Is anyone else getting kind of sick of Pink Floyd?
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Topic: Is anyone else getting kind of sick of Pink Floyd?
Posted By: classicprogsovereign
Subject: Is anyone else getting kind of sick of Pink Floyd?
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 14:25
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I've got a little story to share. Alright, I make a lot of lists; many of which are dedicated to progressive rock. In fact, I was making one of this exact kind the other night. I kind of hit that point where I couldn't think of ANY more songs to place on the list, so I foolishly went onto the Rock and Pop section of Yahoo! Answers to find some suggestions. Every...single...answer...said 'you need more Pink Floyd', when they had at least 14 songs ranked already. One of the answerers complained about the absence of "Another Brick in the Wall Part II"! I didn't get any suggestions for the other great bands on the list, no Kansas, King Crimson, or Genesis recommendations! And this isn't only on Yahoo! Answers...what is the progressive band that gets tons of airplay on the radio? Pink Floyd. Which progressive rock band has sold millions upon millions of records over their contemporaries, who are arguably better? Pink Floyd. Which band receives almost universal acclaim for a style of music that other bands did just as well, if not better? PINK FLOYD. Trust me, you can ask any classic rock junky about Pink Floyd, and they'd claim to be all-knowing in the realm of progressive rock music. I dare you, ask them about Van der Graaf Generator or Family, and they'd be totally lost. This is what I mean. Pink Floyd is a great band, sure, and one of the best prog bands, without a doubt, but, I mean, COME ON. What did they ever do that makes them so much better and so much more popular than Tull, Yes, and ELP? ------------- I can't stand Justin Bieber.... |
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 14:31
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First of all, that is your just punishment for reading Yahoo Answers. Second of all, because they wrote DSOTM and The Wall, which, for whatever reason, are seminal rock albums. Third, what contemporary bands sounded like Pink Floyd? Gilmour's style is unique. Fourth, why do you even care what the unwashed masses think?
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Posted By: SouthSideoftheSky
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 14:32
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Pink Floyd is indeed very overrated.
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Posted By: classicprogsovereign
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 14:32
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I just don't think it's fair that other bands, which are arguably much better, get no recognition, and are stuck standing in Floyd's shadow. ------------- I can't stand Justin Bieber.... |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 14:40
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Life isn't fair. While you wrote that post about music you were able to buy, eighteen people starved to death. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 14:43
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Much in life isn't fair, and I think this is a pretty tiny issue. I understand what you're saying, but I can't see why other people's (arguably false or not) opinions would make me get sick of a band or another. Just recently I went through another Floyd binge, listening to their whole catalogue, many albums many times, and I just keep falling deeper in love with them. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA! 
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Posted By: classicprogsovereign
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 14:44
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And what exactly do you want me to do about that? If we're gonna get into a conversation about this.... ------------- I can't stand Justin Bieber.... |
Posted By: classicprogsovereign
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 14:47
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And, really, I'm just kind of getting sick of their music altogether; not that any of it is bad, I've just heard it all too much! ------------- I can't stand Justin Bieber.... |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 14:49
I don't care what you do, I'm just tired of reading variations of this thread. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
classicprogsovereign wrote:Posted By: classicprogsovereign
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 14:50
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It's a popular topic? ------------- I can't stand Justin Bieber.... |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 14:57
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Back when Pink Floyd was all I knew, it did get tiresome sometimes. But now, the more I explore prog, the more I apretiate them and find comfort and pleasure in going back to their music once in a while. ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: classicprogsovereign
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 14:59
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Exactly. Like I said, I do recognize their influence, I do think they're a great group, sure, I just don't think they deserve the recognition they get, you know, above Gentle Giant and the likes. ------------- I can't stand Justin Bieber.... |
Posted By: Staker
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 15:01
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Pink Floyd are as good as they're hyped up to be. They're brilliant. But I no longer listen to them. Why? I still enjoy them as much as I previously did, and my musical taste hasn't changed to exclude them, but there's just other, newer stuff (no so much more recent in time, just new to me) which I'm getting into. So, perhaps I am a little annoyed when I hear Floyd on the radio. I'm more annoyed by the fact that people never know anything other than Another Brick In The Wall Part II - and they don't even call it part II. Either that, or Money. ------------- I > You. |
Posted By: manch1ech00ta
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 15:04
