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Blacksword View Drop Down

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Posted: April 20 2005 at 05:32

Bad Yes albums:

Tormato & anything AFTER 90125 (I liked that album )

Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!

VLADO

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Posted: April 20 2005 at 06:00

Trouserpress wrote:

VLADO wrote:

Arsillus wrote:

Reed Lover wrote:

NetsNJFan wrote:

Bad Yes Albums:

1978 - Tormato
1987 - Big Generator
1994 - Talk
1997 - Open Your Eyes
2001 - Magnification

Add "Union" to that list and I agree 100% Confused
6 crap studio albums for a band like Yes is a disgrace and an insult to the fans! Angry

I agree, except Tormato and Magnification aren't all that bad. OK, at least Tormato. I bought Union (used, thank goodness) when I first got into Yes- partially lured by the awesome cover . I eventually sold it back a while after to the place I got it from.

No no no, they are all great, especially Magnification is !the best Yes album ever!

Vlado... have you actually HEARD Open Your Eyes or Union?! You sound like someone in denial.

Of course i have. I like open your eyes very much, Union less, but it is lucky album in terms they united again. The yes music is close to my heart, i understand it, and I do not mind some shortcomings if any

...and in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make...

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Posted: April 20 2005 at 06:09

Reed Lover wrote:

NetsNJFan wrote:

Bad Yes Albums:

1978 - Tormato
1987 - Big Generator
1994 - Talk
1997 - Open You Eyes
2001 - Magnification

Add "Union" to that list and I agree 100% Confused
6 crap studio albums for a band like Yes is a disgrace and an insult to the fans! Angry

Well....I am going to disagree with both of you. I like elements of all the above so called crap albums. I especially like the 2 Disc version of "Magnification" - In fact I really can't think of a "Yes" album that I totally hate.

"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence"
- Robert Fripp

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Posted: April 20 2005 at 06:11

Oh ... and forgot to add I like ABWH too

"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence"
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Posted: April 20 2005 at 10:14

I don't understand the one one who say ABWH is the worst. By saying that,
you're pretty much saying Rabin and Kaye and better than Howe and
Wakeman. Plus ABWH IS a Yes album minus Chris Squire and replaced by
the much better Tony Levin!

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Posted: April 20 2005 at 10:15

Azrael2112 wrote:

I don't understand the one one who say ABWH is the worst. By saying that,
you're pretty much saying Rabin and Kaye and better than Howe and
Wakeman. Plus ABWH IS a Yes album minus Chris Squire and replaced by
the much better Tony Levin!

Excuse me?!!? Blasphemy, I say!!

sigod

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Posted: April 20 2005 at 10:26

I STILL havent bought 'Time and a Word'.

I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision.
- Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill

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Posted: April 20 2005 at 11:11

I don't think that Yes have a worst or a good album. All of them in my view are amaizing

and just because one album is different or possibly similar to another doesn't mean it is bad!

Yes some songs are better than others but they are all good and they shouldn't be bad mouthed.

Flash Ahhhhh

mirco

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Posted: April 20 2005 at 11:56

I have to confess something: I bought ABWH when it came out. I give it a first listen, but when from the speakers began to flow a thing that remember me a stell band, i said to myself "esta vaina se jodió", removed the record from the turntable and storaged it on the shelf, where it lays from that moment to the eternity.

Please forgive me for my crappy english!

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Posted: April 20 2005 at 13:24

I'm not saying that anyone is better than anyone else.I just dont like ABWH that mucho.

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Posted: April 20 2005 at 13:37

Teakbois is the stinking turd in the water bucket!

Appallingly embarrassing attempt at a happy reggae tune.Anderson's lyrical style (inadvertantly) makes the song sound like it is mocking reggae vocalists.

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Posted: April 20 2005 at 15:02

Agree 100 % on that one Reed in that Yes tried to do reggae which I dislike very much as a music format.

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Posted: April 20 2005 at 17:45

Fragile wrote:

Agree 100 % on that one Reed in that Yes tried to do reggae which I dislike very much as a music format.

I dont want to be pernicate..per..nick..ah..tee how the hell do ya spell that! BUT a CD is a music format, Reggae however is a music style or genre (as in Genre Michelle Jarre)

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Posted: April 20 2005 at 17:49

Snow Dog wrote:

Fragile wrote:

Agree 100 % on that one Reed in that Yes tried to do reggae which I dislike very much as a music format.

I dont want to be pernicate..per..nick..ah..tee how the hell do ya spell that! BUT a CD is a music format, Reggae however is a music style or genre (as in Genre Michelle Jarre)

LOL

Snow Dawg was victorious....

