Most Hated Prog Bands From Punks
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Topic: Most Hated Prog Bands From Punks
Posted By: Hemispheres
Subject: Most Hated Prog Bands From Punks
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:40
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worst prog band from a punks perspective ------------- [IMG]http://www.wheresthatfrom.com/avatars/miguelsanchez.gif">[IMG]http://www.rockphiles.com/all_images/Act_Images/TheMothersOfInvention/mothers300.jpg"> |
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:41
From a punk perspective.....probably ALL of them -------------  |
Posted By: Hemispheres
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:43
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lol i would hafe to say ELP ------------- [IMG]http://www.wheresthatfrom.com/avatars/miguelsanchez.gif">[IMG]http://www.rockphiles.com/all_images/Act_Images/TheMothersOfInvention/mothers300.jpg"> |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:47
Punk try to kill progressive rock in the 70`s, I bet they didn`t know prog wouldn`t stay down for long ... long live progressive rock  
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:47
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I DONT HAVE IDEA... I DONT KNOW PUNKS MIND BUT AGREED WITH PROGTOLOGIST MAYBE ALL OF THEM ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:49
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I chose Tull. Folk is definitely not cool in the punk world. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:49
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Johnny Rotten was a big fan of VDGG/Hammill, The Damned were major Soft Machine enthusiasts and Jello Biafra is into Magma. Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd were also popular with the early UK punks, and Daevid Allen's Floating Anarchy tour attracted a bizarre punk/hippy audience, plus Steve Hillage jammed onstage with Sham 69 and formed a lasting friendship with Jimmy Pursey. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:53
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Genesis probably ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:58
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Be sure to excluded the following....
Roxy Music Van Der Graaf Generator/Peter Hammill Can Neu! Faust
Charles
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TheProgtologist wrote:Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:58
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nah...ELP is the one most Punks hate; they were also John Peel's most disliked group... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:59
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Post Gabriel probably...
Charles ------------- G'day |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:00
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With no doubt ELP and Yes, where the 2 most hated. KC and VDGG where probobly 2 of the more respected, from what i have undrestod. but im no expert... ------------- 
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Posted By: Hemispheres
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:03
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Biafra like Magma i guess i can kind of see the influence thats pretty cool Dead Kennedys are one of my fav bands i also read that Steve Hillage was good friends with Joe Strummer. ------------- [IMG]http://www.wheresthatfrom.com/avatars/miguelsanchez.gif">[IMG]http://www.rockphiles.com/all_images/Act_Images/TheMothersOfInvention/mothers300.jpg"> |
Posted By: daghrastubfari
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:07
| probably ELP, as they are the most pompous of them |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:09
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It's a tossup between Tull and ELP. I had to go with Tull... Fragile
DT's right, folk is definitely not cool with the punks. Then again,
neither's classical...
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Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:11
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Joy Division.. Peter Hook worshipped Hawkwind and cites Lemmy as his major influence... Ian Curtis was responsible for introducing the band to Kraftwerk... Barney Sumner loved David Bowie and also cites Phil Manzanera of Roxy Music as one of his influences... Stephen Morris had many influences on his drumming, but the Jaki Leibeizeit influence is obvious... Charles ------------- G'day |
Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:16
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Despite Johnny Rotten's imfamous "I hate Pink Floyd" shirt, he is not the prog hater that he potraited himself to be, while he could not get into Genesis (I read a quote that he listened to The Lamb and fell asleep) he really liked the disjointed non symphonic bands the most... Kraut-rock bands usually have a lot in common with Punk bands...
