Thoughts on my taste?

^ I would rather think about Gong's 'You'

When I've got more time I'll respond to the small number of intelligent posts here (really, I have no time for people who think anyone who disagrees with them is a troll...such an idiotic viewpoint)...but I'll just respond to one of the less intelligent comments here:

dfle3 wrote: Refugee...re: "If you don’t know Watcher of the skies, how come you could write this about Foxtrot" This relates to my point about me finding prog amiable without being memorable. My score reflects that the album is a nice listen, but that I didn't know that the song mentioned was off of it confirms my point that the album does not have memorable songs. And why is my reply in italics? And how do I stop it being so? Til tomorrow.

You admit to having mainstream tastes...."forced" yourself to listen to prog and consider the golden age of prog a dead zone in music?

This is a progressive rock/music site, why are you here?

The interesting title you chose for this thread adds some fuel to the fire.
If you are not a troll, then you are a very confused person!



Edited by JJLehto - April 11 2011 at 01:40

^Yeah..he's a laugh a minute.

refugee wrote: Please, try to be a little bit polite.

ADMIN NOTE.

Edited by Dean - April 11 2011 at 15:58

Okay...back again...

Firstly, this thread was asking about comments on my list...my list was initially intended as my ratings of prog albums but I pretty much decided to add art rock type albums to my list right away. If you want to comment on my list great...just don't prattle on about it not being 'real' prog...I've already said that my list is broader than that...just comment on the stuff that you think IS prog...I dunno, if you can't agree with my scores for albums, just maybe comment on whether you think my order of albums within or between groups is good or bad or whatever. Try not to get hung up over one album...I know you'll feel the temptation to. Also curious, if I've expressed doubt in my own list as to how prog an album is, give your opinion...would you count the album in my list as prog or whatnot or not?

As for the 'spirit' of this forum...I'll engage with it on your own terms here...



TheGazzardian...is your list of You Tubes kind of like "Ten prog songs to change your life"? How much value should I place on it? I mean, since this forum has a lot of grand poo-bars, I'd be wanting such a list to come from the Grande Poo-Bar, yeah?  BUT...Polo says...quothe...

" Those are all awful songs, Gazzardian".

So, by the conduct/philosophy of this forum, you must be trolling, yeah? Or maybe it's Polo? Honestly, I don't know WHO to believe!! Can you maybe get your people to get the Grande Poo-Bar to give their top 10 prog tracks? Is it the guy who says anyone who disagrees with their view is a troll? From my point of view someone must have a REALLY WORTHLESS opinion if they have to have that rider...the one which says..."These are the greatest prog songs of all time...and anyone who disagrees with me is a troll".'
Speaking of trolls, I think I had a "Eureka!" moment last night on trolls...people who call me that bug me...here's my insight...people who bandy the term "troll" are, in fact, morons. They're morons because their tiny little minds can't conceive that anyone who disagrees with them could in fact be genuine...like...dude...how could you say that a 45 minuted drum solo is not THE greatest song EVAH?

Anyway, TheGazzardian, as for your list of ten songs, I'm only familiar with the Zappa song...I had to check my notes on that album...the only song that I singled out as being particularly likeable was "Willie the pimp". However, I still rate the album highly...probably my pick as or around the best Zappa album.  I gave it 9/10 and will put it in my list some time.

RogerThat states that:

" Does that mean albums like Innervisions were not popular at the time of their release? Of course not".

I don't know about this album...if songs off it don't get played now on the radio, maybe that suggests that the album isn't a true classic? I mean, if it's forgotten, maybe there is a good reason for that?

refugee writes:

"It seems the problem is that you listen to an album only twice before you rate it. That’s also why Magical Mystery Tour is your favourite here – it’s full of hits you’ve heard over and over again (still an excellent album, though)."

Okay, so what arbitrary number of listens would suit you? Just a rhetorical question as I'm not really interested in your answer...which would be just as arbitrary as my reviewing practice...I give albums a second chance. If I gave them a dozen chances before I reviewed I could get sick of them!  Interesting last comment too...you're saying that Magical Mystery Tour is an excellent album...despite having hits...hmm. What am I meant to make of that? Am I meant to think "Gee, you are soo broadminded!"? Or, "Wow! You are SO open minded!"? I take it I am meant to prefer albums without hits or songs that I repeatedly want to listen to?...um...isn't that, like, you know, the definition of a bad album?

VanVanVan says:

"I feel like the point that most people here are trying to make is that prog is not necessarily meant to be memorable after the first listen. It's not meant to have immediately memorizable hooks, if it did it would be pop."

...righto...but "The court of the Crimson King" IS memorable first listen with immediately memorisable hooks...and it's poppy. So...not prog then? Refugee's line holds? I mean, it's a good album, despite the title track? And Dark Side Of The Moon...not real prog?

The grand poo-bar here said:

"The years from 1969 to 1976 have some of the highest concentrations of critically acclaimed and popular rock music of all time".

I had a look at Rolling Stones list of the 500 greatest albums of all time...counts as critically acclaimed, yeah?
"Thick as a brick" isn't on that list, I don't believe...it's number 1 here. Aqualung made the list.
Genesis and King Crimson don't make the list. "Kind of blue" is #12, I believe...but that's a jazz album. No Yes. No ELP. Pink Floyd make the list three times.  The "criticallly acclaimed" part of their equation doesn't seem to be holding up. What? These albums sold millions, thus confirming the second part of the equation? Well, I know that DSOTM did.

More from VanVanVan:

"That's the same reason prog doesn't get radio play; it's not about the immediate gratification, it's about deeper enjoyment. One wouldn't expect a classical composition to be immediately memorable after the first listen; prog is the same way."

