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Why Isn't Chicago (the band) Considered Prog? |
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SteveG 
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By the year 2050, all rock subgenres will be considered prog, along with Bluegrass, C&W, and Gregorian Chants.
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Posted: May 09 2022 at 10:20 |
For their sake I hope not.
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Posted: May 09 2022 at 11:21 |
A mammal, a pulse and a chord beyond a triad = Prog. All joking aside I enjoy 'early' Chicago but they don't belong on PA. Ditto the Allman Brothers, the Grateful Dead (the pulse is optional), Cream plus all the usual suspects that are dredged up periodically in threads like this. Not being on PA doesn't make their music any less accomplished or enjoyable.
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Posted: May 10 2022 at 05:54 |
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I drove around Chicago and ended up in Oconomowoc. They had a leak and handed me a soft pretzel.
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Posted: May 10 2022 at 05:55 |
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Posted: May 10 2022 at 09:01 |
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No reason to mention when you saw them in the 80s... They became a completely different band after Terry's death, but even toward his end, he was writing straight rock stuff (Takin It On Uptown). In the 80s, (the minute Foster became the producer, any music would have sounded like sh*t - trendy 80s engineering/production) they became a sh*tty pop 80s synth drum garbage. Like my favorite band Pink Floyd. But Roger wrote most of their stuff, while Pankow (trombone) wrote more than Kath. And, it's not like there aren't prog bands who didn't have pop stuff somewhere in the album. It doesn't have to be a 3 minute song to be pop. And there's nothing wrong with an eclectic album, especially when you have so many members, writers, and singers.... Pink Floyd had some pop, too. "Take Five" has a catchy melody and counter-melody between Dave Brubeck and Paul Desmond.
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Posted: May 11 2022 at 06:05 |
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You can hear the 70s internet on this song.. Surely, THIS is prog by anyone's standards (on here)... Seriously, give it a chance. |
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Posted: May 11 2022 at 06:16 |
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Given that a number of people do not consider jazz rock / fusion to be prog, I suppose one should ask the question: Is Chicago (the band) jazz rock / fusion?
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Posted: May 11 2022 at 09:59 |
Some songs, yes. Everyone in the band wrote, and many of the time, it was written for someone else (although Cetera never gave someone a song, except the verse for Terry on "Wishing You Were Here"), and almost everyone sang, except for Walt and Danny (who has a few co-writing credits on hits, and then a song like "Devil's Sweet" so there's a lot of different things happening. I can't listen to 80s Chicago unfortunately. Especially by 82. David Foster brought in the worst sound possible. Devil's Sweet (it's prog to me... but if you don't think so, I'd love to see your classification, etc.. I don't take any of this personally) Edited by MortSahlFan - May 11 2022 at 10:03 |
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Posted: May 14 2022 at 04:56 |
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Lots of time changes in this one. |
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Posted: May 14 2022 at 12:26 |
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Progwise, give or take, I'd say that they are about 25 or 6 to 4.
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If they were English there's a good chance they'd be considered prog (or at least more prog). Then again Traffic are English and they aren't always considered prog either.
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IMHO, some Chicago is jazz-rock fusion and a fraction of people who enjoy Prog also like jazz-rock fusion. I had a roommate who loved Chicago, and I found the music to be pleasant enough. As a captive audience, I learned much of their catalog. I guess it is a question for the jazz rock fusion folks. If PA is promoting that category, then the question is a perfectly valid one. Toto falls into that category to a certain extent as well. Of course, some will pooh-pooh both outright, but the question is not outlandish.
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I'm not an expert but I listened to enough to realize that their pop songs were just a way for them to keep recording the jazz rock pieces. As long as jazz rock is considered prog, so are Chicago IMO
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