Charles ------------- G'day |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:21
The list could go on and on - the big symphonic bands were not too popular among punks, but plenty of the more experimental prog acts were popular among the first wave of punk bands even if they didn't talk about it much in interviews - Zappa's more song based albums were popular, and Beefheart was almost as essential as the Velvet Underground. Henry Cow met future member of bands like the Buzzcocks and the Fall on their final UK tour. Punk was more a reaction against the distancing of acts like The Who, The Roliing Stones, The Faces and The Kinks from their roots than it was against prog - despite what the hacks in the UK music press would have you believe. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: sm sm
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:26
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It was the lazy music press that tried to kill prog. Trying to critique prog is like trying to critique classical or jazz. It takes a lot more effort to analyse a composition than a 3 minute song with words you can easily disiminate. When they glorified punk and new wave as anyone can play, they also meant anyone can critique it as well. With punk it was more time spent in the pub and less time working. |
Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:29
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Punk was more a reaction against the distancing of acts like The Who, The Roliing Stones, The Faces and The Kinks from their roots than it was against prog - despite what the hacks in the UK music press would have you believe.
I remember reading in a magazine and then a special which mentioned this same exact thing, the Kinks were becoming conceptual, The Stones were doing Disco, The Who were becoming more bombastic... Peter Weller is one of the few musicians associaited with the Punk movement, that cared for any Symphonis band... He bought Steve Hackett's Mellotron. Guest appeared on a few of Peter Gabriel's solo albums....
Mark E. Smith asides for Can, loved Syd Barrett, and early Pink Floyd Charles ------------- G'day |
Posted By: Politician
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:29
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ELP. A lot of punks would be able to relate to harder-edged stuff like
AMON DÜÜL II or HAWKWIND, or even something like CATAPILLA (since Anna Meek's vocals so closely resemble Johnny Rotten's in parts!), but I can't see them ever liking ELP. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:31
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ELP? That's what I voted. But you know... I remembered that the Sex Pistols' lead singer Johnny Rotten actually owned a T-shirt with the text: "I HATE PINK FLOYD!"
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:31
The Damned were into Soft Machine!!?? blimey I voted for ELP, because they were seen as the most pretentious. |
Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:33
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Oh yeah as for who I voted for definitely was ELP, and I remember the music media also cite songs like Bohemian Rhapsody amongst the biggest offenders...
Charles ------------- G'day |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:39
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Yes, Queen was also a target. I read in a Dutch music magazine that Johnny Rotten once met Freddy Mercury, and that Johnny said: "Well, Fred, you've really introduced ballet to the masses, haven't you?" and that Freddy said indifferently: "We try, mr. Wild Man, we try"
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:45
I also read that Mercury got on quite well with Sid Vicious (The Pistols and Queen were recording in adjacent studios - the mind fairly boggles) and would greet him with a camply drawled 'Good morning, Mr Ferocious, and how are you today?' Even more bizarre was Ian Anderson getting asked for an autograph by Johnny Ramone. Anderson checked out the Ramone's show and greatly admired the way they got straight to the point. Captain Sensible talked about his admiration for Soft Machine in the Q/Mojo prog special. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:46
 Man, I miss Freddy. ------------- Pure Brilliance:
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Posted By: Hemispheres
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:48
Are u sure it was actually rotten because i just watched the movie the filth and the fury and i saw Paul Cook the drummer wearing that shirt ------------- [IMG]http://www.wheresthatfrom.com/avatars/miguelsanchez.gif">[IMG]http://www.rockphiles.com/all_images/Act_Images/TheMothersOfInvention/mothers300.jpg"> |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:51
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I voted Pink Floyd but could be any or all. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 16:04
I think The Pogues, Flogging Molly and a fair few other groups might disagree with you there. |
Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 16:04
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Are u sure it was actually rotten because i just watched the movie the filth and the fury and i saw Paul Cook the drummer wearing that shirt
Speaking of Paul Cook, the numbskulls at All Music Guide still think that Paul Cook formerly of IQ was the same drummer from the Sex Pistols......
