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Topic: Yes
Posted By: vaportrail
Subject: Yes
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 09:04
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Can you name a genuinely aweful yes album? or are you of the same opinion as me:
Yes are never bad but the styles used on some albums are not to eveyone's taste. e.g. 90125 gets bad reveiws because of the pop connection (but you gotta admit its real good pop) ------------- I can feel no sense of measure |
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 09:07
| No, I can't, all albums are good, but I think Big Generator is the least good and Tales from Topografic oceans the best. Cheers:) |
Posted By: VLADO
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 09:10
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they are all good like a river which is also changing all the time ------------- ...and in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make... |
Posted By: vaportrail
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 09:12
if they didnt change their sound they would become stale, by the way, love the description ------------- I can feel no sense of measure |
VLADO wrote:Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 09:33
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If you count Anderson, Wakeman, Bruford, Howe among Yes albums, this one is the bad one. ------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 09:54
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Don't Hate YES! ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH 
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 09:54
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90125 is a good album in a genre I have no interest in. It is not a prog album. Union is just genuinely awful, though. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 10:31
I like them all ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Abbath
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 11:55
| I'd say a good portion of their albums are bad. But I like to pretend those never happened. |
Posted By: Azrael2112
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 12:37
so you're saying ABWH is worse (In your opinion) than Big Generator? ------------- http://www.flywithjet.com"> 
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Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 12:41
------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: TBWART
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 12:53
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Big yes fan here, but indeed Onion (as Rick used to call it.. the rest is all great! ------------- ''progression is trying to eliminate boundries'' |
Posted By: Azrael2112
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 13:01
Well you obviously haven't heard the worst  ------------- http://www.flywithjet.com">
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Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 13:03
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"Union" is of very poor quality. Trevor Rabin's songs (especially his lyrics) are not suitable to the Yes ethos. While his music may qualify as a type of Yes prog, what he sings about should have disqualified him from membership. The Rabin era Yes was a disappointment and a noticeabe drop in musical quality. ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 13:12
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Indeed. I consider myself to be quite a big Yes fan but to my mind only
the Yes Album to Tormato period are worth any real consideration (and I
should point out I don't particularly like parts of these either).
Since then we've had cheesey pop and even cheesier attempts to recreate
an already somewhat cheesey brand of prog... Every Yes album is a
patchy affair, but does that detract from the greatness of songs like
CTTE, TGOD, or Awaken? It certainly doesn't in my opinion... |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 13:42
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I prefer Big Generator from ABWH, which I dont like much at all. Luckily it doesnt carry the Yes badge! As for Onion I prefer the Rabin songs as a whole...in general...but then again I like the Rabin period. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Vicky Garten
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 14:23
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I must listen to more Yes I hated the "mincing tart" Anderson's voice (sorry that is really not fair but you know how it is when you are trying to fight something ) for years then I heard Topographic & was blown away ------------- Confusion will be my epitaph |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 14:31
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Hi Vicky, a big welcome to the forum. Any "friend of Jim's...", well maybe not but welcome anyway! Re Yes, the only album I've never been able to appreciate at all is Tormato. The sleeve doesn't help, but I just can't find anything on that album which holds my attention. I wouldn't call it awful, just dull.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 14:35
| Vicky, u must be an angel from heaven sent to save some lost souls:) And I tell u, if u heaven't heard all yes albums from 1971 to 1977 you are not yet a true proger! Cheers:) You are an angel couse u understand Tales..:) |
Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 15:36
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i don't think yes has held up past 1980 as well as some other acts for
sure. Although their 70s material is outstanding, I would say that rush
and floyd have been more quality consistent as the years have gone by.
(ABWH is crap!)
------------- I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die. "Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend |
Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 15:42
------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 15:49
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NO I DONT HAVE TO ADMIT TO ANYTHING. 90125 is without doubt crap.They should have been put up against wall and shot for producing that pile of dung. |
Posted By: Fishy
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 16:40
| Well I must say "Open your eyes" was a big disappointment, especially knowing Howe, Squire and Anderson were in the band at that point. This was a desperate effort in trying to be accessibke but the result was just a commercial piece of crap. 90125 or even Big Generator was a lot better ! |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 17:06
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Bad Yes Albums: |
Posted By: Dogboy
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 17:39
| It has to be UNION - A disappointing mish-mash |
Posted By: Miaugion
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 17:49
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The ONLY Yes studio albums I REALLY appreciate are:
The Yes Album (Parts of) Fragile Close to the Edge Tales from Topographic Oceans Relayer Going for the One This is the stuff I identify Yes with. The rest (though nice in parts) is allowed to steal away under my radar ... ------------- You house proud town mouse ha ha, charade you are |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 18:21
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Can I find a genuinely awful yes album?!?! Dude, I can't find a genuinely good album... That answers the question?
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 18:27
Add "Union" to that list and I agree 100% ------------- 
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Posted By: Aaron
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 18:53
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i couldnt imagine why i would put on any albums after drama, although i used to listen to the ladder Aaron |
Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 18:58
I agree, except Tormato and Magnification aren't all that bad. OK, at least Tormato. I bought Union (used, thank goodness) when I first got into Yes- partially lured by the awesome cover |
Posted By: gleam
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 19:32
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Union is the absolute worse they have done.