......now you've got to mount the wee Scotsman as per the ancient Welsh tradition......... Big smile

....his head over your fireplace,I meant! LOL

Beau Heem

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Posted: April 20 2005 at 18:51

I've listened to Yes exstensively in the past, but very, very little during the last two years. I enjoy all the albums up to Tormato.

I have to confess that I was positively surprised when I first heard Tormato (being bashed by Yes fans everywhere for being the beginning of the end)...

I've never considered the "great prog acts of the 70s" as great prog acts because they all seem to lack something... I'm still to actually nail it what it is they're lacking, but I've been working on this "problem" for ages now...

I'm beginning to feel that Yes (along with Genesis, ELP, even PF and KC) are somehow pretentous. That's not actually the term I'm looking for but it has to suffice for now...

There is one track on Tormato that I especially like, because it feels like it had been done "honestly" (using 'honest' as the antonym of 'pretentous' - I hope you guys don't get me wrong and start pickin on me..). The track is Release Release...

It's definitely not the best composition by Yes
It's definitely not the best arranged piece by Yes
and it definitely does not have the best lyrics of Yes

but it has the best feel to it. Far better than anything on Close to the Edge for sure.

What do you guys/gals think of this?

Cheers

-Beau

--No enemy but time--

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Posted: April 20 2005 at 19:26

I think Tormato is one of Yes's most interesting albums, not the best, but future times, release, and The whale song have the most beautifull melodies and catchiest hooks. Also some not so good songs though. The final track, out of principle I will not mention it's name (that and I forgot it's title) is a complete boring experience.silent wings of freedom

re. Teakbois from ABWH, it's indeed the worst track on a very good album, I like the version on the live album An evening of Yes music plus, accoustic guitar and Jon's vocals are great (new arrangement).

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Posted: April 20 2005 at 19:34

Beau Heem wrote:

There is one track on Tormato that I especially like, because it feels like it had been done "honestly" (using 'honest' as the antonym of 'pretentous' - I hope you guys don't get me wrong and start pickin on me..). The track is Release Release...

It's definitely not the best composition by Yes
It's definitely not the best arranged piece by Yes
and it definitely does not have the best lyrics of Yes

I am actually listening to Tormato as I write and a tune that just blew me away was "Onward", now there's a song that feels it's been done honestly --- an excellent track.

I think once you get past the topical goofiness of the album's first impression -- circus of heanen, ufo's, etc. the album emerges as an excellent evolution of the Yes sound -- "On the silent Wings of Freedom" wow, what an instrumental journey that takes you on.

I suggest all who are deriding it give it one more listen.

"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."

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Posted: April 20 2005 at 19:35

Tormato? Release Release?

I think it's pretentious. At this very moment I'm listening to it to check if my opinion is bars of chocolate or onions. It's bars of chocolate - whereas Tormentor, err, Tormato seems to be the antithesis to "Jon Anderson is a legend". On Tormentor he's just a pain in the neck ("...mee, mee, meeee..."). "What's wrong with me, Doc?" - "Sorry to say ... it's a serious falsetto. Nurse!?"

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ha ha, charade you are

Guillermo

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Posted: April 20 2005 at 21:15

I copied here my ratings for the YES albums that I have written reviews here in Progarchives:

5 stars ANDERSON BRUFORD WAKEMAN & HOWE - Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman & Howe
4 stars ANDERSON BRUFORD WAKEMAN & HOWE - Evening of Yes Music Plus

3 stars YES - Yes
2 stars YES - Time and a Word
3 stars YES - Fragile
4 stars YES - The YES Album
5 stars YES - Close to the Edge
2 stars YES - Tales From Topographic Oceans
5 stars YES - Relayer
3 stars YES - Yesterday
5 stars YES - Going for the One
2 stars YES - Tormato
3 stars YES - Drama
4 stars YES - Yesshows
4 stars YES - Classic Yes
3 stars YES - 90125
1 stars YES - 9012 Live: The Solos
2 stars YES - Big Generator
2 stars YES - Union
3 stars YES - Yesyears (box set)
3 stars YES - Talk
4 stars YES - Keys to Ascension
4 stars YES - Keys to Ascension 2
2 stars YES - Open Your Eyes
2 stars YES - BBC Sessions 1969-1970 Something's Coming (2 Cds)
3 stars YES - The Ladder
4 stars YES - House of Yes: Live From the House of Blues
4 stars YES - Yessongs
I still don`t have the "Magnification" album, but I went to see YES playing here in my city in December 2002. I remember that they played several songs from that album, but I remember that I liked very much the song called "In the Presence of".

Edited by Guillermo

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Posted: April 21 2005 at 06:05

I honestly cant name a prog group who are not pretentious.

Tormato is victm to bad production, each member playing fantasticly, however the overall sound is thin in some parts.

apart from circus of heaven, which is just crap.

I can feel no sense of measure