Charles ------------- G'day |
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 16:06
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if you look at it maybe the punks didn't hate prog as much after all. Maybe they wanted to do something different. Ever think of that? The punks were just as revolutionary as the proggers, even though prog is still the superior music . -------------  
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Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 16:07
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Although Tears For Fears is more on New Wave side, the song "I Believe" was dedicated to Robert Wyatt... And both also list Peter Hammill as seminal influences... As do Martin Gore of Deche Mode... ------------- G'day |
Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 16:20
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I recall ELP got the biggest bashing at the time. Didn't UK Subs come
up with 'Bus fare for the common man' as their response to 'fanfare....' ------------- Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005 |
Posted By: Jeremy Bender
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 16:21
A couple of months ago (New York) on PBS was a documentary on the Ramones. Johnny Ramone said that he liked ELP and they showed a one minute clip of vintage ELP. He decided that he could never be a musician of their caliber.
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 17:05
Damn good point. ------------- Pure Brilliance:
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Posted By: Gentle Tull
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 17:16
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I chose Pink Floyd. Punks need everything quick and simple. Pink floyd was very slow. ------------- 
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Posted By: zabriskiepoint
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 17:23
| Peter Hamill invented punk in one of his solo albums, the one which has the cover of his face, split in two. |
Posted By: Hemispheres
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 17:35
But Pink Floyd Were one of the less Complex Prog Bands still complex though ------------- [IMG]http://www.wheresthatfrom.com/avatars/miguelsanchez.gif">[IMG]http://www.rockphiles.com/all_images/Act_Images/TheMothersOfInvention/mothers300.jpg"> |
Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 17:39
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Be very careful when mentioning that.... The Who in the Mid Sixties, MC5, Roxy Music, The New York Dolls, Iggy Pop all predate Peter Hammill...
Charles ------------- G'day |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 18:05
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Punk must die ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: sbrushfan
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 18:16
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I know that punks hated prog, but you'd have thought that they'd have been bedfellows. After all, they WERE groundbreaking...and no one had heard anything of the sort when either genre came about. BTW...what was the first punk album? The 1st prog album? ------------- Some world views are spacious, and some are merely spaced... |
Posted By: B3Brad
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 19:25
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Genesis. Punks can actually take a listen to some of Pink Floyd stuff (as their recent sucess following Live 8 proved) but Genesis can be demeaned so easily by relating everything to Phil Collins and the 80's 'work.' ------------- 'So Frank, you have long hair. Does that make you a woman?' 'You have a wooden leg. Does that make you a table?' |
Posted By: The Green Tank
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 20:29
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ELP embodied everything punk was against: 1. complicated songs 2. needing talent to play instruments 3. lyrics that didn't sound like a 5-year old had written them |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 20:52
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I voted Rush, all of the punks that i know here absolutely hate Rush, so i go on and on about how i'm a prog fanboy and how prog will always be the ultimate form of music. As far as the most hated bands among punks I'd go with these. Rush- Very artistic, and somewhat cheesey when they added keyboards. Plus, they hate Geddy's voice. ELP- Used the Moog to it's fullest extent. Punks hate anything that isn't a sh*tty drumset or a distorted guitar. Dream Theater- This is the most modern embodyment of anit-punk. The lyrics are conceptual, the guitars and keyboards trade solos, and all of the members are skilled. The songs are quite long. Every fan i know of hard, fast, and somewhat crappy music hates Dream Theater. -------------  
"Mastodon sucks giant monkey balls." |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 20:59
| Don't know if anyone has allready said this but..........Who gives a flying FU*K who punk fans don't like? F Punk! |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 20:59
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If they've ever had ELP, they would just DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: Sam Fire
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 21:15
