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threefates 
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 Posted: May 24 2005 at 14:11 |
I've never considered any Genesis or Rush albums as masterpieces...
CTTE, Trilogy and BSS are masterpieces...
Blacksword never gets anything... much less BSS...
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Heptade
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 14:11 |
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Grave New World is indeed a masterpiece. Nothing sounds quite like it.
I think Recovery is Runrig's masterpiece, but all their albums are good,
but oops, not prog, I guess.
I'm one of the very few people in this world that thinks Rain Dances is
Camel's best. Hey, those are all good choices. Argus is great too.
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MustShaveBeard
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 14:13 |
King Crimson- Red, the song; It repeats about 3 different riffs the entire time (except the middle section which I like). You would think KC would have SOMETHING soloing over the riffs.
Yes- The Yes Album; I just don't understand the big deal at all, except for the fact that Yes founded their sound on it
CTTE (the song) is just a tad overrated given that it could be shortened since the SAME EXACT THING is played three times except for different bass lines in two of them. I don't understand the backlash against TFTO but none against this (I still do like the song).
And Dark Side of the Moon just because it's not as good as everyone says it is 
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Your life or your lupins!!!
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bluetailfly
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 14:17 |
 threefates wrote:
I've never considered any Genesis or Rush albums as masterpieces...
CTTE, Trilogy and BSS are masterpieces...
Blacksword never gets anything... much less BSS...
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No Genesis albums masterpieces!!?? My god, repent oh blasephemous one! Before the long reach of the prog gods strikes you down where you sit.
Listen to "Trespass" or "Seconds Out" , those are surprisingly good and one's that don't have so much Prog Archives political baggage attached to them.
But do repent...
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"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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Tony Fisher
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 15:20 |
Heptade, you are man of taste.
I think Rain Dances is brilliant too, as are Nude and Mirage. IMHO there are just little bits you could tinker with here and there and it might turn out better - but not much.
I hesitated to nominate Runrig's Recovery because it definitely isn't prog (Celtic Folk Rock), but it is utterly wonderful, as are Heartland, The Big Wheel and The Stamping Ground too.
Sleepwalking is almost unheard of by many who associate Rafferty with City to City, Night Owl and other (admittedly classy) pop rock. This is later, more mature and complex and pure prog bliss, comparing well with anything by the giants of this site.
And there's a Canadian band called Great Big Sea who made a live album called Road Rage which is a masterpiece of folk-pop-traditional. Heard of them?
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Heptade
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 15:41 |
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Thanks, Tony F.
Great Big Sea are OK, although their stuff is getting much more pop and
less folk of late, and therefore less interesting IMHO. The singer is
cowriting songs with Russell Crowe... eek. I've seen them live, they're
quite dynamic.
Great Big Sea's heros the Oysterband are the best Celtic rock band, I
think. Of the new ones, anyway. Steeleye Span are my favourite of the old
ones. I once saw Runrig live...Toronto's entire Scottish community
seemed to be there.
I don't know much about Gerry Rafferty. He was in Stealer's Wheel, right?
You are right about Camel...none of their albums are perfect, but every
one has a few gems on it. I'm really fond of Richard Sinclair, so his two
albums with Camel are the best to me.
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limeyrob
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 15:52 |
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I don't know why people get so worked up about TfTO - YES. A change of direction too far methinks
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threefates
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 16:05 |
bluetailfly wrote:
threefates wrote:
I've never considered any Genesis or Rush albums as masterpieces...
CTTE, Trilogy and BSS are masterpieces...
Blacksword never gets anything... much less BSS...
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No Genesis albums masterpieces!!?? My god, repent oh blasephemous one! Before the long reach of the prog gods strikes you down where you sit.
Listen to "Trespass" or "Seconds Out" , those are surprisingly good and one's that don't have so much Prog Archives political baggage attached to them.
But do repent...
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Sorry... but a lot of Genesis bores me to tears...
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Blacksword
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 16:06 |
threefates wrote:
I've never considered any Genesis or Rush albums as masterpieces...
CTTE, Trilogy and BSS are masterpieces...
Blacksword never gets anything... much less BSS...
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How do you know what I get behind closed doors? Blacksword is a dark horse! No stranger to BSS..
