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Points: 23104 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2013 at 10:43
I think that's probably safe too.
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I see that breasts are out but what about willies? Are willies out? Or bottoms? What about bottoms are they out? Male Nipples are they out? Cleavage?
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Points: 23104 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2013 at 11:01
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

I see that breasts are out but what about willies? Are willies out? Or bottoms? What about bottoms are they out? Male Nipples are they out? Cleavage?

Whatever Google finds sexually explicit is probably the best answer to your query. I'm not expecting this to follow any kind of logic though.
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Points: 4076 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2013 at 11:03

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Points: 23104 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2013 at 11:07
Nice.
At least this is going in the right direction. Now we just need Google to kick out their Amish firing squadStern Smile
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Points: 6797 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2013 at 11:08
May as well forget it Max? How can you predict what 'Google' finds sexually explicit. (Nothing here as far as I can see but I'm not a search engine) Its ART. Its like burning books.
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The mind truly boggles. As usual we will go from one extreme to another, I.e. From a situation where porn is absolutely available to anyone who wishes to view to the other extreme where valid pieces of art are censored. Why can't any of the idiots who run the world ever get things like this right?
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Points: 4076 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2013 at 11:38
I would say that advertisers (client of google) ask for that 
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2013 at 12:45
I suspect that is not the case. I find it highly unlikely that any of Google's advertisers would trawl the internet looking for John Zorn soundtrack albums - or any other obscure prog albums. My guess (and everything concerning Google Ads is a guess) is that it is the Google robot and the AdSense's algorithms that determine whether the images and content contravene their terms and conditions. Since we know for certain that at least one other website has "censored" Zorn's Filmworks XXI (albeit only for Japan) it is a fair assumption that the cover image has been flagged in the Google database and was the trigger here.
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I'm not very savvy on the ways of the intenet....how is it possible that Google is censoring images on PA. ? Are all the album images/artwork here uploaded from Google..?

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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I'm not very savvy on the ways of the intenet....how is it possible that Google is censoring images on PA. ? Are all the album images/artwork here uploaded from Google..?

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No. Max is pixelating the images to comply with Google Ads terms and conditions. If he does not do this then Google will disable ad serving to our site, this will cut off the revenue stream that pays for the site. No Google Ads=no PA.
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Very well simplify Dean !
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You haven't considered the compromise RateYourMusic have where work-unsafe cover art is blocked for unregistered users but can be displayed as opt-in for users who are logged on? Or do the Google advertisting guidelines not allow that either?
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:


I'm not very savvy on the ways of the intenet....how is it possible that Google is censoring images on PA. ? Are all the album images/artwork here uploaded from Google..?


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No. Max is pixelating the images to comply with Google Ads terms and conditions. If he does not do this then Google will disable ad serving to our site, this will cut off the revenue stream that pays for the site. No Google Ads=no PA.


Surely the 'will' should be 'may' cut off....? I just can't see them doing this. Is there a case where they have done it to another site? I can't see it would make good publicity for Google if it gotinto the press that Google were demanding of a music site that it removed/censored Roxy Music album covers.
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Points: 4076 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2013 at 13:26
Do I really want to go that way ? Nuke
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As the initial victim of this medieval witch hunt, I grudgingly complied with M@x's request and changed my beloved Country Life avatar to RM's debut (I am a devout Roxy fan) but with the gallant explanation effort underway (thank you dean and M@x) , I decided to reinstate- in protest - with the 'Blurred girls ' avatar (soundtrack supplied by John Foxx) until someone sane at Google Ads realizes the difference between art and porn. By their year 1300/Torquemada  standards, the Mona Lisa is hinting at some lewd behavior !  Every Greco-Roman statue in every museum is thus deemed pornographic? Really !  I shudder for our future, at this rate....