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i know what you are going through i personally f**king hate when i hear OMG pink floyd Is the best band ever or know one can top David Gilmour and those people are probably talking about the DSOTM perod and after that while they haven't really listened to their older albums which are much better exept Obscured By clouds and Ummagumma which are only a MEH albums |
Posted By: classicprogsovereign
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 15:05
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Ummagumma is my favorite Floyd album Avant-garde gets a big thumbs up from me. ------------- I can't stand Justin Bieber.... |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 15:05
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If you stick around long enough, yes, there are a lot of people who complain about the major artists being overrated as if such a statement is clever or interesting or even worthy of discussion. I don't like a fair chunk of classic prog these days, but it's not necessary to have a thread to validate my opinion. And even if I did, I would put it in the right forum! ;-) ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 15:05
recognition goes hand in hand with influence and impact.. today's cynicism doesn't fly about hype and mass marketed music and un-deserving groups that can't sing or play instruments yet look good and sell a lot of albums and thus are 'recognized'. Floyd gets the recognition they get because they deserve it.. whew..... if I had an hour... I'd explain why. However since I don't... just look at the impact Floyd had in several of the various sub-genres here. They pretty much created one by themselves.. and were major influences in several others. There simply is no more influential group on this site... other than the Beatles of course haha. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 15:10
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 15:10
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Been listening to them since 1980 or so....and I still get the goosebumps every time I throw on Piper, DS, Wall, and of them. Love them. I've heard thousands of albums from every genre and no, I never tire of Floyd or Syd solo. I may not play them often anymore because I have so much else to hear, but when i do, it's pure pleasure.  ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: classicprogsovereign
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 15:12
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There is one thing I want to say; there's a difference between recognition and popularity. Well, there's a difference between POSITIVE recognition and popularity; I don't see the Velvet Underground selling thousands of records a day. Influence and recognition go hand-in-hand, but recognition and popularity do not, if that makes any sense. ------------- I can't stand Justin Bieber.... |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 15:12
| I write reviews for another prog site (as well as for PA), so I get to listen to a lot of new stuff. Well, I can't count the times I've written about a clear Pink Floyd influence in the music of a new band or artist. The Floyd might not have been the best as regards technical skill (as if it was the end-all in music), but they sure knew a thing or two about songwriting. People like Dream Theater could definitely learn something from them. |
Posted By: classicprogsovereign
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 15:13
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Oh, jeez, this isn't the right section, is it, haha? ------------- I can't stand Justin Bieber.... |
Posted By: classicprogsovereign
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 15:14
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I completely agree, Raff. Again, for the seventh time, I'm NOT bashing Floyd - I'm just kind of losing interest in their music. Great songwriters, in every aspect; and instrumentally, they were all exemplars, really. ------------- I can't stand Justin Bieber.... |
Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 15:18
Is anyone got the same feeling with Porcupine Tree? I am sick but i can't stop listening to their music, like a alcoholic who still drinking despite many bad effects of drinnking too much...
------------- Music is the refuge of souls ulcerated by happiness. Emile M. Cioran |
Posted By: classicprogsovereign
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 15:24
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No, I've never had a feeling like that. Interesting, though. ------------- I can't stand Justin Bieber.... |
Posted By: Dominic
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 15:38
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Most of Pink Floyd's music is just way more catchy and less abrasive than Tull and VDGG. Also, Tull and VDGG have vocalists that are way more peculiar; in my observations, vocalists with "pretty" voices seem to matter to people alot more than the substance of the instrumentation in pop music. Anyways... i like all three of the mentioned bands immensely. Pink Floyd just happens to be most popular; more the better for them ------------- 
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Posted By: classicprogsovereign
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 15:42
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But that's their appeal, you know? Ian Anderson and Peter Hammill are both magnificent singers, mainly because of the quirkiness of their voices. It's the same deal with Peter Gabriel and Jon Anderson; and I doubt anyone would claim that Barett's and Waters's voices aren't 'peculiar' or 'quirky', even if Gilmour's aren't. Catchiness really isn't a big concern when it comes to progressive rock music, however, am I correct? But I suppose that's why they receive so much airplay, huh? ------------- I can't stand Justin Bieber.... |
Posted By: Dominic
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 15:44
For sure, "classic rock" listeners don't wanna sit through some super long composition with a symphonic structure. -------------
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Posted By: classicprogsovereign
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 15:57
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Well, of course, but several of Pink Floyd's songs, even if they aren't strictly *symphonic* are exceedingly lengthy. ------------- I can't stand Justin Bieber.... |
Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 16:15
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If they're popular, that means they're not good (?)
