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Hi,
 
I find it cynical, and strange ... that people say things like that about PF ... however, it does get to the point where the over-kissingdoes get boring and tiresome.
 
First of all ... Pink Floyd is not "progressive" ... and they couldn't give a poop about the term or its meaning or anything else. Pink Floyd is much more about the time and place .... than anything else ... but they must be given credit like The Beatles, and some other bands, as having set the tone for a lot of things that were not being done, and specially, help FM radio take flight in places like America ... people did not go see "Be Carefull with that Axe, Eugne" because it was prog ... no one went to see "Dark Side of the Moon" because it was "prog" ... so drop the pretense and get rid of the garbage!
 
It was great music, by people that were educated and intelligent and were doing music ... instead of people that had so very little musical knowledge/ability in the first place ... and unlike a lot of greed monsters, this band put together another label and devoted a lot of their efforts to helping others get music out ... which in a way helped expand that artistic side of things into "eccentric" and eventually helped mold some other big names ... like Mike Oldfield!
 
The nature of "hit radio" is about playing the same thing over and over ... so you can buy it again and help maintain the quota that some group think they should get ... wether you think so or not ... sort of like American phone companies ... or energy companies ... who think they have a "right" to take your money ... and you have n o right to say anything or complaint about the service. Screw you ... I need my million and you are gonna help me get it ... kind of thing ...
 
The big issue with top ten lists ... is that they are re-inforcing the power of these conglomerates, many of which you and I are trying so hard to make sure they break ... so a lot of the music we discuss and believe in ... can also be heard and appreciated ... but no ... you are worried about the Googles or Yahoos or ... the list ... by folks that represent that corporate ideal even more ... the ideal that the rich must stay rich, and you pay for it!
 
The music you want to discuss is not about that ... never was ... it's about something holy other and creative ... and if you can't see that and stop treating them as just another part of your own backyard ... maybe you should just take a study in statistics (Thx G3 for this one)  and become a s(t)adistic clerk somewhere and stop talking in a prog board ... you'd would be representing the worst that an experimental and creative band ... could possibly be ... and never will!
 
Because it's about the music ... not the numbers ... and you should/must know that difference.
 
You decide.


Edited by moshkito - January 01 2010 at 18:39
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

First of all ... Pink Floyd is not "progressive" ... and they couldn't give a poop about the term or its meaning or anything else. Pink Floyd is much more about the time and place .... than anything else ... but they must be given credit like The Beatles, and some other bands, as having set the tone for a lot of things that were not being done, and specially, help FM radio take flight in places like America ... people did not go see "Be Carefull with that Axe, Eugne" because it was prog ... no one went to see "Dark Side of the Moon" because it was "prog" ... so drop the pretense and get rid of the garbage!

Hi,

Pink Floyd is prog. I don't only listen to bands because they are 'prog', I listen to bands because I enjoy their music, regardless of progressive credentials.
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

The nature of "hit radio" is about playing the same thing over and over ... so you can buy it again and help maintain the quota that some group think they should get ... wether you think so or not ... sort of like American phone companies ... or energy companies ... who think they have a "right" to take your money ... and you have n o right to say anything or complaint about the service. Screw you ... I need my million and you are gonna help me get it ... kind of thing ...

You don't have to pay an electricity or phone company. You can say 'screw you' all you want. You can just live without lights and heat

I'm not going to comment on the rest because I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
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Originally posted by classicprogsovereign classicprogsovereign wrote:

I've got a little story to share. 
Alright, I make a lot of lists; many of which are dedicated to progressive rock. In fact, I was making one of this exact kind the other night. I kind of hit that point where I couldn't think of ANY more songs to place on the list, so I foolishly went onto the Rock and Pop section of Yahoo! Answers to find some suggestions.
Every...single...answer...said 'you need more Pink Floyd', when they had at least 14 songs ranked already. One of the answerers complained about the absence of "Another Brick in the Wall Part II"! I didn't get any suggestions for the other great bands on the list, no Kansas, King Crimson, or Genesis recommendations!