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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

You haven't considered the compromise RateYourMusic have where work-unsafe cover art is blocked for unregistered users but can be displayed as opt-in for users who are logged on? Or do the Google advertisting guidelines not allow that either?
yes, Max is looking at that as a solution, (and every other solution  we can think of), however we have been given 72 hours to comply with the Google Ad violation email and such a fix will take longer to impliment. Consider this to be an interim fix.
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Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:


I'm not very savvy on the ways of the intenet....how is it possible that Google is censoring images on PA. ? Are all the album images/artwork here uploaded from Google..?


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No. Max is pixelating the images to comply with Google Ads terms and conditions. If he does not do this then Google will disable ad serving to our site, this will cut off the revenue stream that pays for the site. No Google Ads=no PA.


Surely the 'will' should be 'may' cut off....? I just can't see them doing this. Is there a case where they have done it to another site? I can't see it would make good publicity for Google if it gotinto the press that Google were demanding of a music site that it removed/censored Roxy Music album covers.
Yes, other sites have had their ad revenue stopped (a simple google search will give examples), some for seemingly innocuous "titilating" images, others for content of a sexual nature and others for graphic violence. So we must take that as "will" not "may" - there is an appeal process but I can find no actual evidence of anyone ever winning on appeal.
 
The Roxy Music covers were not mentioned, Max is being understandably cautious as these have been the subject of censorship in the (distant) past.
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For those of you wondering what happened with “Country Life” when it was released in the mid-70s , most UK vinyl LPs arrived first as imports (at high price) and were then replicated locally in Canada and USA. The first pressing on Country Life had the ‘German girls” cover and was then, protested by the “US Bible Belt conservative hawks” crowd as being “lewd”. The remaining pressings were returned to the US and Canadian manufacturers and an opaque grey cellophane replaced the offending translucent one, which only created more demand (to see what was behind, a trick done later with Led Zep and a few others). The next pressing removed completely the two female figures, leaving just the highly suggestive foliage.

To think that conservative Britain had no problem with art in the 1970s and the puritan US did is a sad state of affairs. By the 80s, the CD version of Country Life had the original artwork (I stress the word ARTWORK), as there is nothing remotely lewd in the mannerisms of the two ladies in question. There are US albums (ESPECIALLY THE HAIR METAL ONES) that have highly shocking cover art which does not seem to bother the censors.  Like “Houses of the Holy’? UFO’s “Force It”? Scorpions “Virgin Killer”!

So what about the 3 Flash albums, or Wilding-Bonus- Pleasure Signals? Are they less offensive then Country Life?  Kidnapping and bondage are serious crimes in the USA , so is Sparks’ Propaganda cover dangerous territory?

I just keep wondering about Einstein’s comment about the two infinites : the universe and the human condition. 
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:


I'm not very savvy on the ways of the intenet....how is it possible that Google is censoring images on PA. ? Are all the album images/artwork here uploaded from Google..?


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No. Max is pixelating the images to comply with Google Ads terms and conditions. If he does not do this then Google will disable ad serving to our site, this will cut off the revenue stream that pays for the site. No Google Ads=no PA.
Surely the 'will' should be 'may' cut off....? I just can't see them doing this. Is there a case where they have done it to another site? I can't see it would make good publicity for Google if it gotinto the press that Google were demanding of a music site that it removed/censored Roxy Music album covers.

Yes, other sites have had their ad revenue stopped (a simple google search will give examples), some for seemingly innocuous "titilating" images, others for content of a sexual nature and others for graphic violence. So we must take that as "will" not "may" - there is an appeal process but I can find no actual evidence of anyone ever winning on appeal.
 

The Roxy Music covers were not mentioned, Max is being understandably cautious as these have been the subject of censorship in the (distant) past.


I can see why Max would be concerned. But many albums here have images of nudity or a sexual nature. But where do you stop with blurring images (lines). THe GonG album is a case in point. Someone might find this crosses the Google line. Were Google explicit in which images were ringing their sexy bells?
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