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Poll Question: Any chance this film won't be a complete disaster?
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After having seen a scene from "Watchmen" I must say I have no intention of reading it. Nor will I watch the movie.


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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

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First time I hear about this Watchmen stuff... just saw the trailer and I´m reading a bit about the comic in Wikipedia... I´ve never been a fan of comics, will this make me feel any different?
Probably. It was the only graphic novel on Time's 100 Best Books of the Century list, because it's as in depth as a novel.

Well, the excerpt I saw of the movie was as deep as any action flic, which means "not at al", of course. That lets me fear for the worst.
There are some comics I do like, but not necessarily because of their depth. I haven't read "Watchmen" and never even heard of it. What's so special about the comic?


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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

First time I hear about this Watchmen stuff... just saw the trailer and I´m reading a bit about the comic in Wikipedia... I´ve never been a fan of comics, will this make me feel any different?
Probably. It was the only graphic novel on Time's 100 Best Books of the Century list, because it's as in depth as a novel.

Well, the excerpt I saw of the movie was as deep as any action flic, which means "not at al", of course. That lets me fear for the worst.
There are some comics I do like, but not necessarily because of their depth. I haven't read "Watchmen" and never even heard of it. What's so special about the comic?
 
Please don't judge the graphic novel by clips of the movie.  They are two very different animals.  The graphic novel is a deep and flawlessly written and visualized deconstruction of the superhero while the film emphasises action, trying to jam in the substance as it goes.  I don't read comics myself but I felt compelled to read Watchmen and I'm glad I did because it turned out to be one of the best books I've ever read.  All I can say to you is: just read it, don't see the movie, just read the book and see what you think.  Can't tell you how you'll like it, that's up to you.


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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

After having seen a scene from "Watchmen" I must say I have no intention of reading it. Nor will I watch the movie.


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Making it really long would make it even more pointless.  The story has been told in graphic novel form, and there's really no need to tell it in another form.  Like I said, there's very little a movie can do that a graphic novel can't.  The graphic novel gives you all the visualization of the characters and setting that you need, and you can draw plenty of emotion from dialog and facial expressions.  Fight scenes are more exhilarating in full motion film, but there are so few in Watchmen that it doesn't really matter.  So, you could make a ten hour movie that was exactly like the book, right down to every detail, and it would still be totally extraneous.  If the movie's going to be exactly the same as the book, then what reason is there to make the movie in the first place?
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I was very happy with the movie (saw it in Imax with some friends a couple days ago) but have never read the graphic novel.  My friend who has though said it was pretty faithful to the original with only one difference towards the end.
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I finally went to the movies to see Watchmen:I must admit this is a very good film.Of course it doesn't equal the graphic novel but it's powerful,well made with lots of trippy moments(some images reminded me of Hypgnosis' artworks).
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Friede,

I have not read Watchmen but I was listening to a review programme on the radio about the film.  Apparently the film has a lot of violence in it in places, whilst the graphic novel does not.

So please do not be put off by the clips you have seen and read the original graphic novel.

I plan to do so myself eventually.
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I saw the film 2 days ago and liked it. Will read the book eventually.

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Originally posted by Sasquamo Sasquamo wrote:

Making it really long would make it even more pointless.  The story has been told in graphic novel form, and there's really no need to tell it in another form.  Like I said, there's very little a movie can do that a graphic novel can't.  The graphic novel gives you all the visualization of the characters and setting that you need, and you can draw plenty of emotion from dialog and facial expressions.  Fight scenes are more exhilarating in full motion film, but there are so few in Watchmen that it doesn't really matter.  So, you could make a ten hour movie that was exactly like the book, right down to every detail, and it would still be totally extraneous.  If the movie's going to be exactly the same as the book, then what reason is there to make the movie in the first place?
 
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

After having seen a scene from "Watchmen" I must say I have no intention of reading it. Nor will I watch the movie.


I cannot imagine a bigger mistake related to films and their source material.
Plus keep in mind that the people who make the trailers are not the ones who make the movie! Trailers are made by small production companies hired by the big company executives. What they look for is to make something as appealing as possible, and Watchmen (although very appealing) isn´t appealing in a mainstream way, so the trailer must focus on those more "pop-corn" related subjects such as big special effects, catch frases and fight scenes. The original idea can really change from the actual movie to the trailer. I remember watching the "Zodiac" trailer and thinking this must be one of the most boring dectective-catch the bad guy before it´s too late movies ever, until I saw it was made by David Fincher... and Zodiac kicks f**king ass!!! Another example is "The break-up", and although the movie is terribly bad (and no trailer can make it seem like a good movie), the trailer did promise the new "comedy of the year" with two very "funny" actors... and the movie is not funny at all, and not because it´s a flawed comedy, or at least not only and primarly, but because the movie is a light drama... but the trailer did not let you know that... trailers must be taken carefully.
 
