Is Master of Puppets the greatest metal album ever
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Topic: Is Master of Puppets the greatest metal album ever
Posted By: J-Man
Subject: Is Master of Puppets the greatest metal album ever
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 16:05
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This comes up all the time in the thrash metal community. People always are arguing whether or not Puppets is the greatest metal album ever. I say that it's definitely up there with the best, but I'm not sure I'd call it THE best metal album ever. Just wondering what progheads, not metalheads, think about this one.  ------------- 
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Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 16:11
| Master of Puppets is great , but And Justice for All is the best. Of course if you let me include Live after Death , then I will have to go with the Maiden. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 16:13
| Definitely one of the best, though in my opinion not the very best. There are other equally great albums in 'classic' metal (to name but one, Black Sabbath's Heaven and Hell), though Master of Puppets is certainly one of the most groundbreaking. |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 16:28
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The best one? No. One of the best ones. Anyway, after spending years listening to many metal bands, I would NEVER say: "This band is the best one, this disc is the best one". Too much musicians to think about. Moreover, I'm still singing the praises of Iron Maiden's "Powerslave". |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 16:39
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I'd vote for Mindcrime.
And I played in a Metallica cover band for several years. Justice has the more prog-gy songs (I love Harvester of Sorrow), but I suppose Puppets is the best overall Metallica album. Their three disc reign was pretty impressive.
It depends what kind of metal you're talking about too. Ozzy's Randy Rhoads Tribute album is phenomenal. Whitesnake 1987 is a great album. Then of course there's Appetite and Slippery When Wet, which may not be your cup of tea but hit their respective targets dead center. Gretchen Goes to Nebraska, FNM's Real Thing, and Extreme II all deserve mention too.
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Posted By: Alberto Muńoz
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 19:02
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One of the best but not the best IMO
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 19:06
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No. Scenes from a Memory is.  ------------- 
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 19:38
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No.
The first Black Sabbath album is IMHO the greatest metal album ever!
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 19:58
| Best thrash, maybe. |
Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 23:57
| not the best Metal nor the best Thrash Metal, |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 00:13
| Quite possibly, yes. |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 00:54
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Master of Puppets, obviously one of the most influential, but I can think of many metal albums I rate above it. I think The Thing That Should Not Be is a really crap song to be honest, and drags down the album a bit, I always skip that song. Speaking purely in terms of thrash metal, I think Rust In Peace by Megadeth is the best thrash metal album of all time, hasn't been topped before or since it was released IMO. I even think Metallica's own Ride The Lightning is a superior listening experience *waits for people tell me I'm being blasphemous and not in a good way* In broader metal terms, some more albums I rate above MoP include: Jester Race by In Flames Images and Words by Dream Theater Slaughter Of The Soul by At The Gates This Godless Endeavor by Nevermore Powerslave by Iron Maiden Colors by Between the Buried and Me Oceanic by Isis Chaosphere by Meshuggah The Fire In Our Throats Will Beckon The Thaw by Pelican And that's off the top of my head so far. |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 01:16
| Not the best metal album , for sure for me, among the best maybe, but everything Iron Maiden release in the '80's is far more challenging, at least for me, |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 01:26
| One of the best IMO. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 05:53
| Decent album, but not my vote for greatest by far, that would be Black Sabbath's Heaven and Hell closely followed by Judas Priest's Stained Class. MOP is not even the best thrash metal album in my book, there have been better albums, by Metallica and by other bands, it depends on how much you like thrash metal and how much thrash, in turn, you've listened to. |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 06:15
Is Master of Puppets the greatest metal album ever?Not in my list. Probably Metallica's best work so far, but to say that it's the best metal album ever is for me, an overstatement. ------------- 
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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 07:55
| It may well be, it was certainly my favourite metal album for a long time when it was released in the 80's. If not the best then it's Metallica's best at least IMO and wouldn't be far off the top of any list of greatest metal albums. |
Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 08:01
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Master Of Puppets is one of the best, along with No Sleep Til Hammersmith, Metal Machine Music, and the first Carcass album
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 09:12
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Top 10, best Thrash as Stony said.