And this isn't only on Yahoo! Answers...what is the progressive band that gets tons of airplay on the radio? Pink Floyd. Which progressive rock band has sold millions upon millions of records over their contemporaries, who are arguably better? Pink Floyd. Which band receives almost universal acclaim for a style of music that other bands did just as well, if not better? PINK FLOYD. 

Trust me, you can ask any classic rock junky about Pink Floyd, and they'd claim to be all-knowing in the realm of progressive rock music. I dare you, ask them about Van der Graaf Generator or Family, and they'd be totally lost. This is what I mean. Pink Floyd is a great band, sure, and one of the best prog bands, without a doubt, but, I mean, COME ON. What did they ever do that makes them so much better and so much more popular than Tull, Yes, and ELP?

The reason people say Pink Floyd so much is because of their commercially successful albums. People see my PF t shirt and ask me what my favorite album is, and I mention an early PF album, and I get this funny look, as if I'm making it up.
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Hi,

Must... use... more... elipses... to... make... myself... more... cryptic... than... Ulver... on... acid.

(Moshkito, elipses make your posts very hard to understand Thumbs Up)

Anyway. My point remains fairly easy to understand. Pink Floyd as music, moves me emotionally, they also happen to be a band that fuses progressive and non-progressive characteristics. It is about the music, that is all it ever will be, and all it ever should be.
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Jeez, I've created a monster.
I'll remember from here on out not to post anything controversial like this.
Sorry if I got anybody angry.
I can't stand Justin Bieber....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Any Colour You Like Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2010 at 18:50
Mate, don't worry. Just remember that we have one or two of these types of thread start as soon as the one before them dies. It is a neverending story of -

x band is not progressive.... but x band is...

And so on, you will see this if you hang around here long enough.
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Originally posted by classicprogsovereign classicprogsovereign wrote:

Jeez, I've created a monster.
I'll remember from here on out not to post anything controversial like this.
Sorry if I got anybody angry.


Don't worry about it
I'm not angry, and most threads end up like this anyway. Also, don't apologize for having an opinion about something.
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[... I'm not going to comment on the rest because I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about ... ]
 
I doubt that ...  so you're suggesting that you don't even know why you like Pink Floyd?
 
I can tell you that in 1972, when I was at the Hollywood Bowl listeing to Pink Floyd, I did not go there because it was "prog" ... and when I saw DSOTM at the Sports Arena, it was not because it was "prog" ... and when I saw them at the Sports Arena again ... it was not because it was "prog" ... it was to listen to a great band and some far out music ... and when I saw them at Anaheim Stadium, it was not because they were " prog" ... it was because it was great music and their concerts were far out ... although I much prefer the blow outs at the Hollywood Bowl to some of the pathetic scenes that got Roger mad at Anaheim Stadium with people fighting for a piece of the pig!
 
The point is ... that in that time, King Crimson was not prog. ELP was not prog. Genesis was a minor band ... that did not hit their wheels properly (specially in America) until "Selling England by the Pound" ...  YES did not get much attention until Roundabout became a monster FM radio hit (still not played on the AM stations btw or listed!) ...
 
There are a couple of other threads on this board that discuss the origins of the term "prog", and in general it is kind of agreed that the term took shape in the late 80's and early 90's ... and I'm ok with that ... as a way to separate the stuff we like from the "rock" bins and people can find it better and faster. But there is a lot of discussion and detail about a definition of prog ... that doesn't even fit PF ... for all intents and purposes they were a "trip" band ... and that kinda stopped with "The Wall" as it was not a trip that everyone could appreciate, but it was a diferent type of trip that ,... you and I could relate to and have lived through it many times ...
 
In other words ... the word came after the music ... it was not "prog" at the time, and no musician in his right mind will compose in "prog" mode ... it's like saying ... I'm gonna compose in the "romantic" mode to do something a la Beethoven ...
 
You do not listen to music because it is "prog" .. you listen to it because you love it, and it drives you ... I'm sure of it!
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

 
You do not listen to music because it is "prog" .. you listen to it because you love it, and it drives you ... I'm sure of it!