And I´m reading Watchmen... it´s even better than what I imagined it would be, and at the same time it´s not something incredibly innovative... it´s just extremly well written and thought! Kudos Alan Moore!
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Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Originally posted by Sasquamo Sasquamo wrote:

Making it really long would make it even more pointless.  The story has been told in graphic novel form, and there's really no need to tell it in another form.  Like I said, there's very little a movie can do that a graphic novel can't.  The graphic novel gives you all the visualization of the characters and setting that you need, and you can draw plenty of emotion from dialog and facial expressions.  Fight scenes are more exhilarating in full motion film, but there are so few in Watchmen that it doesn't really matter.  So, you could make a ten hour movie that was exactly like the book, right down to every detail, and it would still be totally extraneous.  If the movie's going to be exactly the same as the book, then what reason is there to make the movie in the first place?
 
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Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Originally posted by Sasquamo Sasquamo wrote:

Making it really long would make it even more pointless.  The story has been told in graphic novel form, and there's really no need to tell it in another form.  Like I said, there's very little a movie can do that a graphic novel can't.  The graphic novel gives you all the visualization of the characters and setting that you need, and you can draw plenty of emotion from dialog and facial expressions.  Fight scenes are more exhilarating in full motion film, but there are so few in Watchmen that it doesn't really matter.  So, you could make a ten hour movie that was exactly like the book, right down to every detail, and it would still be totally extraneous.  If the movie's going to be exactly the same as the book, then what reason is there to make the movie in the first place?
 
Nobody seemed to mind the Lord of the Rings films


The Lord of the Rings was originally a normal book, with nothing other than words for description.  Therefore, although the films didn't add much to the story or characters, it managed to be extremely entertaining by providing visualization to characters, settings, and battles that we could only imagine before.  Watchmen is a graphic novel, so it has lots of pictures to show characters, emotions, and settings.  The graphic novel format works great for the story.  Their is so little action that movement to the pictures isn't necessary and wouldn't add much.  What I'm trying to say is, a graphic novel is already so close to a movie that if you're going from a graphic novel to a movie, something should be changed or expanded to keep it interesting.  A straight adaptation simply won't cut it like it does for normal novels like Lord of the Rings.
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Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Having read the legendary graphic novel Watchmen by Alan Moore, and having seen the 2nd trailer for the film version, I agree with Moore's assessment that his work is  "inherently unfilmable" .  Originally I had hopes that it might be ok, considering director Zach Snyder had originally promised a faithful adaptation but the more I hear and see about the upcoming film this hope dims.  I mean the 2nd trailer is just ridiculous!  So, I ask those of you who have read Watchmen: Is there any chance this film won't be a complete disaster?


Hmm...probably not.I agree that the trailer was disastrous.But let me ask you something....
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Originally posted by Gustavo Froes Gustavo Froes wrote:

Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Having read the legendary graphic novel Watchmen by Alan Moore, and having seen the 2nd trailer for the film version, I agree with Moore's assessment that his work is  "inherently unfilmable" .  Originally I had hopes that it might be ok, considering director Zach Snyder had originally promised a faithful adaptation but the more I hear and see about the upcoming film this hope dims.  I mean the 2nd trailer is just ridiculous!  So, I ask those of you who have read Watchmen: Is there any chance this film won't be a complete disaster?


Hmm...probably not.I agree that the trailer was disastrous.But let me ask you something....
I've noticed your activity in amny movie-concerned threads,and you actually seem to have a great taste/understanding for cinema.Did you ACTUALLY liked the oscar winning movie in your avatarAngry??
 
Loved it.  Best film released in at least the last decade and beyond (when did Silence of the Lambs come out Wink).  I don't like the implication of that question but being fair, before i react, I'll give you a chance to call it.  Go ahead, call it.


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Did you ACTUALLY liked the oscar winning movie in your avatarAngry??
No Country For Old Men was a great film. I was surprised to learn that so many people missed the point and were really angry about the ending.
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Gustavo Froes Gustavo Froes wrote:

Did you ACTUALLY liked the oscar winning movie in your avatarAngry??
No Country For Old Men was a great film. I was surprised to learn that so many people missed the point and were really angry about the ending.

What was the point?

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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Gustavo Froes Gustavo Froes wrote:

Did you ACTUALLY liked the oscar winning movie in your avatarAngry??
No Country For Old Men was a great film. I was surprised to learn that so many people missed the point and were really angry about the ending.

What was the point?

I probably know, but let's hear it.
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Watchmen wasn't bad at all. Shocked Very faithful to the original comic. Me likey! Thumbs Up
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Saw it yesterday. My reaction:

"Well, that was certainly a film of Watchmen, there".

Ultimately, it was as good as it probably ever could be given the limits of film as a framework and the huge amount of material needing to be condensed/selected from in order to effectively tell the story. Ultimately, though, did it actually need to happen?

Oh, and Friede, surely you know better than to judge a book by the film it's based on? The film, I grant you, can come across as a mindless action flick at times but to dismiss Moore/Gibbon's visionary work as a mindless action comic by association is simply a huge mistake. The graphic novel is a book about people and ideas; far-reaching in its implications, astonishing in its depth and simply one of the most absorbing books I've ever read.

Have you never wondered what a world with superheros would really be like? What could drive a rational human being to dress up in a silly costume and start apprehending criminals and getting in the way of the police? The kind of flaws and insecurities such a person might have? That (and much more besides) is what drives the book. Mindless it is not. Please give it a go sometime.
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