itcotck!!! and benny the bouncer isn't bad either ![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
i think itcotck is up that high due to nostalgia. thats my honest view on it. i like the record tho ![](smileys/smiley9.gif)
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Posted: December 27 2005 at 13:52 |
I swear I just saw Selling England by the Pound ahead of Close to the Edge at #1, and now it's back to normal ...curious.
btw, first post! ![](smileys/smiley1.gif)
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Winter Wine
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Posted: December 27 2005 at 14:00 |
Menack wrote:
I swear I just saw Selling England by the Pound ahead of Close to the Edge at #1, and now it's back to normal ...curious.
btw, first post! ![](smileys/smiley1.gif)
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Welcome! and Close to the edge should stay in number one!!
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Posted: December 27 2005 at 14:17 |
There's been a couple of reviews of SEBTP in the last 24 hours, they could affect the positions.
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Winter Wine
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Posted: December 27 2005 at 14:21 |
Speaking if which, can someone tell why Queen II was in the top 100 a few days ago, but now even though there was no new reviews of the album it's gone??
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Posted: December 27 2005 at 14:31 |
LOL ... it seems like we have some "chart-gremlins" at work here ... funny little creatures!
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Winter Wine
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Posted: December 27 2005 at 14:42 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
LOL ... it seems like we have some "chart-gremlins" at work here ... funny little creatures!![](smileys/smiley2.gif) |
Ba*****s!! I thought it was great finally seein' them there!
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Posted: December 27 2005 at 16:30 |
Easy Livin wrote:
There's been a couple of reviews of SEBTP in the last 24 hours, they could affect the positions. |
..breaking prog news,you heard it here first folks on the one and only channel 5461 'the hip sound of prog'![](smileys/smiley4.gif)
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Posted: December 27 2005 at 16:43 |
Winter Wine wrote:
Speaking if which, can someone tell why Queen II was in the top 100 a few days ago, but now even though there was no new reviews of the album it's gone?? |
Well it could of course be that the albums which replaced it were reviewed or rated without review.
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