Touche, and

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If people want to go ga-ga over any particular band or artist it doesn't bother me in the least.  I don't get sick of Floyd because I've known them a long while and listen to them in proportion. What I get sick of are the debates as to whether or not they are prog or progressive.  Yes they are.  Give it a rest. Wink


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Floyd are 2nd or 3rd tier prog to me. They were limited to mellow prog because they didn't have the composition capabilities or musical talent to produce jazzed up prog. There's probably a dozen prog bands in the 70s with a better discography full of clever prog tunes. They are probably level with Led Zeppelin as prog related bands with similar amount of quality tunes although they are different styles of music, but both would be rated among the top 20 bands in history in my books
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Never get tired to listen to the mighty Floyd!




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Originally posted by classicprogsovereign classicprogsovereign wrote:

Catchiness really isn't a big concern when it comes to progressive rock music, however, am I correct?
But I suppose that's why they receive so much airplay, huh?


Is it strange I find a lot of progressive rock to be extremely catchy despite this apparent lack of concern for catchyness by the song writers?

I don't totally buy that idea that it isn't a big concern.
Maybe not the more avant garde/more out there stuff, but plenty of bands in progressive rock are still very much full of catchy moments.
Dream Theater, Pink Floyd, Yes, Meshuggah, Between the Buried and Me, as different as these bands are, I can easily find something extremely catchy in many of their songs.

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Now this is damned catchy:



As is this (but then this is popular on classic rock radio in my neck of the woods):



Another short one that I find damned catchy (but then I think a lot of GG is catchy):



Okay, I don't actually have anything to add to the discussion.
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I agree Logan, the lines

They gut huts with gusto
Pillage villages with verve
War does what she has to
People get what they deserve


are really catchy.
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But still not as catchy as these lyrics


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And just for fun, here is the catchiest thing ever done by an extreme experimental avant raga-jazz noise band:



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the best of prog for me (perhaps). the only reason that keeps me from reviewing their albums is that it would be all 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 and maybe few 4 stars.
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I agree with just about every word in Sean Trane's post.  Saucerful of secrets, Echoes, Dogs, Us and Them, A Pillow of winds...this band has everything, a song for every mood, flavour, season and so on and so forth.  It's quite possible that one would overplay them till the point where one cannot listen to their songs anymore due to saturation but that's no fault of the band or of people who aren't tired of listening to them. Wink  Personally, Pink Floyd 's music was one of the first things I heard in my rock days and after years of mellow and placid Indian music, it broadened my horizons of what is possible in music hundredfold and they are one of the very few well known rock bands - not just prog - who can do that to you because they tried to find a musical context for every plausible sound known to man. There's darkness, sorrow, anger, beauty, hope, bitterness, desolation all in judicious doses in their songs.  I really don't know what more a band is supposed to do to impress people. Tongue  And speaking of other prog vocalists, while it's true that the general public doesn't like harsh, quirky tendencies in singing, isn't it equally true that many in the prog crowd are so hung up on inaccessibility and weirdness that they can't tell the sublime from the sappy and blindly dismiss both alike?  I like Gilmour's singing way, way more than Jon Anderson's, sorry....in fact, I don't even know what's so quirky about Jon compared to say Hammil...he's just boring, that's all...IMO!    
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Originally posted by classicprogsovereign classicprogsovereign wrote:

Jeez, I've created a monster.
I'll remember from here on out not to post anything controversial like this.
Sorry if I got anybody angry.
 
 
 
Naaaahh!!!!....LOL
 
Don't worry about it.... you're a newbie and you're forgiven..... just don't do it againAngryWink..... or we'll have your head on a silver platterLOL
 
 
It's all a matter of taste and many progheads want to exclude Floyd, because they are not writing excessively difficult music and mebntally masturbating over their instruments, of blaming Mason for being a poor rummer (which he isn't >>> see Floyd at Pompei).but these guys are more than making up in terms of musical adventures 
 
Yes Floyd can be over-exposed in Classic Rock circles, just as are The Beatles, The Who, Zep or The Stones..... but that happens  to be because they're universal and the most universal prog groupsTongue
 
Welcome around the forumSmile
 
 


Edited by Sean Trane - January 02 2010 at 07:07
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
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