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 13:44
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No. Frankly, I don't think any Metallica albums are that good. I think they're very important and influential, and surely when considering strictly thrash metal they're at the top, but so many better bands have come out in metal music. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph  
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 13:47
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I hate thrash almost as much as I hated most punk. Black Sabbath Heaven & Hell is up there, but I would go for Rainbow Rising - an utter classic of heavy rock. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 14:50
Three disc reign? I would say it's more like 4 if you're not including Kill Em All. -------------
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Negoba wrote:Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 14:56
I'm assuming that means you don't like prog metal, because almost all prog metal bands were influenced from thrash. -------------
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 14:57
SFAM is my favorite album of all time currently, but I'm not sure to what extent I would call it a metal album... -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 15:01
About to the extent as you could call prog-metal metal. |
Posted By: Nuke
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 17:22
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I love this album to death, but I like Ride The Lightning better to be honest. And I can't say that either is my #1 album, and I don't even know if I could name my favorite metal album.
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Posted By: AlbertMond
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 21:55
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Posted By: AlbertMond
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 21:59
I haven't checked this out, but even if it's true, I think Prog Metal could certainly have evolved in the absence of Thrash. ------------- Promotion so blatant that it's sad:
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 06:41
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greatest metal album... hmmm.. Sad Wings of Destiny... in fact... putting that one on. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Anirml
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 08:54
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Master of Puppets sucks imo (the drumming is terrible) I like many NWOBHM bands alot
Witchfinder General's "Death Penalty", My Favorite metal album at the moment
Rainbow's "Rainbow Rising", Great album
Black Sabbath's "Heaven and Hell", Amazing album
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 10:56
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NO.
There's no things as the "greatest this" or the "greatest that. Just enjoy what you like and live with it.
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 11:06
Lots of great metal albums out there....so it would be very difficult to say which is the greatest...Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Heaven and Hell, the first Symphony X album, The Spectre Within, Awake, IAW, SFAM, Symphony X's V, Barry Manilow's Greatest Hits (how did that get in there?  ), and Master of Puppets certainly ranks up there, although my favorite Metallica album has always been Justice. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Nuke
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 11:21
I think you're right about that one. At least that is one of the greatest. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Seabury">
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: January 30 2009 at 01:24
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"Puppets" is a great album but the best album ever made is Led Zeppelin 4
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: January 30 2009 at 01:30
The topic is about the greatest metal album dude. Led Zep IV ain't really metal (at least, not in my opinion, it's hard rock/heavy rock/heavy blues rock). |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: January 30 2009 at 01:32
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If anything, I think the 90s produced some of the best quality metal albums of all time, hence why I don't think MoP is the best metal album ever. A lot of the 90s death metal scene was seriously slammin' IMHO, some of it better than anything ever made in the 80s. Hell, even a few thrash standouts in the 90s, Rust In Peace immediately springing to mind. Even though the 80s is known as the decade of thrash metal and Rust In Peace is a 90s release, I think it's superior to any thrash album from the 80s. |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: January 30 2009 at 01:32
it may not be metal but it's solid gold
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: January 30 2009 at 01:33
Yes, but your post should be in General Music Discussions, not in a thread asking "Is MoP the best metal album ever?"  |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: January 30 2009 at 01:43
Led Zeppelin 4 = prog related = biggest influence on heavy metal 
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: January 30 2009 at 01:49
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Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: January 30 2009 at 03:21
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I always find it very difficult to choose a definitive "best" as my opinion tends to vary from time to time. However, I would place the albums from Kill Em All through to And Justice For All as absolute classics in my metal top echelon.
Others I'd place there, off the cuff include Van Halen I, Fair Warning, Powerslave, Slayer's Hell Awaits, Hysteria by Def Leppard and most of DT's catalogue.
