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Poll Question: Drugs: Important in 60s and 70s music or not?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2009 at 09:16
Daniel Gildenlow said it better than I:
 

PA:  What are your views on drugs?

DG:  If you have a small mind they seem to help you get access to the parts you have shut down. It’s like a shortcut to a visionary state that you can reach anyway if you just let go of your mental limitations put there after years and years in this world.  If your mind is already large they will just help you shut down other parts of it.  Let’s say they are a shortcut to a place to which you will never find a proper way if you use them.  Usually, when a mediocre artist starts doing drugs, they will in fact produce one or two interesting albums, more open-minded than their previous work, then they will just turn sour and never do anything as good again.  At least, that’s my impression.  I don’t go near them.  I have struggled through dense vegetation to find that place anyway, and that journey has done me good.

You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2009 at 22:17
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Daniel Gildenlow said it better than I:
 

PA:  What are your views on drugs?

DG:  If you have a small mind they seem to help you get access to the parts you have shut down. It’s like a shortcut to a visionary state that you can reach anyway if you just let go of your mental limitations put there after years and years in this world.  If your mind is already large they will just help you shut down other parts of it.  Let’s say they are a shortcut to a place to which you will never find a proper way if you use them.  Usually, when a mediocre artist starts doing drugs, they will in fact produce one or two interesting albums, more open-minded than their previous work, then they will just turn sour and never do anything as good again.  At least, that’s my impression.  I don’t go near them.  I have struggled through dense vegetation to find that place anyway, and that journey has done me good.



So what does this mean? You don't need any drugs if you are enlightened, but can be of use if you're not Buddha just yet?  Disapprove

I'm sorry, but it's funny how much Gildenlow sounds like a Supreme Being in this interview.


Edited by Anderson III - May 22 2009 at 22:21
"Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2009 at 23:14
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:


Europe has a musical tradition that is hundreds and even thousands of years old ... and the desire to do something different has always been there, and many of these people actually followed more of their cultural and classical mores than they did any drugs or any other inspiration ... and in some cases it was more about a personal/artistic freedom than it had anything to do with drugs or anything else.


(But the question really wasn't if drugs were the only source of inspiration for musicians, and anyone with a head on their shoulders would know they weren't. The question was did they have an effect, and I for one am sure it did.)

I find it insulting and rather sad that we had the idea that drugs (((help musicians to))) create music ...


(I don't find it insulting at all! I think an artist can draw inspiration from ANYWHERE... even the darkest of places. If one can turn a personal experience into a thing of beauty, it's automaticly a positive thing at least for art. I find it rather sad that one would think drugs are not an "acceptable source of inspiration".)


It's not the drugs ... it's the music ... never was the drugs ... or the music was garbage anyway!
 

(I wouldn't eat sh*t even if I put sugar on it! I totally agree that it's about music, but I don't think it's necessarily impossible to enhance it.)

"Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2009 at 15:48
yay for drugs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2009 at 18:41
Hi,
 
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... (I don't find it insulting at all! I think an artist can draw inspiration from ANYWHERE... even the darkest of places. If one can turn a personal experience into a thing of beauty, it's automaticly a positive thing at least for art. I find it rather sad that one would think drugs are not an "acceptable source of inspiration".)...
 
I agree there ... one can not deny a Rimbaud or (obviously) any of the self destructive folks that we happen to like so much and were obvious inspirations for many of us.
 
That said, when I first toked, 35 years ago, was also the first time I realized that I didn't want to do this socially ... because it was about being "hip and with it" (California!!!) .... rather than soemthing to learn from and enjoy with ... I was too entranched already into a literary and artistic world to not know that these things happened and inspired people ... but I had also learned from the Beatles and already knew from John that getting stoned was a cop out and not necessary ... and worse than that ... I had already started to read Castaneda and knew right away that the drugs were not necessary at all ... and to me that was where learning all that was an important perceptual tank of possibilities ... that we could work with sooner or later if we wanted to and gave it time and effort.
 
Sometimes, taking drugs or drink is easy and (seemingly) makes the trip easier to get to ... but more often than not we are not "tripping", or enjoying some fun ... we're escaping this or that ... and that means that the chances of dealing with its consequences just got tougher.
 
Now we can look at someone like Jim Morrison and we're all aware of the insane amount of drugs ... and there is enough information out there from Ray M. and others  that shows they talked about it a lot and even Jim knew that he needed to stop that stuff ... but did not have the personal strength for it. It doesn't make him a bad writer or poet ... just like it didn't Sylvia Plath, or Rimbaud and and what's his name that wrote Alice in bsland, or Edgar Allan Poe or anyone else in history ...
 
But today, unlike 500 years ago, we can share information and we can help way better than we did then ... you didn't know better and neither did anyone else 100 years ago and the medicine was not there (for example), so it is easier to glorify an Aleister Crowley talking about drugs, although if his book and autobiography are any indication he is extremely anti-frugs ... and he knows why ... you can not do the "magical stuff" when you do not have any ability to maintain or control your own mental faculties ... its deadly if you do drugs in those situations. Read his book "Diary of a Drug Fiend" ... and it's moral is ... get rid of it and make sure that the body shows you it doesn't want it ... so you know and won't fall back. It's the same with drink and anything else ...
 
But above all, you have to have the ability -- and DESIRE -- to get stronger with your self ... if you don't you are no better off than dead. And so is a lot of music out there that purports to be party and stoned music ... you might remember that famous incident with that kid fan of AC/DC who shot himself ... because he believed the truth in the words of the band and he didn't know the difference. Same thing here ... when you have no "inner source", it doesn't matter if it is drugs, drink, sex or anything ...
 
