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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18060 |
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Hi,
I find it cynical, and strange ... that people say things like that about PF ... however, it does get to the point where the over-kissingdoes get boring and tiresome.
First of all ... Pink Floyd is not "progressive" ... and they couldn't give a poop about the term or its meaning or anything else. Pink Floyd is much more about the time and place .... than anything else ... but they must be given credit like The Beatles, and some other bands, as having set the tone for a lot of things that were not being done, and specially, help FM radio take flight in places like America ... people did not go see "Be Carefull with that Axe, Eugne" because it was prog ... no one went to see "Dark Side of the Moon" because it was "prog" ... so drop the pretense and get rid of the garbage!
It was great music, by people that were educated and intelligent and were doing music ... instead of people that had so very little musical knowledge/ability in the first place ... and unlike a lot of greed monsters, this band put together another label and devoted a lot of their efforts to helping others get music out ... which in a way helped expand that artistic side of things into "eccentric" and eventually helped mold some other big names ... like Mike Oldfield!
The nature of "hit radio" is about playing the same thing over and over ... so you can buy it again and help maintain the quota that some group think they should get ... wether you think so or not ... sort of like American phone companies ... or energy companies ... who think they have a "right" to take your money ... and you have n o right to say anything or complaint about the service. Screw you ... I need my million and you are gonna help me get it ... kind of thing ...
The big issue with top ten lists ... is that they are re-inforcing the power of these conglomerates, many of which you and I are trying so hard to make sure they break ... so a lot of the music we discuss and believe in ... can also be heard and appreciated ... but no ... you are worried about the Googles or Yahoos or ... the list ... by folks that represent that corporate ideal even more ... the ideal that the rich must stay rich, and you pay for it!
The music you want to discuss is not about that ... never was ... it's about something holy other and creative ... and if you can't see that and stop treating them as just another part of your own backyard ... maybe you should just take a study in statistics (Thx G3 for this one) and become a s(t)adistic clerk somewhere and stop talking in a prog board ... you'd would be representing the worst that an experimental and creative band ... could possibly be ... and never will!
Because it's about the music ... not the numbers ... and you should/must know that difference.
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progkidjoel ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 02 2009 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 19643 |
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Hi, Pink Floyd is prog. I don't only listen to bands because they are 'prog', I listen to bands because I enjoy their music, regardless of progressive credentials.
You don't have to pay an electricity or phone company. You can say 'screw you' all you want. You can just live without lights and heat ![]() I'm not going to comment on the rest because I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. |
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A Person ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
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The reason people say Pink Floyd so much is because of their commercially successful albums. People see my PF t shirt and ask me what my favorite album is, and I mention an early PF album, and I get this funny look, as if I'm making it up. |
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Any Colour You Like ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 15 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12294 |
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Hi,
Must... use... more... elipses... to... make... myself... more... cryptic... than... Ulver... on... acid. (Moshkito, elipses make your posts very hard to understand ![]() Anyway. My point remains fairly easy to understand. Pink Floyd as music, moves me emotionally, they also happen to be a band that fuses progressive and non-progressive characteristics. It is about the music, that is all it ever will be, and all it ever should be. |
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classicprogsovereign ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: December 28 2009 Location: Birminghman Status: Offline Points: 42 |
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Jeez, I've created a monster.
I'll remember from here on out not to post anything controversial like this. Sorry if I got anybody angry.
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I can't stand Justin Bieber....
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Any Colour You Like ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 15 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12294 |
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Mate, don't worry. Just remember that we have one or two of these types of thread start as soon as the one before them dies. It is a neverending story of -
x band is not progressive.... but x band is... And so on, you will see this if you hang around here long enough. |
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progkidjoel ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 02 2009 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 19643 |
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Don't worry about it ![]() I'm not angry, and most threads end up like this anyway. Also, don't apologize for having an opinion about something. ![]() |
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18060 |
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[... I'm not going to comment on the rest because I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about ... ]
I doubt that ... so you're suggesting that you don't even know why you like Pink Floyd?
I can tell you that in 1972, when I was at the Hollywood Bowl listeing to Pink Floyd, I did not go there because it was "prog" ... and when I saw DSOTM at the Sports Arena, it was not because it was "prog" ... and when I saw them at the Sports Arena again ... it was not because it was "prog" ... it was to listen to a great band and some far out music ... and when I saw them at Anaheim Stadium, it was not because they were " prog" ... it was because it was great music and their concerts were far out ... although I much prefer the blow outs at the Hollywood Bowl to some of the pathetic scenes that got Roger mad at Anaheim Stadium with people fighting for a piece of the pig!
