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Roj 
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 Posted: January 30 2009 at 03:21 |
I always find it very difficult to choose a definitive "best" as my opinion tends to vary from time to time. However, I would place the albums from Kill Em All through to And Justice For All as absolute classics in my metal top echelon.
Others I'd place there, off the cuff include Van Halen I, Fair Warning, Powerslave, Slayer's Hell Awaits, Hysteria by Def Leppard and most of DT's catalogue.
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Posted: January 30 2009 at 07:30 |
 toolis wrote:
progrocker2244 wrote:
lazland wrote:
I hate thrash almost as much as I hated most punk.Black Sabbath Heaven & Hell is up there, but I would go for Rainbow Rising - an utter classic of heavy rock.
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I'm assuming that means you don't like prog metal, because almost all prog metal bands were influenced from thrash. |
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When one knows or remembers that Dream Theater covered Metallica with Mark Greenaway on vocals in 1994, one can say it. I could even quote some critics who wrote that Dream Theater's 'Awaken' was close to some technical thrash-metal bands! Without mentionning Mekong Delta (prog-metal? progressive thrash-metal?). On the other hand, I would not say that ALL prog-metal bands are influenced by thrash-metal: Queensrÿche or Savatage started its carreer in the same years that Metallica or Slayer and barely knew these bands.
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Posted: January 30 2009 at 14:47 |
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CPicard
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Posted: February 01 2009 at 06:23 |
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I missed the "almost". My bad.
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Lev
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Posted: February 03 2009 at 13:11 |
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Best metal album?
Far, far from it. It definitely can't be the best, because Ride The Lightning and Kill 'Em All are better albums. But come on, think about it. Sabbath, Maiden, Dio, Saxon...Metallica don't come close.
They're not even top of thrash. Vio-Lence pap all over them.
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Posted: February 03 2009 at 14:44 |
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Nope
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JLocke
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Posted: February 03 2009 at 18:23 |
I don't think so. Though, IU've apparently been making alot of stupid claims lately on the forums, so I could be wrong.
But I really don't think so.
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moodyxadi
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Posted: February 03 2009 at 18:51 |
JayDee wrote:
Is Master of Puppets the greatest metal album ever?
Not in my list. Probably Metallica's best work so far, but to say that it's the best metal album ever is for me, an overstatement.
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The original question shows a giant vacuum of knowledge and is so a-historic that the polite answer above easily replaces my first strong answer. Maybe - maybe - the most popular thrash metal album. Not the best IMO, I'm from the Slayer side of the street. I understand those opinions because they are reasonable, sensible and had some embasement, musically and historically speaking. But to say that any band from the 80's released the best metal album ever is just a mistake. Someone can argue about Iron Maiden, and this would be the only exception for a serious discussion about the merits of the greatest metal album of all time. But Metallica only would appear in a top ten best metal albums list IF it wasn't allowed to quote more than an album per band. Only Black Sabbath could esily get three or four albums in a multiple albums-list. I know the majority of the members of this site is composed by young people but I believe that if they really love music (and prog rock is a genre that demands some study on rock'n'roll, jazz and classical music history to be well appreciated) they must do a deep dig on the 70's. Although I really love a lot of NWOBHM and 80's-thrash bands (and some 90's death too) the best and most influential metal are in the 70's. This is true about heavy metal, prog rock and hard rock. Let the fans of others pop genres fight.
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Bach, Ma, Bros, Déia, Dante.
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Posted: February 03 2009 at 20:17 |
moodyxadi wrote:
The original question shows a giant vacuum of knowledge and is so a-historic that the polite answer above easily replaces my first strong answer.
Maybe - maybe - the most popular thrash metal album. Not the best IMO, I'm from the Slayer side of the street. I understand those opinions because they are reasonable, sensible and had some embasement, musically and historically speaking. But to say that any band from the 80's released the best metal album ever is just a mistake.
Someone can argue about Iron Maiden, and this would be the only exception for a serious discussion about the merits of the greatest metal album of all time. But Metallica only would appear in a top ten best metal albums list IF it wasn't allowed to quote more than an album per band. Only Black Sabbath could esily get three or four albums in a multiple albums-list.
I know the majority of the members of this site is composed by young people but I believe that if they really love music (and prog rock is a genre that demands some study on rock'n'roll, jazz and classical music history to be well appreciated) they must do a deep dig on the 70's. Although I really love a lot of NWOBHM and 80's-thrash bands (and some 90's death too) the best and most influential metal are in the 70's. This is true about heavy metal, prog rock and hard rock. Let the fans of others pop genres fight.
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Strange, you say you are from the Slayer side of the street and yet you feel not one album from the 80s can be the best metal album. How so? Because in terms of influence, metal today is more closely tied to the 80s than the 70s. I don't see it as a 70s genre at all, while some very important and indeed some of the best metal albums did come out in the 70s, 80s was the big metal explosion just like 70s for prog. 80s is choc a bloc with seminal metal albums and it's safe to say that without whatever took root in the 80s, metal would have continued to be a heavy rock appendage rather than a full fledged genre of its own, so I have to differ with you, however well considered your opinion may be.
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moodyxadi
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Posted: February 04 2009 at 19:26 |
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Just explaining my comment about Slayer: as far as we're talking about the best Thrash metal album, I beleieve Slayer's Reign in blood is the one. But I didn't say that Slayer has the best metal album.
Thanks for your comment. I disagree with you, although I recognize that the 80's was the big time for metal's comercial success - this is fact. But I beleieve the albums from the founders are most influential in pop music in general (not only in heavy metal territory).
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Bach, Ma, Bros, Déia, Dante.
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Posted: February 04 2009 at 20:13 |
moodyxadi wrote:
I disagree with you, although I recognize that the 80's was the big time for metal's comercial success - this is fact. But I beleieve the albums from the founders are most influential in pop music in general (not only in heavy metal territory).
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Actually whether or not 80s metal enjoyed commercial success is not particularly important to me because save for 86-87, when all the big four of thrash entered the billboards, whatever metal charted was none too different from what had been done in the 70s. I was referring to the underground explosion in the 80s, the explosion of extreme metal to be specific. The ideas covered during this explosion still find resonance today in metal and more so than those put forth by the 70s bands, which is why I'd consider the 80s as the most important period in metal. Of course, you are free to have a different opinion, but just wanted to clarify that my opinion is not based on the relative commercial success of metal in either era. And I am curious to know whether you consider the mid-late 60s period more defining of prog or the 70s, I know that for me it is the latter.
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Zargus
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Posted: February 10 2009 at 15:21 |
Black Sabbath's Paranoid album is the best metal album ever IMO. And from Metallica i whuld say Ride the lightning is the best album.
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Pnoom!
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Posted: February 10 2009 at 16:32 |
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Is it the greatest? Yeah, probably.
Is it the best? Hell no.
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