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 30 2009 at 07:30
When one knows or remembers that Dream Theater covered Metallica with Mark Greenaway on vocals in 1994, one can say it. I could even quote some critics who wrote that Dream Theater's 'Awaken' was close to some technical thrash-metal bands! Without mentionning Mekong Delta (prog-metal? progressive thrash-metal?). On the other hand, I would not say that ALL prog-metal bands are influenced by thrash-metal: Queensr˙che or Savatage started its carreer in the same years that Metallica or Slayer and barely knew these bands. |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: January 30 2009 at 14:47
I would not say all prog metal bands were influenced from thrash either. That's why I said ALMOST all prog metal bands were influenced from thrash. -------------
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: February 01 2009 at 06:23
| I missed the "almost". My bad. |
Posted By: Lev
Date Posted: February 03 2009 at 13:11
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Best metal album? Far, far from it. It definitely can't be the best, because Ride The Lightning and Kill 'Em All are better albums. But come on, think about it. Sabbath, Maiden, Dio, Saxon...Metallica don't come close. They're not even top of thrash. Vio-Lence pap all over them. ------------- 
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Posted By: Greg W
Date Posted: February 03 2009 at 14:44
| Nope |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: February 03 2009 at 18:23
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I don't think so. Though, IU've apparently been making alot of stupid claims lately on the forums, so I could be wrong.
But I really don't think so.
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Posted By: moodyxadi
Date Posted: February 03 2009 at 18:51
The original question shows a giant vacuum of knowledge and is so a-historic that the polite answer above easily replaces my first strong answer. Maybe - maybe - the most popular thrash metal album. Not the best IMO, I'm from the Slayer side of the street. I understand those opinions because they are reasonable, sensible and had some embasement, musically and historically speaking. But to say that any band from the 80's released the best metal album ever is just a mistake. Someone can argue about Iron Maiden, and this would be the only exception for a serious discussion about the merits of the greatest metal album of all time. But Metallica only would appear in a top ten best metal albums list IF it wasn't allowed to quote more than an album per band. Only Black Sabbath could esily get three or four albums in a multiple albums-list. I know the majority of the members of this site is composed by young people but I believe that if they really love music (and prog rock is a genre that demands some study on rock'n'roll, jazz and classical music history to be well appreciated) they must do a deep dig on the 70's. Although I really love a lot of NWOBHM and 80's-thrash bands (and some 90's death too) the best and most influential metal are in the 70's. This is true about heavy metal, prog rock and hard rock. Let the fans of others pop genres fight. ------------- Bach, Ma, Bros, Déia, Dante. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 03 2009 at 20:17
Strange, you say you are from the Slayer side of the street and yet you feel not one album from the 80s can be the best metal album. How so? Because in terms of influence, metal today is more closely tied to the 80s than the 70s. I don't see it as a 70s genre at all, while some very important and indeed some of the best metal albums did come out in the 70s, 80s was the big metal explosion just like 70s for prog. 80s is choc a bloc with seminal metal albums and it's safe to say that without whatever took root in the 80s, metal would have continued to be a heavy rock appendage rather than a full fledged genre of its own, so I have to differ with you, however well considered your opinion may be.
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Posted By: moodyxadi
Date Posted: February 04 2009 at 19:26
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Just explaining my comment about Slayer: as far as we're talking about the best Thrash metal album, I beleieve Slayer's Reign in blood is the one. But I didn't say that Slayer has the best metal album. Thanks for your comment. I disagree with you, although I recognize that the 80's was the big time for metal's comercial success - this is fact. But I beleieve the albums from the founders are most influential in pop music in general (not only in heavy metal territory). ------------- Bach, Ma, Bros, Déia, Dante. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 04 2009 at 20:13
Actually whether or not 80s metal enjoyed commercial success is not particularly important to me because save for 86-87, when all the big four of thrash entered the billboards, whatever metal charted was none too different from what had been done in the 70s. I was referring to the underground explosion in the 80s, the explosion of extreme metal to be specific. The ideas covered during this explosion still find resonance today in metal and more so than those put forth by the 70s bands, which is why I'd consider the 80s as the most important period in metal. Of course, you are free to have a different opinion, but just wanted to clarify that my opinion is not based on the relative commercial success of metal in either era. And I am curious to know whether you consider the mid-late 60s period more defining of prog or the 70s, I know that for me it is the latter.
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: February 10 2009 at 15:21
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Black Sabbath's Paranoid album is the best metal album ever IMO. And from Metallica i whuld say Ride the lightning is the best album. ------------- 
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: February 10 2009 at 16:32
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Is it the greatest? Yeah, probably. Is it the best? Hell no. |