Yeah, Another Brick Pt. 2 is not a great song, you might not like their popular songs and I would agree, but have ou ever listened to Animals, Meddle, Atom Heart Mother...?
They're great ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 16:39
I don't think most "classic rock junkies" know or want to admit that PF is progressive rock. On the rest of your post: I think the thing that causes all these things is that PF are relatively accesible compared to a band like VDGG. There are many people that can't stand Peter Hammill's vocals or whatever thing that might sound a bit radical to one's ears. PF don't really have any of those radical things (early Floyd does have some by the way, Atom Heart Mother for example), but that doesn't mean they are any less good or unique. The band manages to interest both prog fans and "mainstream" music listeners, which is quite a special thing if you ask me. Also, if you stay a while on this site you will be wanting some PF threads after the thousands of Porcupine Tree and Dream Theater threads you'll find here!  ------------- 
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 16:51
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I don't get kind of sick about anything regarding musical bands or their status, be it legendary or obscure. I don't get kind of sick about any perception regarding progressive rock. And I don't open threads, to summon everyone who would be kind of sick of the same thing.
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Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 16:54
| I'm listening to Animals right now. I've probably heard it over 100 times in my life. It still amazes me. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 17:05
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After being a big Pink Floyd fan for many years, I got kind of tired of the band and stopped listening to PF's albums for years (particularly as I got back into, and really explored deeply, progressive rock). I've fairly recently come to appreciate PF releases more after re-discovering Atom Heart Mother which fits my tastes very well. Music appreciation can be so cyclical for me and of course tastes change/ develop/ expand over time. When I joined this site I think that Gentle Giant was still my favourite band, but I overplayed it and went off it. I used to love Yes (at least for Fragile -- vever much cared for Close to the Edge on the whole), but went off it many years ago. I used to really like ELP, but now find it almost unplayable on the whole. I don't really care what most other people say and have never cared that much about popularity status. The majoirty of the music I really like is pretty obscure, but it's not because music is less popular that I like it, it's more that my tastes are fairly unusual (though not that unusual at PA). |
Posted By: PROGMONSTER2008
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 17:07
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Floyd were a fairly simple prog band. I like meddle, atom heart, obscured, animals and the wall. I really don't care for dark side or wish you were here much ------------- Jazz/Classical Rock(70's style prog/fusion). Lots of prog keys and melodies(all original ideas) http://www.myspace.com/vigilante2008" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/vigilante2008 |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 17:11
This. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 17:35
You should clean the crud out of your ears and LISTEN intelligently before posting such crap......
First your argument already gives a final mouth clampdown answer..... the bands that get stuck in Floyd's shadow because they are derivative and have absolutely NOTHING new to say.....
Floyd is/was one of the best bands ever and rightly deserves every ounce of recognition ....
these guys were one of the most adventurous group ever, and only part of what they did is actually available on disc
Not only did they write soundtracks to films and ballets, but they also created special shows in musique concrete (the famous Concertgebouw shows in Amsterdam)
There is no two albums of theirs that even sound the same, because they took care to reinvent themselves with every new album...... What other group can claim this??? Not even Gentle Giant or Crimson
PINK FLOYD LIVES
 others cry  ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: classicprogsovereign
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 17:37
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Are you kidding? I love those records. I'm just sick of hearing about their Dark Side of the Moon-The Wall era stuff, you know? ------------- I can't stand Justin Bieber.... |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 17:47
Well you're being over-exposed to these four marvellous (and near perfect) albums ..... that's one thing
Seeing your young age.
