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The T
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 18:34 |
Music that is played exactly as it is written down is as good as music with some inprovisations as long as it is good music. And that has been true, always. Peart favors a very calculated style, and he's fantastic on that.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 18:37 |
The T wrote:
Music that is played exactly as it is written down is as good as music with some inprovisations as long as it is good music. And that has been true, always. Peart favors a very calculated style, and he's fantastic on that. |
But she doesn't like it that way and that's fine too.
But she dislikes Peart personally because he is responsible(partly) for the worship and she hates the fans.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 18:43 |
Snow Dog wrote:
The T wrote:
Music that is played exactly as it is written down is as good as music with some inprovisations as long as it is good music. And that has been true, always. Peart favors a very calculated style, and he's fantastic on that. |
But she doesn't like it that way and that's fine too.
But she dislikes Peart personally because he is responsible(partly) for the worship and she hates the fans. |
I dont hate his fans in general - I couldn't care less if someone is a fan iof Peart or not. I hate a certain kind of fan of his, of which there are a lot around. I have already described them in this thread.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 18:44 |
^ I know...we all know.
You are a bit like a religious zealot.
Edited by Snow Dog - January 07 2011 at 18:46
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 18:48 |
Meanwhile...this is a village in Austria...I kid you not!
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BaldFriede
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 19:03 |
The T wrote:
Music that is played exactly as it is written down is as good as music with some inprovisations as long as it is good music. And that has been true, always. Peart favors a very calculated style, and he's fantastic on that. |
My dislike, if one could call it that, of Peart is chiefly the way I came across him first. His name meant absolutely nothing to me when I first came here; Rush were considered to be a hard rock band by me, which is due to the marketing image which they have in Germany. And no, don't try to prove to me that Rush is mostly regarded as a prog band in Germany; it is I who live in that country and not you, with a few exceptions. If record shops in Cologne place their albums under "Hard Rock" it says all that is to be said about that point. Then I read a few posts that depicted him as the überdrummer, so I went and listened to some of the music of Rush and thought "yeah well, solid drumming, but nothing special; I have heard a lot more interesting drumming before". My expec tations were simply disappointed; I could not see what was so special about this man (and I stil don't, by the way). Once again: I do NOT question Mr. Peart's abilities at all, I am just saying that there are dozens of drummers with equal skills around.
Edited by BaldFriede - January 07 2011 at 20:53
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The Neck Romancer
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 20:16 |
BaldFriede wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
It really boils down to a matter of taste.....I think BaldFriede based on other posts your passion for music does not lie in heavy prog where Rush on this site is categorized. It lies in more jazz/fusion based bands like Mani's style of playing...At least that is what I feel based on your other posts and the bands you have mentioned or drummers you have mentioned.
This is more a fan appreciation thread by the OP, not a compariosn of Neil Peart to other drummers poll or style of play.
Although I appreciate your opinion and posts I think this thread is not the place to express your dislike of Neil Peart's playing. So I can understand where some of the comments against what you posted are coming from.....I think you just picked the wrong thread.......The other ones are more appropriate to voice your displeasure and would get better responses.
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Wrong - I like heavy prog a lot; High Tide are one of my favourite bands. And you get me wrong - I don't really dislike his playing. What I dislike is that he will stick to what he played in studio even in live versions. I read an interview with Peart, and I know where this comes from - it is a misunderstanding of classical music. it appears that Mr. Peart thinks there is no impovisation in classical music, but this is true only for symphonies.All classical composers were great improvisors. It was the Romantic period with its genius cult that claimed that only what is written down should be plaed.But any music that is for example for "harpsichord and basso continuo!" leaves a lot of room for improvisation for both the soloist and the continuo group. Modern performances of classical music bring back this spirit of improvisation and leave more room for the soloists and even for the accompanying orchestra. Peart on the other hand follows that old "Romantic ideal", which is why in his live performances he will play exactly the same what he played in the studio, note for note and hit for hit. This is in my opinion totally uninspired and boring drumming.
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After such a post that proves you've researched so much about his style, I'm sure your problem with Peart is not just about his fans.
Edited by Starhammer - January 07 2011 at 20:18
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 20:37 |
One of my favorite rock drummers of all time for sure. I also dig his lyrics very much....tracks like The Pass, Afterimage, Open Secrets and etc. His lyrics always amaze me
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 22:25 |
BaldFriede wrote:
rushaholic wrote:
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Predictable?? The only thing predictable with Peart discussions is that you will always show up to put Peart fans in their place.
These discussions always get silly anyways. Always boils down to a matter of taste.
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This comment only shows rthat you have not understood a word of what i wrote., If Peart is your favourite drummer - fine; I have absolutely nothing against that - de gustibus non est disputandum. But a certain kind of Peart fans behave as if only Peart could drum. When I see comments like "Peart, who else?" in drum polls (and there are lots of them in the archives; just take a look at other drum polls) it angers me; it shows disrespect to all the rest of excellent drummers which are out there. This behaviour and nothing else is what I criticize. I do not doubt Mr. Peart's abilitiesat all, though personally I find him boring; but that is a question of style. But I am a drummer myself and have played drums for over 25 xears now, and believe me, Peart is definitely not that special as these kind of fans claim.
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Your posts concerning Peart are quite hysterical. The vitriol you spew out against him is old and its boring. Move on.
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Posted: January 08 2011 at 04:06 |
I remember reading a few years ago that Frieda thought she was a better drummer than Peart and that he had too many drums. Or was it because he had too many drums?