But more important? BS ... and those folks are either being facetious or just plain silly! I will say, however, it is their life and they can take care of themselves as they wish ... too bad they might not ever read this and see if there is any truth to it!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2009 at 19:16

Drugs alter perception....but once you get used to the new perception, it's just another point of view.

There are feelings / sensations that can only be obtained with drugs. There are no insights that cannot be discovered (more fully and deeply) without them.

You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2009 at 19:57
You can't deny that this band was inspired by drugs :
 
 
 
 
 
"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2009 at 03:29
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

You can't deny that this band was inspired by drugs :
 



Really?  In what way? TongueLOL

By the way, I think one of the best movies to see to convince you to stay away from drugs would have to be Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas. 
 
 
 
 



Edited by Slartibartfast - May 24 2009 at 03:30
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2009 at 12:28
Fear and Loathind convinces to stay away form drugs?.......ok.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8knnO38JAw
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2009 at 12:35
Originally posted by annexusquam annexusquam wrote:

Fear and Loathind convinces to stay away form drugs?.......ok.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8knnO38JAw

If you actually managed to sit through it until the end you might know exactly what I mean by then. WinkLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2009 at 14:34
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by annexusquam annexusquam wrote:

Fear and Loathind convinces to stay away form drugs?.......ok.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8knnO38JAw

If you actually managed to sit through it until the end you might know exactly what I mean by then. WinkLOL


no i didn't get it, can you help me?
I' ve watched the whole movie though


Edited by annexusquam - May 24 2009 at 17:43
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2009 at 19:59
Hunter does pretty much every drug available at the time.  At first it's a little amusing but it descends into utter chaos.

How's that?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2009 at 20:25
Drugs are not gonna turn a talentless hack into Mozart. But they can help spark one's creativity, as long as there's some creativity to begin with.
 
It depends on the drug. LSD, Cannabis and other psychedelis and quasi-psychedelics are drugs that can open up a persons senses, open up a part of your subconscious.  Drugs like that have been very helpful. Espeically for The Beatles, Hendrix, Pink Floyd, The Doors, Grateful Dead and Flaming Lips to name a few.
 
But stimulants, like coke and herion. All they do is give you energy, they can't spark your creativity. They might enhance a musicians performance maybe.
 
Granted David Bowie put out some brilliant stuff when he was doing enough coke to kill a small horse. Low is a classic album. But he could have made that album if he was clean.
 
I don't think The Beatles could have made Sgt Peppers without the acid.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2009 at 20:29
No way in hell 60's music (which in turn made seventies music) would have ever come about with the use of LSD and cannabis.  You can make trippy music without drugs, no problem, but the influence on society.... Piper at the Gates of Dawn for example.....not without psychedelics.  The genre is called PSYCHEDELIC rock
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2009 at 20:32
And Fear and Loathing wouldn't keep you away from drugs, maybe all the coke.  But I think it fuels the thought of how awesome hallucinogens are/can be.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2009 at 20:44
In response to what someone said earlier.
 
Gong = Anti drugs?
 
Man if those guys didn't do drugs, they did one hell of a job faking it. From some of the performances I've seen, Daevid Allen looked like he was tripping balls.
 
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by annexusquam annexusquam wrote:

Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Someone who would know once sang....
 
first it giveth then it taketh away.........
 
 
which means....? cause my english is not that good
(I think) it means that drugs can inspire music in the beginning but as the adiction takes hold the creativity vanishes.
 
Psychedelic drugs are not addictive, not even on a mental level.. If someone abuses those drugs and gets really excessive with them, then that's a personal choice that could have easly been avoided. A lot of musicians used LCD and they were just fine as long as they used it in moderation.
 
As for pot, you pretty much can't abuse pot at all.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2009 at 20:49
Yeah, LSD will never be a drug of dependance. It's not specifically comforting and if in an unhappy mood could take you down a much worse mental ride as much as it could bring you up.  Honestly, when you look at any statistics of people with drug problems, you never see any of them as psychedelics (ecstacy and PCP are not psychedelics)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2009 at 20:52

Yeah, the problem with LSD is the bad trip, and bad trips usually happen when you're in a bad mood or when you're already a mentally unstable person.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2009 at 21:00
Everytime I watch Fear and Loathing it reminds me of the good times that can happen.That and Withnail and I and the doors film as well for some weird reason.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2009 at 22:36
Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

In response to what someone said earlier.
 
Gong = Anti drugs?
 
Man if those guys didn't do drugs, they did one hell of a job faking it. From some of the performances I've seen, Daevid Allen looked like he was tripping balls.
 
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by annexusquam annexusquam wrote:

Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Someone who would know once sang....
 
first it giveth then it taketh away.........
 
 
which means....? cause my english is not that good
(I think) it means that drugs can inspire music in the beginning but as the adiction takes hold the creativity vanishes.
 
Psychedelic drugs are not addictive, not even on a mental level.. If someone abuses those drugs and gets really excessive with them, then that's a personal choice that could have easly been avoided. A lot of musicians used LCD and they were just fine as long as they used it in moderation.
 
As for pot, you pretty much can't abuse pot at all.


If you have an addictive personality, it's possible to abuse pot. I know a dude going to rehab for severe pot abuse, but again, it must be stressed this was because he had an addictive personality and other underlying issues. For most people, it is correct that you generally wont get addicted to it and really wont affect your life in the way that a meth addiction would.
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