 .... i think you're forgetting that Floyd was groundbreaking at every step they took..... They explored new grounds every time they published a new album..... they topok pride is not copying themselves in any shape way or formYou may be sick of hearing DSOTM....... but this is rightfully one of the best album ever made..... they knew they were onto something, and they made sure it would make history.... there isn't a single note on that album that is not simply bloody perfect..... back in 73...... jusr like today ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 18:04
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I enjoy every single Pink Floyd album. There's enough variety in ther catelog so I could listen to only Floyd forever and it wouldn't be a horrible thing. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 18:05
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Hi,
I find it cynical, and strange ... that people say things like that about PF ... however, it does get to the point where the over-kissingdoes get boring and tiresome.
First of all ... Pink Floyd is not "progressive" ... and they couldn't give a poop about the term or its meaning or anything else. Pink Floyd is much more about the time and place .... than anything else ... but they must be given credit like The Beatles, and some other bands, as having set the tone for a lot of things that were not being done, and specially, help FM radio take flight in places like America ... people did not go see "Be Carefull with that Axe, Eugne" because it was prog ... no one went to see "Dark Side of the Moon" because it was "prog" ... so drop the pretense and get rid of the garbage!
It was great music, by people that were educated and intelligent and were doing music ... instead of people that had so very little musical knowledge/ability in the first place ... and unlike a lot of greed monsters, this band put together another label and devoted a lot of their efforts to helping others get music out ... which in a way helped expand that artistic side of things into "eccentric" and eventually helped mold some other big names ... like Mike Oldfield!
The nature of "hit radio" is about playing the same thing over and over ... so you can buy it again and help maintain the quota that some group think they should get ... wether you think so or not ... sort of like American phone companies ... or energy companies ... who think they have a "right" to take your money ... and you have n o right to say anything or complaint about the service. Screw you ... I need my million and you are gonna help me get it ... kind of thing ...
The big issue with top ten lists ... is that they are re-inforcing the power of these conglomerates, many of which you and I are trying so hard to make sure they break ... so a lot of the music we discuss and believe in ... can also be heard and appreciated ... but no ... you are worried about the Googles or Yahoos or ... the list ... by folks that represent that corporate ideal even more ... the ideal that the rich must stay rich, and you pay for it!
The music you want to discuss is not about that ... never was ... it's about something holy other and creative ... and if you can't see that and stop treating them as just another part of your own backyard ... maybe you should just take a study in statistics (Thx G3 for this one) and become a s(t)adistic clerk somewhere and stop talking in a prog board ... you'd would be representing the worst that an experimental and creative band ... could possibly be ... and never will!
Because it's about the music ... not the numbers ... and you should/must know that difference.
You decide. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 18:14
Hi, Pink Floyd is prog. I don't only listen to bands because they are 'prog', I listen to bands because I enjoy their music, regardless of progressive credentials.
You don't have to pay an electricity or phone company. You can say 'screw you' all you want. You can just live without lights and heat
I'm not going to comment on the rest because I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. ------------- 
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 18:19
The reason people say Pink Floyd so much is because of their commercially successful albums. People see my PF t shirt and ask me what my favorite album is, and I mention an early PF album, and I get this funny look, as if I'm making it up. |
Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 18:19
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Hi, Must... use... more... elipses... to... make... myself... more... cryptic... than... Ulver... on... acid. (Moshkito, elipses make your posts very hard to understand  )Anyway. My point remains fairly easy to understand. Pink Floyd as music, moves me emotionally, they also happen to be a band that fuses progressive and non-progressive characteristics. It is about the music, that is all it ever will be, and all it ever should be. |
Posted By: classicprogsovereign
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 18:47
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Jeez, I've created a monster. I'll remember from here on out not to post anything controversial like this. Sorry if I got anybody angry. ------------- I can't stand Justin Bieber.... |
Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 18:50
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Mate, don't worry. Just remember that we have one or two of these types of thread start as soon as the one before them dies. It is a neverending story of - x band is not progressive.... but x band is... And so on, you will see this if you hang around here long enough. |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 18:51
Don't worry about it
I'm not angry, and most threads end up like this anyway. Also, don't apologize for having an opinion about something. 