Friede your criticism of Peart because of his fans is ludicrous.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: January 08 2011 at 04:49 |
Tony R wrote:
I remember reading a few years ago that Frieda thought she was a better drummer than Peart and that he had too many drums. Or was it because he had too many drums?
Friede your criticism of Peart because of his fans is ludicrous.
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I never said I was a ""better" drummer; I don't use that term . To quote organ player Barbara Dennerlein: "Music is a communication, not a competition". But I have been playing drums for twenty-seven years now, and you get pretty good at it when you do it regularly for such a long time, on any instrument. unless you are a complete moriron when it comes to music. He definitely has ttoo big a kit though; three quarters of it are only being used for his solo and are therefore nothing but fril.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: January 08 2011 at 04:55 |
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Posted: January 08 2011 at 12:22 |
BaldFriede wrote:
Tony R wrote:
I remember reading a few years ago that Frieda thought she was a better drummer than Peart and that he had too many drums. Or was it because he had too many drums?
Friede your criticism of Peart because of his fans is ludicrous.
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I never said I was a ""better" drummer; I don't use that term . To quote organ player Barbara Dennerlein: "Music is a communication, not a competition". But I have been playing drums for twenty-seven years now, and you get pretty good at it when you do it regularly for such a long time, on any instrument. unless you are a complete moriron when it comes to music. He definitely has ttoo big a kit though; three quarters of it are only being used for his solo and are therefore nothing but fril.
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I mean no disrespect at all....I have no clue who Barbara Dennerlein is or some of the other non-prog rock or rock in general people you mention, and maybe I have heard something by them, dunno....I listen to classical music maybe 20 hours a year. I played the clarinet in elementary and jr high school and played it very well but that is it for me and any sort of formal musical talent/knowledge. You seem to write like you have an advanced musical background like in college/university or something, which would be awesome!
This site is about prog rock music, it can be big, flamboyant, theatrical and its very visual......hence some bands have excess equipment on stage, for some it is part of the show and a lot actually will use all the equipment. I have been to several classical performances and I see a lot of equipment that never gets touched.....I mean a harp has what about 50 strings and maybe 25 of them get plucked?
So who cares if he or another prog rock drummer only hit part of their drums during a performance maybe 2-3x. So your formula of disliking Neil Peart fans seems very biased........Do you say the same about classical artists which might also not go outside the boundries in a live performance, that stay the course and play as it was originally written?
Your reasoning/arguement call it whatever it is goes beyond Neil Peart and Rush...because I don't see you posting the same arguement on other threads about other artists. It really comes across as a bashing of a very well respected artist within the rock world.
Like T said....it seems as though Neil has personally done something to you. A lot of people bash many artists on this site...daily. Its a forum, it is what it is.......I just don't see members taking your position on just one artist like you do with Neil.
I would conclude by saying that this behaviour tells me you do like his drumming style and have no issues listening to Rush regularly...but since you started this fight with so many members, its hard to now admit maybe you were wrong, just a bit, in your earlier position with someone like Neil and Rush....or any other artists you feel this way about.
Have a great weekend!
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 08 2011 at 12:35 |
Forget it. Anyone who claims that having too many drums is a reason that someone isn't as good a drummer as we think he is, is not worth responding to.
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Posted: January 08 2011 at 12:39 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Forget it. Anyone who claims that having too many drums is a reason that someone isn't as good a drummer as we think he is, is not worth responding to. |
This.
I guess she has a Drumometer to tell her the optimal number of percussive units.
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Posted: January 08 2011 at 12:46 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Forget it. Anyone who claims that having too many drums is a reason that someone isn't as good a drummer as we think he is, is not worth responding to. |
This.
I guess she has a Drumometer to tell her the optimal number of percussive units. |
You might be on to something with that....better patent it quickly!
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Posted: January 08 2011 at 12:47 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Forget it. Anyone who claims that having too many drums is a reason that someone isn't as good a drummer as we think he is, is not worth responding to. |
I know...I am trying to be nice and respectful......its my New Years resolution....did it work?
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 08 2011 at 12:51 |
Catcher10 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Forget it. Anyone who claims that having too many drums is a reason that someone isn't as good a drummer as we think he is, is not worth responding to. |
I know...I am trying to be nice and respectful......its my New Years resolution....did it work?
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What? You are always nice and respectable as far as I remember. 
I'm the rude aggressive one. 
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Posted: January 08 2011 at 13:00 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Forget it. Anyone who claims that having too many drums is a reason that someone isn't as good a drummer as we think he is, is not worth responding to. |
I know...I am trying to be nice and respectful......its my New Years resolution....did it work?
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What? You are always nice and respectable as far as I remember. 
I'm the rude aggressive one.  |
Well remember this is only typing....video chat is not available on the PA...yet!? For sure it would have to have that 5 second delay..and also a "bleep" function. 
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BaldFriede
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Posted: January 08 2011 at 13:25 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Forget it. Anyone who claims that having too many drums is a reason that someone isn't as good a drummer as we think he is, is not worth responding to. |
This.
I guess she has a Drumometer to tell her the optimal number of percussive units. |
You should really read my posts. I NEVER said Peart is not a good drummer, I only said he is not as exceptionlal as he is being depicted and that there are several drummers who are just as good.. But of course fanboys don't want to hear that; they want to put their belovd Neil on a pedestal with a laurel wreath upon his head, and if I don't agree I am a Peart hater. Nonsense. WhenI was younger I loved huge drumkits. Today I see them as the equivalence to big cars. A good drummer does not need a big drum kit. That does NOT mean that someone who uses a big drum kid is NOT a good drummer. But honestly: What is that big drum kit of Peart being used for? It only gets into action during that solo of his. In other other words: it is nothing but frills.
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