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Poll Question: which band do punks hate the most
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36 [52.17%]
6 [8.70%]
9 [13.04%]
1 [1.45%]
0 [0.00%]
7 [10.14%]
2 [2.90%]
0 [0.00%]
6 [8.70%]
2 [2.90%]
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2005 at 07:34
yes and joy division was a really great punk band, they really were progressive ( not prog rock )
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2005 at 07:42
Originally posted by Hemispheres Hemispheres wrote:

Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

ELP? That's what I voted. But you know... I remembered that the Sex Pistols' lead singer Johnny Rotten actually owned a T-shirt with the text: "I HATE PINK FLOYD!"

Are u sure it was actually rotten because i just watched the movie the filth and the fury and i saw Paul Cook the drummer wearing that shirt

No, I think I really did read that it was Johnny Rotten, but either my sources or my memory could be wrong

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2005 at 07:46

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Actually, you're both right - the defaced t shirt was originally altered and worn by Rotten, but it was Paul Cook who wore it during the notorious Bill Grundy interview which is shown on The Filth and the Fury.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2005 at 07:54
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Actually, you're both right - the defaced t shirt was originally altered and worn by Rotten, but it was Paul Cook who wore it during the notorious Bill Grundy interview which is shown on The Filth and the Fury.

Actually Rotten went on record years later saying he actually loved Floyd but that T-shirt was worn as an attitude statement , to get more controversy happening which worked quite well with the SMBWMP (Stupid Mindless Brutish Weekly Musical Press)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2005 at 08:35

I asked the only punk I know and he said Rush just shaded Yes to the title.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2005 at 08:52
Erm... Excuse me for saying this, but... I really love punk rock, and i love prog too!!! Indeed, i think both genres are closely related: same meaning (to wipe out every preconception about what music is/ should be), different means. Just as war and politics...

I've chosen ELP since they represent all the things i dislike about prog rock: instrumental technique prevailing over feeling, pointless virtuosity, pompous and too cryptic lyrics... I respect them, however, the same way i respect Sham 69: i don't like what they do, but it's their thing.

But lemme tell you something: i'm presently listening to VDG's "Vital" ("Pioneers over C") and it sounds noisy and chaotic enough to scare the sh*t out of the most die-hard punks i know. I've tested it, and it works! Dead Kennedys? Nah! A little Hammill and they'll run like rabbits! Besides, our dear Mr K was the first guy to use the word "punk rock" to define his music..."Nadir's Big Chance", anyone?

Finally, quoting the mentioned song, "the lost ones, the pioneers" are the people who keep rock music alive and kicking. Syd Barrett, Fripp, Wyatt, John Lydon... Forget your prejudices and enjoy!!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2005 at 09:07

Another shameless plug for the new VdGG book (the book is nothing at all to do with me, its become essential reading though, love it!)...

The book mentions that John Lydon was a fan of Hammill's, not only liking 'Nadirs big chance' but also liking anothe one of his solo albums (Over). Anyone ever listening to this album will know its all about Hammill's breakup from his long term girlfriend and is as far away from punk as could be imagined.

Lydon attended a number of VdGG concerts and had a number of discussions with Hammill.

Ever the rebel though Lydon told Hammill he was a 'middle class c**t'.

I think a lot of this punk being anti prog was stirred up not by the punk muscians but by the svengalis behind them (Malcolm Mclaren and the like). Its just the sort of thing Peter Grant would have done if he were in the same position; to get maximum exposure for their band.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2005 at 09:09

   I listen prog.They don`t .Beceuse they don`t understand it and don`t want to.

   My friend likes punk,hard-rock,metal.He says that prog-rock is too difficult to listen

   to him.Still he thinks that these band that I listen are kind of cool.(likes Genesis)

   But Metallica and Guns N` Roses are cooler to him     

Frank Zappa,Pink Floyd,Yes,Genesis,Rush,King Crimson,Jethro Tull,E.L.P,Rick Wakeman -They have one similarity-    I Love Them all !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2005 at 20:40

Quote Actually Rotten went on record years later saying he actually loved Floyd but that T-shirt was worn as an attitude statement

Good quote Sean, this proves that this guys were just coffe shop revolutionaries, he loves Pink Floyd but uses a T-Shirt saying I hate Pink Floyd, just to prove how agressive he is, please, this is plain stupid.

Just because I'm a Prog fan I won't use an I hate Fleetwood Mac or Meatloaf shirts because I also love both bands

BTW: Have you ever seen any Prog artist with something similar like a T-shirt I hate XXXXXX, if you're confident in your work you shouldn't care of what anybody else does.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2005 at 21:34

Exactly Ivan you have "hit the nail on the head" 

IMO the whole punk movement or whatever it is called is pretty much a load of BS, that the world could have done without( I suppose im not saying anything new here)

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If anyone knows where I can get a copy of some Flute and Voice (Indo-Prog/Raga Rock) albums please PM me! Many thanks!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2005 at 22:10

To add som points to my opinion about Punk being a poser movement, just read this quotes:

Quote To his peers — and even his bandmates — Vicious was something of a sad sack, deficient in both intelligence and common sense, essentially a sweet soul easily led into stupidity and flights of egomania. Despite the Sex Pistols reputation for amateurish musicianship (often supported by subpar live bootlegs), everyone in the band could play their instruments — everyone, that is, except Vicious, who made a valiant effort to learn the bass at first but was quickly derailed by the instant gratifications of fame, stardom, and heroin addiction. Not only was Vicious musically talentless, but The Pistols vision had virtually nothing to do with him: he wasn't even present when much of the group's material was conceived and written, and Johnny Rotten was largely responsible for the controversial lyrics and attitude that built their reputation. Vicious' presence did contribute a certain dangerous energy to the Pistols performances, but his unreliability as a rhythm section anchor could just as easily hurt the band's live sound.

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Simply unbelievable, and they have the balls to call Prog musicians and fans drug addicts?

Quote Sid was a member of the Pistols despite the fact he couldn't play a note - remember it was the talented Glen Matlock who played bass on the classic Never Mind The Bollocks - and his only value to them was his supposed shock value.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/manchester/music/2004/02/09/too_fast.sh tml 

For God's sake, this is simply stupid, you fire a talented bassist, not to hire a better one but a guy who can't play?

Quote February 1977 Glen Matlock left the group. His replacement was the before mentioned Sid Vicious who first had to learn how to play bass!  

http://www.sex-pistols.net/main.html 

All this quotes only to ask, does any band in the world except this sad posers would hire a sub-normal, talentless pseudo musician who couldn't play a note just to keep an image?

And this are their icons?????

Why should we even care which band they hated if this guys said they hated everything?????

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