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Originally posted by Argentinfonico Argentinfonico wrote:

Rolling Stone magazine has completely lost its prestige. I don't know if you've all seen their new top of "the greatest albums of all time", but it couldn't be worse. For starters, I'm going to say that The Dark Side Of The Moon is at number 55! A complete disgrace, because if you look at the albums ranked ahead, you can't believe the choices they've made. Rap, hip hop and other works that, without detracting from them at all, simply cannot be placed so far above Pink Floyd's best and most transcendent work. Close To The Edge ranks 447, far below many, many reggaeton, trap and other almost miserable genres where the music is downplayed to its most deplorable degree.

As for the works of Genesis, it is more than clear that the magazine editions that criticised the band so severely were corrupted by national and political interests. The Genesis era with Peter Gabriel is one of the most revolutionary in the history of music. Creativity is brought to its peak and all the albums that have been born from Trespass to TLLDOB are marvellous from beginning to end. The thing to do with these execrable magazines is to never read them again!

I don't agree with this at all but if you replace the word Genesis with Rock (and leave out Peter Gabriel and other references to Genesis) instead then it makes sense. There was a lot of fantastic innovation in music from 1969 -1975 and this was down to a wide group of bands and musicians and not just prog. IMO


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Argentinfonico Argentinfonico wrote:

Rolling Stone magazine has completely lost its prestige. I don't know if you've all seen their new top of "the greatest albums of all time", but it couldn't be worse. For starters, I'm going to say that The Dark Side Of The Moon is at number 55! A complete disgrace, because if you look at the albums ranked ahead, you can't believe the choices they've made. Rap, hip hop and other works that, without detracting from them at all, simply cannot be placed so far above Pink Floyd's best and most transcendent work. Close To The Edge ranks 447, far below many, many reggaeton, trap and other almost miserable genres where the music is downplayed to its most deplorable degree.

As for the works of Genesis, it is more than clear that the magazine editions that criticised the band so severely were corrupted by national and political interests. The Genesis era with Peter Gabriel is one of the most revolutionary in the history of music. Creativity is brought to its peak and all the albums that have been born from Trespass to TLLDOB are marvellous from beginning to end. The thing to do with these execrable magazines is to never read them again!

I don't agree with this at all but if you replace the word Genesis with Rock (and leave out Peter Gabriel and other references to Genesis) instead then it makes sense. There was a lot of fantastic innovation in music from 1969 -1975 and this was down to a wide group of bands and musicians and not just prog. IMO

It's true, there was tons of innovation in that period. However there was also a lot of innovation across other genres in different periods as well. Perhaps the 69-75 era is maybe more important for its advancements in basic production techniques that literally everybody in the world of record music uses, but I wouldn't say prog is any more important of a musical rabbit hole than, say,  early hip hop, or be-bop.
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I just checked out the list from RS. While there's plenty of great music in there, I do find that prog-rock is rather under-represented, which is not surprising from RS. There are 3 prog-rock albums from Pink Floyd, one from Yes, one from Rush, one from Can...and I think that's about it. Even newer prog-rock bands hardly appear. Out of 500 albums? By comparison, while Rate Your Music does not have a top 500 list, one can see the ranking of each album of a particular artist. Floyd has 5 albums from their prog era among the top 500 rated albums, King Crimson 4, Genesis 3, Can 3, Yes, 2, Rush 1, Tull 1 but Aqualung almost makes it. Most of these albums have 10,000-15,000 ratings or more from people who care enough about music to register and vote. How many people were involved in the RS list? 300 artists, critics, producers and "music industry figures".  Hhhmm.. Don't get me wrong, there's no perfect list (and I'm sure there's some bias in Rate Your Music as well), and I like a lot of the music on the RS list, but I'll take the advice of the "interested" music public any time before that of RS.        
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Originally posted by Philchem8 Philchem8 wrote:

I just checked out the list from RS. While there's plenty of great music in there, I do find that prog-rock is rather under-represented, which is not surprising from RS. There are 3 prog-rock albums from Pink Floyd, one from Yes, one from Rush, one from Can...and I think that's about it. Even newer prog-rock bands hardly appear. Out of 500 albums? By comparison, while Rate Your Music does not have a top 500 list, one can see the ranking of each album of a particular artist. Floyd has 5 albums from their prog era among the top 500 rated albums, King Crimson 4, Genesis 3, Can 3, Yes, 2, Rush 1, Tull 1 but Aqualung almost makes it. Most of these albums have 10,000-15,000 ratings or more from people who care enough about music to register and vote. How many people were involved in the RS list? 300 artists, critics, producers and "music industry figures".  Hhhmm.. Don't get me wrong, there's no perfect list (and I'm sure there's some bias in Rate Your Music as well), and I like a lot of the music on the RS list, but I'll take the advice of the "interested" music public any time before that of RS.        

Well said. This is the problem with the RS list. In the internet era where millions of fans can congregate on one site to collectively determine what they value, the opinions of a few hundred music industry veterans are just a tab in the ocean.
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