BSS goes over my head everytime, and I like to think I've given it a fair hearing. Still prefer Tarkus. I would regard that as a masterpiece if it wasn't for the throw away songs and that time wasting hymn. But, like I said it's all a matter of opinion.
But, you do get the award for the days best joke: 'I've never considered any album by Genesis or Rush as masterpieces'
Crazy American humour!!
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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memowakeman
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 17:46 |
I think that the most of the albums that mention if can be masterpieces, but thanks to that has been overrated during all the time, I I think some masterpieces are:
BIRDS OF FIRE - MAHAVISHNU ORCHESTRA
CONCERTO GROSSO 1 E 2 - NEW TROLLS
MEDDLE - PINK FLOYD
THE HUMAN EQUATION - AYREON
Although not to can stop mentioning almbums as:
RELAYER - YES
MIRAGE - CAMEL
HEMISPHERES - RUSH
RED - KING CRIMSON
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 18:03 |
I thought this thread was about masterpieces that members didn't like , not "name the albums that you think are masterpieces"
Anyway, any album that is claimed to be a masterpiece is a bit of a pretentious claim IMO
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 18:05 |
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No!
Fragile is the best, by far! |
No!
It is Relayer....Honest!
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spectral
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 18:09 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Anyway, any album that is claimed to be a masterpiece is a bit of a pretentious claim IMO
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Are you saying that the band are pretentious or the person who makes the claim is pretentious?
Anyway, can any album truly be called a masterpiece? Is there actually an album which everyone considers flawless...I doubt it - in which case, there can never really be a masterpiece.
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Progger
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 18:09 |
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Sorry... but a lot of Genesis bores me to tears...
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I agree, their albums arn't consistent enough to be called masterpieces. Even Tony Banks & Phil Collins state as much if you read their interviews. I think people just get too over protective of them just because thay are their favourite band. Put Genesis's 70's album against Yes, ELP & Pink Floyd & it's impossible to compare!
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 18:14 |
spectral wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Anyway, any album that is claimed to be a masterpiece is a bit of a pretentious claim IMO
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Are you saying that the band are pretentious or the person who makes the claim is pretentious?
Anyway, can any album truly be called a masterpiece? Is there actually an album which everyone considers flawless...I doubt it - in which case, there can never really be a masterpiece.
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I would say that whoever claimed it.........pretentious and a bit precious too!........in about 99% of cases
I'm making this up as I go along you know, sounds alright tho
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spectral
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 18:20 |
"99% of cases"...I would say that is too high, Snow Dog.
Using the Bovineswab statistical algorithm, I would put the value nearer to 98.49%.
Any hoot, calling something a masterpiece is a subjective viewpoint and that is just plain wrong.
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alchemist
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 18:23 |
Lark's Tongue in Aspic is starting to annoy me, so if u consider it a masterpiece, I disagree.
And a Farewell to Kings, just don't conside it a masterpiece.... 
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richardh
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 18:53 |
Cygnus X-2 wrote:
For me Dark Side of the Moon: A lot of filler and it's terribly, I mean TERRIBLY overrated. |
Quite agree.There is filler indeed.2 great tracks (Time and Us And Them) surrounded by mediocrity.I love WYWH and Animals(both true masterpeices) but DSOTM leaves me totally underwelmed.
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atomicbomb
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 19:57 |
foxtrot!!! it's a great album, of course, but for me it's a 4 stars.
crime of the century....
tales from topographic oceans....
not to mention the two most absurd overrating cases in all history:
frances the mute and DITC - the mars volta,.......whoever sayd that a reflex of the overall poor quality of newer releases is probably right.....good albums thought
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Joren
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 19:59 |
Titan wrote:
We have a lot of "masterpieces": Dark Side Of The moon, Close To the edge, Foxtrot, Wish you were here etc.
iam curious which "masterpieces" you dont consider as masterpiece
for example me:
Close to the edge: really great album without doubt, but too overrated, i heard a lot of better albums than this, Yes has better albums imo, (Relayer)
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DSOTM, CTTE, they do not deserve 5 stars IMO (DSOTM 3, CTTE 4 or 4,5) the other two I haven't heard yet.
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