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Petrovsk Mizinski 
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 Posted: December 31 2008 at 02:07 |
 Dim wrote:
A couple questions... Who listens to death metal for the lyrical content? Who really cares what they mean, we just want to hear the guy growl? How can you even understand the lyrics to begin with?
I'll admit, I dont like most Death metal, but I love extreme vocals, and almost every kind of metal that goes with them. Death metal is a style of music, if it were defined it's lyrical content, Almost all of metal would be diefined as death metal. Music is a form of MUSIC! |
Yeah, I barely try to decipher lyrics in death metal/music with death growls either really. I just like the sound of the vocals.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: December 31 2008 at 02:36 |
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If I was in hospital, with a disease that might have a chance of being cure, but it cannot be certain that it will be, the music I'd want to be listening to is death metal.
Give me Slow We Rot by Obituary to listen to. Why?
Because it will give me hope and give me a positive outlook, which is what I'd need in a situation like that.
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Failcore
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Posted: December 31 2008 at 02:58 |
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As has been said, not all extreme metal is about death. And even if it is, that's not necessarily bad. In fact some of the most meaningful lyrics I know deal with mortality. What bugs me is when the lyrics trivialize death in extremely retarded ways (singing about flying body parts and sex with dead bodies, etc). These are the same morons who probably laugh hysterically every time they blow someone away in their video games. Just really childish and dumb. If all you take away from the concept of death is just the visage of dead flesh then you've completely missed the point IMO. So, in short I don't really side with anyone here and I've probably pissed you all off. But to OP, I think you're really starting to beat a dead horse with all these threads. Lumping an entire genre in the suck pile just b/c some of it is crap is just the epitome of foolishness.
Edited by Deathrabbit - December 31 2008 at 02:59
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UMUR
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Posted: December 31 2008 at 03:06 |
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I donīt have a problem with people singing about sex with dead bodies (Itīs not exactly tasteful IMO, but itīs their choice). Itīs your choice if you want to listen lyrics like that. I like splatter/ horror movies as well. Itīs an aquired taste and a personal choice.
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Failcore
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Posted: December 31 2008 at 03:18 |
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I don't have a problem with anyone listening to anything really. But I wouldn't listen for reasons aforementioned.
Edited by Deathrabbit - December 31 2008 at 03:19
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: December 31 2008 at 03:47 |
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Mindless sex death metal can sometimes have a certain appeal. Cold Ethel is very nice fun song too.
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Failcore
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Posted: December 31 2008 at 03:58 |
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FTW
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UMUR
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Posted: December 31 2008 at 04:45 |
Splatterday Night Fever 
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: December 31 2008 at 05:12 |
DavetheSlave wrote:
Hi WinterLight - been there, done it, watched it, cauysed it etc etc!!! Nothin beautiful or mysteryfilled about it. Nothin at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Speak to me. Anyone want to dispute my credibility in South Africa??????? Nothin to write no amazing songs about - believe that!!!!!!!! Death is ugly and it always will be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Why shouldn't people write songs about ugly things? Does it always have to be "shiny, happy people"? 
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UMUR
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Posted: December 31 2008 at 05:22 |
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Thatīs my point too. Writing about ugly things sometimes stir up interesting educational debates as opposed to discussions about happy subjects that we pretty much all agree on are great ( love, peace on earth...etc.)
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JayDee
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Posted: December 31 2008 at 05:42 |
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Death.
Nom, nom, nom, nom, nom!!!
Uhmmmm, yummy.
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el böthy
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Posted: December 31 2008 at 08:51 |
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Hey El Bothy - you ever watched death???? I have and there's nothing worth writing a song about!!!!!!!!!!! People come and people go! Death aint no mystery and nore is it poetic!!! Death is a reality of life and believe me, it is an ugly senseless reality!!! Maybe that's why Death Metal holds nothing at all for me!!!! Life's emotion however holds a lot for me - hence my lov e of Duke (Genesis) |
Ok, good for you. If you canīt see pass your own opinion then I donīt think this discussion will go any further... 