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 18:54
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[... I'm not going to comment on the rest because I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about ... ]
I doubt that ... so you're suggesting that you don't even know why you like Pink Floyd?
I can tell you that in 1972, when I was at the Hollywood Bowl listeing to Pink Floyd, I did not go there because it was "prog" ... and when I saw DSOTM at the Sports Arena, it was not because it was "prog" ... and when I saw them at the Sports Arena again ... it was not because it was "prog" ... it was to listen to a great band and some far out music ... and when I saw them at Anaheim Stadium, it was not because they were " prog" ... it was because it was great music and their concerts were far out ... although I much prefer the blow outs at the Hollywood Bowl to some of the pathetic scenes that got Roger mad at Anaheim Stadium with people fighting for a piece of the pig!
The point is ... that in that time, King Crimson was not prog. ELP was not prog. Genesis was a minor band ... that did not hit their wheels properly (specially in America) until "Selling England by the Pound" ... YES did not get much attention until Roundabout became a monster FM radio hit (still not played on the AM stations btw or listed!) ...
There are a couple of other threads on this board that discuss the origins of the term "prog", and in general it is kind of agreed that the term took shape in the late 80's and early 90's ... and I'm ok with that ... as a way to separate the stuff we like from the "rock" bins and people can find it better and faster. But there is a lot of discussion and detail about a definition of prog ... that doesn't even fit PF ... for all intents and purposes they were a "trip" band ... and that kinda stopped with "The Wall" as it was not a trip that everyone could appreciate, but it was a diferent type of trip that ,... you and I could relate to and have lived through it many times ...
In other words ... the word came after the music ... it was not "prog" at the time, and no musician in his right mind will compose in "prog" mode ... it's like saying ... I'm gonna compose in the "romantic" mode to do something a la Beethoven ...
You do not listen to music because it is "prog" .. you listen to it because you love it, and it drives you ... I'm sure of it! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 18:56
Touche, and /thread. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 19:02
If people want to go ga-ga over any particular band or artist it doesn't bother me in the least. I don't get sick of Floyd because I've known them a long while and listen to them in proportion. What I get sick of are the debates as to whether or not they are prog or progressive. Yes they are. Give it a rest.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: PROGMONSTER2008
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 21:38
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Floyd are 2nd or 3rd tier prog to me. They were limited to mellow prog because they didn't have the composition capabilities or musical talent to produce jazzed up prog. There's probably a dozen prog bands in the 70s with a better discography full of clever prog tunes. They are probably level with Led Zeppelin as prog related bands with similar amount of quality tunes although they are different styles of music, but both would be rated among the top 20 bands in history in my books ------------- Jazz/Classical Rock(70's style prog/fusion). Lots of prog keys and melodies(all original ideas) http://www.myspace.com/vigilante2008" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/vigilante2008 |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 23:26
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Never get tired to listen to the mighty Floyd!
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 23:37
Is it strange I find a lot of progressive rock to be extremely catchy despite this apparent lack of concern for catchyness by the song writers? I don't totally buy that idea that it isn't a big concern. Maybe not the more avant garde/more out there stuff, but plenty of bands in progressive rock are still very much full of catchy moments. Dream Theater, Pink Floyd, Yes, Meshuggah, Between the Buried and Me, as different as these bands are, I can easily find something extremely catchy in many of their songs. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 01 2010 at 23:51
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Now this is damned catchy: As is this (but then this is popular on classic rock radio in my neck of the woods): Another short one that I find damned catchy (but then I think a lot of GG is catchy): Okay, I don't actually have anything to add to the discussion. |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: January 02 2010 at 00:01
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I agree Logan, the lines They gut huts with gusto Pillage villages with verve War does what she has to People get what they deserve are really catchy. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 02 2010 at 00:15
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But still not as catchy as these lyrics |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 02 2010 at 00:31
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And just for fun, here is the catchiest thing ever done by an extreme experimental avant raga-jazz noise band: |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: January 02 2010 at 01:27
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the best of prog for me (perhaps). the only reason that keeps me from reviewing their albums is that it would be all 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 and maybe few 4 stars.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 02 2010 at 01:49
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I agree with just about every word in Sean Trane's post. Saucerful of secrets, Echoes, Dogs, Us and Them, A Pillow of winds...this band has everything, a song for every mood, flavour, season and so on and so forth. It's quite possible that one would overplay them till the point where one cannot listen to their songs anymore due to saturation but that's no fault of the band or of people who aren't tired of listening to them. Personally, Pink Floyd 's music was one of the first things I heard in my rock days and after years of mellow and placid Indian music, it broadened my horizons of what is possible in music hundredfold and they are one of the very few well known rock bands - not just prog - who can do that to you because they tried to find a musical context for every plausible sound known to man. There's darkness, sorrow, anger, beauty, hope, bitterness, desolation all in judicious doses in their songs. I really don't know what more a band is supposed to do to impress people. And speaking of other prog vocalists, while it's true that the general public doesn't like harsh, quirky tendencies in singing, isn't it equally true that many in the prog crowd are so hung up on inaccessibility and weirdness that they can't tell the sublime from the sappy and blindly dismiss both alike? I like Gilmour's singing way, way more than Jon Anderson's, sorry....in fact, I don't even know what's so quirky about Jon compared to say Hammil...he's just boring, that's all...IMO!