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"How do you spell 'pretentious'?" "E-L-P" (Ba-doom, cshhhhhh!!!) Actually, I read somewhere that the aforementioned "I Hate Pink Floyd" shirt was one of the two reasons that Rotten was hired as a vocalist for the Sex Pistols (the other being that he had green hair at the time). ------------- THE DEMON CODE PREVENTS ME FROM DECLINING A ROCK-OFF CHALLENGE!!! |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 00:29
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I also think that punks hate ELP the most, but I think it's reasonable, for Christ's sake even half of proggers hate them
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Posted By: Hemispheres
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 15:28
true ive also read that Pete Shelly Of The Buzzcocks loved Can and alot of krautrock ------------- [IMG]http://www.wheresthatfrom.com/avatars/miguelsanchez.gif">[IMG]http://www.rockphiles.com/all_images/Act_Images/TheMothersOfInvention/mothers300.jpg"> |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 17:58
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hahahahaa sad but somehow true...Im not one of them! Yes, ELP were the more hated band in the late seventies...Also Pink Floyd, but thouse punks didnt affect Floyds sells...ELP´s sells went doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooownnnnnnnnn... Yes was also very hated!!! But what is very strange is that a lot of prog musicians (who were affected with the punk movement) actually respect punk quite a lot! And not only progers, but also other bands, like Led Zeppelin...Robert Plant said that althought the punks were against them they were one of the most important and one of the best thinks to happend to music...weird right? ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: Olias
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 18:23
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---- Yup You´re right!! I´m not a Punk-Twat but I really hate anything from ELP, Jethro Tull, Eloy, Asia and specially the so-called American Prog: STYX, Glass Hammer and Kansas
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Posted By: S.H.Kingston
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 20:40
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I depends on what punks you ask. I am pretty much a f*ing punk and most of my freinds. Lots of old Genesis fans; lots of Tull fans (me especially); of course no worthy punk is gonna dis Crimson (L.T.I.A.??); old Syd Barrett Pink Floyd is pretty f*ing punk (Interstellar Overdrive?????); and Rush was an influence despite the apparent hatred. Lots of 80's punks grew up litsening to that stuff (All/'All' era Descendents???Lots of real technical parts to those guys). Faust, Neu! and Beefheart are all worshiped by punks... Anyway, I voted for Yes; mostly because of Rick Wakeman... ------------- thanks! s.h. kingston |
Posted By: Alagithil
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 21:10
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I think ELP, definitely... but I think a lot of that prog-bashing was strategy more than anything else. Punks aren't bad people...not the good ones, anyway... ------------- Life is like an avantgarde play because tuna. |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 21:34
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the Mars Volta. Tons of these 'punk' kids I know hate TMV because they say
they're "ruining" what punk is. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 21:36
the above description is most prog ------------- 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 21:41
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I can't guess what goes inside a Punk head because I don't listen Punk, this genre started as anti Prog' mostly (I can't understand how something can base his existence in being anti anything), so they probably hate all the genre. But honestly, I couldn't care less about what they love or hate. Iván
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 21:56
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Yes and Genesis. During that fight wth the stinky TalkPunk forum, I was reading through anti-prog posts and the most used examples of prog were Yes and Genesis. If you read these articles (if you haven't yet) you wll see they hate Yes and Genesis the most. http://www.punk77.co.uk/punkhistory/whendinosaursromaedtheearth.htm - http://www.punk77.co.uk/punkhistory/whendinosaursromaedtheea rth.htm http://www.punk77.co.uk/punkhistory/dinosaurspart2.htm - http://www.punk77.co.uk/punkhistory/dinosaurspart2.htm ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 07:11
I'm not sure about the CD reissue, but the original vinyl version of the double album compilation Cannibalism had a sleevenote by Pete Shelley, who said that he would not have started playing guitar were it not for Michael Karoli and Marc Bolan. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: matti meikäläin
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 07:30
answer is elp. infact peter hammil is one of the
influences to johnny rotten ( sex pistols) so van der graaf generator
cant take all of the hate 
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Posted By: matti meikäläin
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 07:34
| yes and joy division was a really great punk band, they really were progressive ( not prog rock ) |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 07:42
No, I think I really did read that it was Johnny Rotten, but either my sources or my memory could be wrong |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 07:46