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el böthy
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Posted: December 31 2008 at 09:01 |
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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CCVP
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Posted: December 31 2008 at 09:14 |
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Jim Garten
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Posted: December 31 2008 at 09:26 |
el böthy wrote:
DavetheSlave wrote:
Hey El Bothy - you ever watched death???? I have and there's nothing worth writing a song about!!!!!!!!!!! People come and people go! Death aint no mystery and nore is it poetic!!! Death is a reality of life and believe me, it is an ugly senseless reality!!! Maybe that's why Death Metal holds nothing at all for me!!!! Life's emotion however holds a lot for me - hence my lov e of Duke (Genesis) |
Ok, good for you. If you canīt see past your own opinion then I donīt think this discussion will go any further... |
Luckily, several people can see past this opinion, which is why this is becoming a very interesting topic 
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Mind you:
Give me Slow We Rot by Obituary to listen to. Why?
Because it will give me hope and give me a positive outlook |
Never having been into death metal myself, I hope you'll allow me a chuckle at the above quote; I'm genuinely not taking the mickey, but to me, the idea of a song called 'slow we rot' by a band called 'obituary' seems a million miles awy from the concept of 'hope and a positive outlook'
Edited by Jim Garten - December 31 2008 at 09:32
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UMUR
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Posted: December 31 2008 at 09:45 |
Good old Obituary.
Originally posted by UMUR
Well Iīve only attended concerts in Denmark, and even though mosh pits can seem violent to outsiders itīs rather like a weird tribal dance. Never heard about anyone dying in a mosh-pit but I guess if they are big enough something terrible could happen and of course I donīt indulge that. It has to happen under restricted forms and following certain rules. But as I said Iīve never encountered anything aggressive/ violent in a mosh-pit. Lots of fun and a couple of bruises but thatīs it. Again itīs important to remember that itīs a personal choice what you listen to or participate in. |
You definitely have never seen a mosh-pit in Brazil, that's for sure. 
Nope I havenīt. And as I said it should happen under some sort of restrictions. And again I want to emphasise that you know when you enter a mosh-pit that itīs at your own risk and itīs your own personal choice if you want to participate.
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 31 2008 at 09:54 |
UMUR wrote:
Nope I havenīt. And as I said it should happen under some sort of restrictions. And again I want to emphasise that you know when you enter a mosh-pit that itīs at your own risk and itīs your own personal choice if you want to participate. |
But it's not always so cut-and-dry , you do appreciate that you can be pushed into the moshpit too against your wishes! You have to stick to the left/right of the crowd, if you are in the center, you will be sucked into the pit in no time and then enjoy getting beaten up! And when the headline act starts, it's all you can do to keep pushing forward....falter behind and lo, the moshpit welcomes you with open arms!
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UMUR
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Posted: December 31 2008 at 10:10 |
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I think Mosh-pits are an important part of extreme metal concerts and most people who attend those concerts enjoy them. Either as voyers or participants. The few who donīt might have chosen to attend a wrong forum. Go see an Elton John concert is my advice.
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UMUR
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Posted: December 31 2008 at 10:20 |
Or even better Cliff Richard ( my favorite artist  )
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rushfan4
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Posted: December 31 2008 at 10:43 |
Death metal is definitely not my cup of tea, but to each their own. Personally, I come from the liberal school of thought that just about everything is fair game when it comes to art, as long as "no animals were harmed in the making of this film". The great thing about music is that it comes with an off button, a mute button, and generally it requires you to make an effort to have it cross your ears; although there is generally little you can do when sitting in traffic and the car next to you is blasting music loud enough to shake your fillings. Translated: if you don't like it, you don't have to listen to it.
That being said, I could be wrong but I think that Dave means well with his point of view, even if it isn't being taken well. Many and maybe even most people can listen to death metal music entirely for entertainment value and they are never going to go out and commit the atrocities that are sung about within the songs. Same theory as with slasher movies; many or most people who enjoy these watch them for the entertainment value and are never going to go on to become slashers. But there is always going to be that percentage of the population that are impressionable and who could come under the influence of this type of music and go on to commit the atrocities that are sung about within these type of songs or within those type of movies. I think that that becomes a question of nature versus nurture. Does the music or the movies cause people to commit the atrocities or would the people have committed the atrocities anyways, and they gravitate towards that type of music because it is within their nature? I think that this is one of those things that psychiatrists/psychologists/sociologists have debated and will debate for years.
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