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 02 2010 at 07:05
Naaaahh!!!!....
Don't worry about it.... you're a newbie and you're forgiven..... just don't do it again
 ..... or we'll have your head on a silver platterIt's all a matter of taste and many progheads want to exclude Floyd, because they are not writing excessively difficult music and mebntally masturbating over their instruments, of blaming Mason for being a poor rummer (which he isn't >>> see Floyd at Pompei).but these guys are more than making up in terms of musical adventures
Yes Floyd can be over-exposed in Classic Rock circles, just as are The Beatles, The Who, Zep or The Stones..... but that happens to be because they're universal and the most universal prog groups
 Welcome around the forum
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 02 2010 at 07:22
Mellow prog  ? I suppose stuff like "A Saucerful of Secrets" or "Careful With That Axe, Eugene" is mellow to you... Oh, well, everyone to their own. It's not my way to ridicule people's opinions, so I'll leave it at that, though I find your statement doesn't hold water at all. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 02 2010 at 15:28
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Listen to music because you like it...not because it is labeled prog or classic or pop or metal. Those are labels and are subject to debate. I doubt there is any band that starts out their career saying "we only want to play/record/write prog rock music!"
Sounds like OP is bored of PF right now.....That is easy to understand because they have been around forever and you hear them on all the classic rock stations, people talk about DSOTM all the time...its a great album, period.
Take a break and come back to them in a couple months and maybe your opinion will change.
I'm sure the same can be said about Rush, Yes, Genesis....these bands have been around forever and continue to make music......That is their challenge to create new music to keep you and new fans buying their albums....which we will.
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Posted By: PROGMONSTER2008
Date Posted: January 02 2010 at 17:00
almost every song in the 70's was mellow. You mentioned 60's songs ;) ------------- Jazz/Classical Rock(70's style prog/fusion). Lots of prog keys and melodies(all original ideas) http://www.myspace.com/vigilante2008" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/vigilante2008 |
Posted By: Dominic
Date Posted: January 02 2010 at 17:16
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: January 02 2010 at 17:22
And why would you suppose "jazzed up prog" was something they were yearning to make, if only their lack of talent wasn't holding them down? That's the idea I get from your post. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA!