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Actually, you're both right - the defaced t shirt was originally altered and worn by Rotten, but it was Paul Cook who wore it during the notorious Bill Grundy interview which is shown on The Filth and the Fury. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 07:54
Actually Rotten went on record years later saying he actually loved Floyd but that T-shirt was worn as an attitude statement , to get more controversy happening which worked quite well with the SMBWMP (Stupid Mindless Brutish Weekly Musical Press) I have rarely seen unanimity on this site!! And the Winner is............................... HELP!!!! ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: CandyAppleRed
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 08:35
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I asked the only punk I know and he said Rush just shaded Yes to the title. |
Posted By: Winterfamily
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 08:52
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Erm... Excuse me for saying this, but... I really love punk rock, and i
love prog too!!! Indeed, i think both genres are closely related: same
meaning (to wipe out every preconception about what music is/ should
be), different means. Just as war and politics... I've chosen ELP since they represent all the things i dislike about prog rock: instrumental technique prevailing over feeling, pointless virtuosity, pompous and too cryptic lyrics... I respect them, however, the same way i respect Sham 69: i don't like what they do, but it's their thing. But lemme tell you something: i'm presently listening to VDG's "Vital" ("Pioneers over C") and it sounds noisy and chaotic enough to scare the sh*t out of the most die-hard punks i know. I've tested it, and it works! Dead Kennedys? Nah! A little Hammill and they'll run like rabbits! Besides, our dear Mr K was the first guy to use the word "punk rock" to define his music..."Nadir's Big Chance", anyone? Finally, quoting the mentioned song, "the lost ones, the pioneers" are the people who keep rock music alive and kicking. Syd Barrett, Fripp, Wyatt, John Lydon... Forget your prejudices and enjoy!!!! ------------- "If I only had time..." |
Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 09:07
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Another shameless plug for the new VdGG book (the book is nothing at all to do with me, its become essential reading though, love it!)... The book mentions that John Lydon was a fan of Hammill's, not only liking 'Nadirs big chance' but also liking anothe one of his solo albums (Over). Anyone ever listening to this album will know its all about Hammill's breakup from his long term girlfriend and is as far away from punk as could be imagined. Lydon attended a number of VdGG concerts and had a number of discussions with Hammill. Ever the rebel though Lydon told Hammill he was a 'middle class c**t'. I think a lot of this punk being anti prog was stirred up not by the punk muscians but by the svengalis behind them (Malcolm Mclaren and the like). Its just the sort of thing Peter Grant would have done if he were in the same position; to get maximum exposure for their band.
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Posted By: Genesisprog
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 09:09
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I listen prog.They don`t .Beceuse they don`t understand it and don`t want to. My friend likes punk,hard-rock,metal.He says that prog-rock is too difficult to listen to him.Still he thinks that these band that I listen are kind of cool.(likes Genesis) But Metallica and Guns N` Roses are cooler to him ------------- Frank Zappa,Pink Floyd,Yes,Genesis,Rush,King Crimson,Jethro Tull,E.L.P,Rick Wakeman -They have one similarity- I Love Them all ! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 20:40
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Good quote Sean, this proves that this guys were just coffe shop revolutionaries, he loves Pink Floyd but uses a T-Shirt saying I hate Pink Floyd, just to prove how agressive he is, please, this is plain stupid. Just because I'm a Prog fan I won't use an I hate Fleetwood Mac or Meatloaf shirts because I also love both bands BTW: Have you ever seen any Prog artist with something similar like a T-shirt I hate XXXXXX, if you're confident in your work you shouldn't care of what anybody else does. Iván
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Posted By: walrus333
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 21:34
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Exactly Ivan you have "hit the nail on the head" IMO the whole punk movement or whatever it is called is pretty much a load of BS, that the world could have done without( I suppose im not saying anything new here) Long Live Prog! ------------- If anyone knows where I can get a copy of some Flute and Voice (Indo-Prog/Raga Rock) albums please PM me! Many thanks! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 22:10
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To add som points to my opinion about Punk being a poser movement, just read this quotes:
Simply unbelievable, and they have the balls to call Prog musicians and fans drug addicts?
For God's sake, this is simply stupid, you fire a talented bassist, not to hire a better one but a guy who can't play?
All this quotes only to ask, does any band in the world except this sad posers would hire a sub-normal, talentless pseudo musician who couldn't play a note just to keep an image? And this are their icons????? Why should we even care which band they hated if this guys said they hated everything????? Iván
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