The point is ... that in that time, King Crimson was not prog. ELP was not prog. Genesis was a minor band ... that did not hit their wheels properly (specially in America) until "Selling England by the Pound" ... YES did not get much attention until Roundabout became a monster FM radio hit (still not played on the AM stations btw or listed!) ...
There are a couple of other threads on this board that discuss the origins of the term "prog", and in general it is kind of agreed that the term took shape in the late 80's and early 90's ... and I'm ok with that ... as a way to separate the stuff we like from the "rock" bins and people can find it better and faster. But there is a lot of discussion and detail about a definition of prog ... that doesn't even fit PF ... for all intents and purposes they were a "trip" band ... and that kinda stopped with "The Wall" as it was not a trip that everyone could appreciate, but it was a diferent type of trip that ,... you and I could relate to and have lived through it many times ...
In other words ... the word came after the music ... it was not "prog" at the time, and no musician in his right mind will compose in "prog" mode ... it's like saying ... I'm gonna compose in the "romantic" mode to do something a la Beethoven ...
You do not listen to music because it is "prog" .. you listen to it because you love it, and it drives you ... I'm sure of it!
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Any Colour You Like ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 15 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12294 |
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Touche, and /thread. |
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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If people want to go ga-ga over any particular band or artist it doesn't bother me in the least. I don't get sick of Floyd because I've known them a long while and listen to them in proportion. What I get sick of are the debates as to whether or not they are prog or progressive. Yes they are. Give it a rest.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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PROGMONSTER2008 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 09 2007 Status: Offline Points: 610 |
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Floyd are 2nd or 3rd tier prog to me. They were limited to mellow prog because they didn't have the composition capabilities or musical talent to produce jazzed up prog. There's probably a dozen prog bands in the 70s with a better discography full of clever prog tunes. They are probably level with Led Zeppelin as prog related bands with similar amount of quality tunes although they are different styles of music, but both would be rated among the top 20 bands in history in my books
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Alberto Muņoz ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
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Never get tired to listen to the mighty Floyd!
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Petrovsk Mizinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
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Is it strange I find a lot of progressive rock to be extremely catchy despite this apparent lack of concern for catchyness by the song writers? I don't totally buy that idea that it isn't a big concern. Maybe not the more avant garde/more out there stuff, but plenty of bands in progressive rock are still very much full of catchy moments. Dream Theater, Pink Floyd, Yes, Meshuggah, Between the Buried and Me, as different as these bands are, I can easily find something extremely catchy in many of their songs. |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37188 |
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Now this is damned catchy:
As is this (but then this is popular on classic rock radio in my neck of the woods): Another short one that I find damned catchy (but then I think a lot of GG is catchy): Okay, I don't actually have anything to add to the discussion. |
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A Person ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
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I agree Logan, the lines
They gut huts with gusto Pillage villages with verve War does what she has to People get what they deserve are really catchy. |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37188 |
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But still not as catchy as these lyrics
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37188 |
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And just for fun, here is the catchiest thing ever done by an extreme experimental avant raga-jazz noise band:
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Marty McFly ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2009 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 3968 |
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the best of prog for me (perhaps). the only reason that keeps me from reviewing their albums is that it would be all 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 and maybe few 4 stars.
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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I agree with just about every word in Sean Trane's post. Saucerful of secrets, Echoes, Dogs, Us and Them, A Pillow of winds...this band has everything, a song for every mood, flavour, season and so on and so forth. It's quite possible that one would overplay them till the point where one cannot listen to their songs anymore due to saturation but that's no fault of the band or of people who aren't tired of listening to them.
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20411 |
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Naaaahh!!!!....
![]() Don't worry about it.... you're a newbie and you're forgiven..... just don't do it again
![]() ![]() ![]() It's all a matter of taste and many progheads want to exclude Floyd, because they are not writing excessively difficult music and mebntally masturbating over their instruments, of blaming Mason for being a poor rummer (which he isn't >>> see Floyd at Pompei).but these guys are more than making up in terms of musical adventures
Yes Floyd can be over-exposed in Classic Rock circles, just as are The Beatles, The Who, Zep or The Stones..... but that happens to be because they're universal and the most universal prog groups
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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