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: January 02 2010 at 18:16
you know, once you get tired of a band you jump to another one. I think there is enough good music around to satisfy your lust for new climates. You can also try other musical genres than prog. I for myself listen to blues, classical music, jazz, metal, punk, gothic rock, world, soul, alternative rock, hardcore, funk, folk, electronic music, pop, even some rap, so I never get tired of what I am listening to. And trust me, prog is far from being the best musical genre in the world, it is nevertheless not really a genre per se as it draws inspiration from other established genres : classical music, psychedelic rock, folk, electronic music and hard-rock for some of them. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: January 02 2010 at 18:41
Uh, no, not really. I do think PF are a bit overrated (not too overrated, but they don't deserve all the hype compared to other seminal prog bands), and I'm not too much of a fan. Hence, when I'm listening to PF, I'm doing it in carefully measured amounts, and I don't get fed up. ------------- |
Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: January 02 2010 at 21:47
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Floyd is the most overrated crap band ever! Come on, what are we talking about? Only David Gilmour has any talent, Waters and Mason are a lousy boring monotonous rhythm section, and all the lyrics that Waters can write can be summed up as "Boo hoo hoo, my daddy died in WW2, so the world sucks, they're all against me", while being blind for the fact that he's an arrogant a**hole himself! Come on, the popularity of Floyd is based on gimmicks and not on their music. Would "Money" have been a big hit without the cash registers? Would "Another brick" been a hit without the children's voices? I DON"T THINK SO! F*ck Waters, give me a band of real musicians. Like for example Yes. ------------- Future prosperity lies in the way you heal the world with love (Introitus - The hand that feeds you) |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: January 02 2010 at 21:49
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Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: January 02 2010 at 21:57
This is why I love PA. |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: January 02 2010 at 22:02
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Is anyone else getting kind of sick of pink floyd? No I'm not, and no I'm not just contradicting you ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 05:01
I'm not.
 I'm sick of people re-writing history because it fits their narrow view. The term "prog" was used in the early 70s through-out Great Britain - you know, that place where all these classic prog bands came from - and we all knew at the time what it meant and which groups and artists it applied to. That the rest of the world took 10-20 years to catch-up is irrelevant.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 05:14
...what??!!! "tons of airplay on the radio"???!!! Which radio stations play Pink Floyd? - I struggle to find a radio station in the UK that plays rock of any kind and as far as I recall, Birmingham is no different...
...hang on... you mentioned Kansas... you're from one of those other Birmingham's aren't you?
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 06:01
Anyway wot Dean said ^ (More or less) ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 06:59
You are so right. Waters can only write about all the stuff you said, and Peter Hammill can only write about solitude, they both suck so much. I don't care if they write the lyrics carefully or not, or whether it has deeper meaning or not, the subjects are just so stupid. Also, you're so right about Money. The song would suck so much if there were no cash registers! I don't care about David's guitar solos, the lyrics or the music at all, cause those just are plain stupid, but the cash registers, WOW, they are fantastic and make me want to listen to the song over and over again. Also the band has no talent watsoever! Come on, anyone could do what Mason did on live At Pompeii and who couldn't write an album like Animals!? -------------
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 07:11
Perhaps some Pepto Bismal would help.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 07:38
| I have read Anthony0s post, while I was listening to ABWH "Let's Pretend". They are two different things. I agree about the musical skills, but they can't be compared. I think PF, Yes and Genesis are like the three fundamental colours. All the following prog music pays something to them, and all the other artists on PA are in some ways a mix of the three. How can PF be overrated if they have clearly inspired groups like Mostly Autumn, Porcupine Tree, Riverside, and in some way also groups in the Genesis area like Marillion and (Don't think I'm crazy) Camel?. In particular The Snow Goose is strongly floydian.Of course there are exceptions like King Crimson and Soft Machine or Magma. About Water's daddy and WW2, it was a period in Water's life, between The Wall and Radio Kaos, but Welcome to the Machine doesn't seem to be about anybody's father. Music is not only made of skill. If it was so we would only listen to Al di Meola or Jaco Pastorius or Billy Cobham. Does any of them give you the same vibrations as Echoes? Finally, "Close to the Edge' is a great album, but if I have to choose, I'll probably spin Meddle or WYWH instead. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 07:45
Nice to see people who are not able to express opinions without peppering their posts with expletives! It must make them feel so very grown-up  ! |
Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 08:54
Just as grown-up as Roger Waters perhaps: "f**k all that, we've gotta get on with these" (Not now John), "You f**ked up old hag" (Pigs), "I said: "f**k it then, take the kids back to town, maybe I'll see you around" (Go fishing)
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Posted By: FusionKing
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 09:18
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I'm not getting sick of Floyd overall. However, the era led by Gilmour (momentary lapse..and ..Division Bell) gets a bit uninteresting I think because Roger Waters gives them a bit more passion. I like a piece of music with a 'pissed off' ambience sometimes as it balances out my massive, cheery Yes binges! The Syd era is pretty fun to listen to also. Actually, the only Pink Floyd album that I really don't like is Atom Heart Mother.