Ah, so prog is "deeper"...not really amiably pleasant easy listening music then? If you say so. Classical music not immediately memorable first listen? Really? Ludwig Van's 5th and 9th not immediately memorable? Ok. I'll take your word for it.  But I would have thought they were regarded as "classics". And other Beethoven works aren't considered classics because...they're just not that memorable?

Saperlipopette! writes:

"Maybe you'll grow tired of Genesis naive orchestral pop-debut"

...that would be your opinion, yeah? When King Crimson sings "I talk to the wind"...that is some kind of super advanced perspective, right? Sort of like he occupies the same intellectual space as Prince Charles, yeah? Charles talks to the trees, yeah? Sequel for King Crimson? Talking to trees? And you have done absolutely no analysis on why you think my comments are funny for some albums in my list...in one of them I ask a philosophical question...whilst you...make snobbish comments about Genesis' debut...as if you are some sort of being from a higher plane...would we all be able to attain your lofty heights!

Okay, general chit-chat...over "Kind of blue" being in this forum's top 100 prog albums...it seems that the grande poo-bar here says that Miles Davis did prog music. I'm happy to take their word for it. It seems we both agree that KoB is NOT prog. Are too many idiots constantly voting for it here and it's too much of a hassle to not count it? I mean, you do want to promote PROG, yeah? ...so...why are you promoting jazz? Are there not 100 prog albums? Are there not 100 decent prog albums, so you have to pad out your list with jazz albums? Honestly, I can't do all of your work for you...I haven't had heard most of your top 100 list...at least 1% of the albums doesn't belong on such a list...have you thought about fixing your list so that it's actually prog music?


Dean...on the page I write this on now, I see no icon for "quote". When I did the other day and I highlighted text, everything I wrote after that was in the same form as the highlighted text. It's annoying...I'm not an icon geek or anything...just be good to not have your system assume I want to write in a certain style merely because I quoted something...issue is one of user friendliness. As for narkiness on this board...hey, quit calling me a troll just because I disagree with yous...that's my main gripe. And it's not flattering to my view of yous if you come across as pseudo dwellers of a higher astral plane because you don't share my taste. I don't buy it...the bit about yous being super intelligent beings from a higher plane. Believe it or not, prog artists want to make money. Pink Floyd's Dave Gilmour characterised the early Floyd sound as "Plonking noises"...but for the dwellers of a higher astral plane here, I suppose there is untold depth to those plonking noises that you have to 'evolve' to notice?

Discussion without the attitude would be appreciated...if I think that your taste in music sucks, I won't try and pretend it's because you're not smart...coz, you know, Trespass works incredibly well as a soporofic.

Did I miss anything?

Edited by dfle3 - April 12 2011 at 01:13

This is gold.

 One more time, because I'm an idiot.

dfle3 wrote: "It seems the problem is that you listen to an album only twice before you rate it. That’s also why Magical Mystery Tour is your favourite here – it’s full of hits you’ve heard over and over again (still an excellent album, though)." Okay, so what arbitrary number of listens would suit you? Just a rhetorical question as I'm not really interested in your answer...which would be just as arbitrary as my reviewing practice...I give albums a second chance. If I gave them a dozen chances before I reviewed I could get sick of them!  Interesting last comment too...you're saying that Magical Mystery Tour is an excellent album...despite having hits...hmm. What am I meant to make of that? Am I meant to think "Gee, you are soo broadminded!"? Or, "Wow! You are SO open minded!"? I take it I am meant to prefer albums without hits or songs that I repeatedly want to listen to?...um...isn't that, like, you know, the definition of a bad album?

5-7 is the generally accepted number around here. 

The grand poo-bar here said: "The years from 1969 to 1976 have some of the highest concentrations of critically acclaimed and popular rock music of all time". I had a look at Rolling Stones list of the 500 greatest albums of all time...counts as critically acclaimed, yeah? "Thick as a brick" isn't on that list, I don't believe...it's number 1 here. Aqualung made the list. Genesis and King Crimson don't make the list. "Kind of blue" is #12, I believe...but that's a jazz album. No Yes. No ELP. Pink Floyd make the list three times.  The "criticallly acclaimed" part of their equation doesn't seem to be holding up. What? These albums sold millions, thus confirming the second part of the equation? Well, I know that DSOTM did.

I'm flattered you appear to think I have a position of authority. First of all, nobody in the entire world still cares about Rolling Stone, and even if they did, one magazine's best 500 albums of all time is not remotely a large enough sample for "critically acclaimed". Secondly, I am not, and never have been, talking about prog! I am talking about all rock music from that period, and if you think it was an unproductive time for music you don't know anything about the music of the period. You know Led Zeppelin, Paul McCartney, Santana, Johnny Cash, The Rolling Stones, Janis Joplin, John Lennon, Neil Young, Elton John, Chicago, Cat Stevens, The Allman Brothers, Eric Clapton, The Beach Boys, Crosby Stills Nash & Young, Jefferson Starship, BTO, and I don't feel like typing any more. Please at least acknowledge what it is I am actually saying.

Okay, general chit-chat...over "Kind of blue" being in this forum's top 100 prog albums...it seems that the grande poo-bar here says that Miles Davis did prog music. I'm happy to take their word for it. It seems we both agree that KoB is NOT prog. Are too many idiots constantly voting for it here and it's too much of a hassle to not count it? I mean, you do want to promote PROG, yeah? ...so...why are you promoting jazz? Are there not 100 prog albums? Are there not 100 decent prog albums, so you have to pad out your list with jazz albums? Honestly, I can't do all of your work for you...I haven't had heard most of your top 100 list...at least 1% of the albums doesn't belong on such a list...have you thought about fixing your list so that it's actually prog music?

You  completely missed the point of my post and it's too late for me to re-explain it, try again. 

Did I miss anything?

The quote button.