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Posted By: silcir
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 09:30
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defending pink floyd shouldn't have as much recognition as other seminal prog bands is something i can't agree with, but even so, what to say about the large amount of bands from italy (fro instance) that should have had as much recognition as those seminal prog bands? All in all it's just a market problem, not that ppl can't eventually see that there are other bands doing things as marvellous as Floyd, but Floyd always incorporated a more radio friendly sound and that gave them much more propaganda and therefore that recognition. |
Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 09:43
You know that Not Now John was written by Gilmour, right? -------------
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 09:44
Almost doesn't include One of these days, Welcome to the machine, Dogs, Sheep, In the Flesh, ABITW Pt-3? I mean, that doesn't sound like almost. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 09:45
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The irony is that Anthony considers Mostly Autumn to be the best band ever....I can visualize Hugues laughing his a** off having read his MA reviews.
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Posted By: SgtPepper67
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 09:46
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I'm not sick of Pink Floyd at all, I'm kind of tired of people complaining about bands like Pink Floyd or The Beatles being popular and recognized, they deserve that, in any case it's the rest of the bands that are underrated. If you're tired of them or don't like them just don't listen to them. ------------- 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 10:15
Ah, now I understand ... |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 10:26
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Are Pink Floyd overrated?
Almost certainly YES if you are defining them as a symphonic prog band. But not if you are defining them as a pop band.....................  ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 10:46
Gilmour also drops the f-bomb in "Lost For Words". I thought that their use of expletives was sparse, except "Not Now John". |
Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 10:50
You're joking, right? "Not now John" is from that so-called Floyd album which in reality was a Waters solo album. ------------- Future prosperity lies in the way you heal the world with love (Introitus - The hand that feeds you) |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 10:51
Umm... what?  ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA!
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Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 10:52
Don't care what Hugues think. Whenever he gives one star to an album it's stuff that I find very good, so I'm not surprised that I don't like the stuff he likes. Besides, after making dumb remarks along the lines of 'you wouldn't like Mostly Autumn if they hadn't such a pretty female singer' have made sure that I'm not taking Hugues seriously anyway.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 10:55
"Not Now John" was written entirely by Waters, and sung by Waters and Gilmour. Not that it matters in any way, since some people here seem to be unable to distinguish between using the occasional expletive in a song and writing a post of few lines where every other word seems to be the 'f-word'. |
Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 11:01
Whoops, I really thought Gilmour wrote it.  -------------
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 11:03
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Posted By: Green Shield Stamp
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 11:05
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Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals and The Wall are among the best sequential group of albums in prog. Only Genesis and Yes achieved such consistency of brilliance over such a number of unfailingly great albums. ------------- Haiku Writing a poem With seventeen syllables Is very diffic.... |
Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 11:06
Is that a variation on the 'stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone..."-echo? ------------- Future prosperity lies in the way you heal the world with love (Introitus - The hand that feeds you) |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 11:12
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nope. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 11:14
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Good. Then it might be enjoyable. ------------- Future prosperity lies in the way you heal the world with love (Introitus - The hand that feeds you) |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 11:21
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How can you all focus on Waters' paranoias when the PF history is made of at least 4 different periods? Nobody knew anything about R. E. Waters before The Wall. Do you think The Piper is overrated? Why there are 3 PF albums in the PA top 10? The only pop things they have done are on Obscured by Clouds that's a movie soundtrack composed in 3 weeks. And not bad at all. Does anybody think that Atom Heart Mother is pop? Or a saucerful of secrets? Or interstellar overdrive?
If Pink Floyd are pop, what about Yes and Genesis? Can I mention Abacab or Big Generator? Can you find anything poppy in any solo work of the 5? Only Mason's "Lie for a lie" is very 80 and pop enough, but can you find many better things published in 1985 apart Marillion?
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: January 03 2010 at 11:22
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I actually haven't listened to PF in a ong time though they aren't "as good" as I thought they were. -------------  |