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 19:46
Agree totally, wanted to write the same, including the part about getting rid of Union (I gave it away, twice, oh foolish me to buy it three times) ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 21:21
| I also hate 90125 --- but can't argue with their pop masterpiece |
Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 23:02
I think that's one of their best! if not THE best!!! ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 23:27
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Are you crazy ??? ABWH is better than CLOSE to the EDGE??? |
Posted By: VLADO
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 02:45
No no no, they are all great, especially Magnification is !the best Yes album ever! ------------- ...and in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make... |
Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 04:15
 Magnification could have been a great Yes album which leaves me with the hope that this line up can write a great new album.As for the criticisers of ABWH album - open your ears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: TBWART
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 04:19
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yes, ABWH is one of their best!! It continues where Going for the One stopped! (and one song is co-written with Vangelis... But maybe Talk is also not very good... ------------- ''progression is trying to eliminate boundries'' |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 05:22
Vlado... have you actually HEARD Open Your Eyes or Union?! You sound like someone in denial. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 05:25
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Bad Yes Abums 0 Bad ABWH Albums 1 ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 05:32
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Bad Yes albums: Tormato & anything AFTER 90125 (I liked that album ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: VLADO
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 06:00
Of course i have. I like open your eyes very much, Union less, but it is lucky album in terms they united again. The yes music is close to my heart, i understand it, and I do not mind some shortcomings if any ------------- ...and in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make... |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 06:09
Well....I am going to disagree with both of you. I like elements of all the above so called crap albums. I especially like the 2 Disc version of "Magnification" - In fact I really can't think of a "Yes" album that I totally hate. ------------- 
"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 06:11
Oh ... and forgot to add I like ABWH too   -------------
"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: Azrael2112
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 10:14
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I don't understand the one one who say ABWH is the worst. By saying that,
you're pretty much saying Rabin and Kaye and better than Howe and Wakeman. Plus ABWH IS a Yes album minus Chris Squire and replaced by the much better Tony Levin! ------------- http://www.flywithjet.com">
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Posted By: Deadwing12
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 10:15
Excuse me?!!? Blasphemy, I say!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Deadwing008/?chartstyle=Basquiat"> 
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Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 10:26
I STILL havent bought 'Time and a Word'. 
------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Flash Ahhhhh
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 11:11
I don't think that Yes have a worst or a good album. All of them in my view are amaizing and just because one album is different or possibly similar to another doesn't mean it is bad!Yes some songs are better than others but they are all good and they shouldn't be bad mouthed.  ------------- Flash Ahhhhh |
Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 11:56
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I have to confess something: I bought ABWH when it came out. I give it a first listen, but when from the speakers began to flow a thing that remember me a stell band, i said to myself "esta vaina se jodió", removed the record from the turntable and storaged it on the shelf, where it lays from that moment to the eternity. ------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 13:24
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I'm not saying that anyone is better than anyone else.I just dont like ABWH that mucho. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 13:37
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Teakbois is the stinking turd in the water bucket! Appallingly embarrassing attempt at a happy reggae tune.Anderson's lyrical style (inadvertantly) makes the song sound like it is mocking reggae vocalists. -------------
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Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 15:02
| Agree 100 % on that one Reed in that Yes tried to do reggae which I dislike very much as a music format. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 17:45
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I dont want to be pernicate..per..nick..ah..tee how the hell do ya spell that! BUT a CD is a music format, Reggae however is a music style or genre (as in Genre Michelle Jarre) ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 17:49
Snow Dawg was victorious.... ......now you've got to mount the wee Scotsman as per the ancient Welsh tradition......... ....his head over your fireplace,I meant! -------------
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Posted By: Beau Heem
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 18:51
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I've listened to Yes exstensively in the past, but very, very little
during the last two years. I enjoy all the albums up to Tormato. I have to confess that I was positively surprised when I first heard Tormato (being bashed by Yes fans everywhere for being the beginning of the end)... I've never considered the "great prog acts of the 70s" as great prog acts because they all seem to lack something... I'm still to actually nail it what it is they're lacking, but I've been working on this "problem" for ages now... I'm beginning to feel that Yes (along with Genesis, ELP, even PF and KC) are somehow pretentous. That's not actually the term I'm looking for but it has to suffice for now... There is one track on Tormato that I especially like, because it feels like it had been done "honestly" (using 'honest' as the antonym of 'pretentous' - I hope you guys don't get me wrong and start pickin on me..). The track is Release Release... It's definitely not the best composition by Yes It's definitely not the best arranged piece by Yes and it definitely does not have the best lyrics of Yes but it has the best feel to it. Far better than anything on Close to the Edge for sure. What do you guys/gals think of this? Cheers -Beau ------------- --No enemy but time-- |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 19:26
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I think Tormato is one of Yes's most interesting albums, not the best, but future times, release, and The whale song have the most beautifull melodies and catchiest hooks. Also some not so good songs though. The final track, out of principle I will not mention it's name (that and I forgot it's title) is a complete boring experience.silent wings of freedom re. Teakbois from ABWH, it's indeed the worst track on a very good album, I like the version on the live album An evening of Yes music plus, accoustic guitar and Jon's vocals are great (new arrangement). ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 19:34
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I am actually listening to Tormato as I write and a tune that just blew me away was "Onward", now there's a song that feels it's been done honestly --- an excellent track. I think once you get past the topical goofiness of the album's first impression -- circus of heanen, ufo's, etc. the album emerges as an excellent evolution of the Yes sound -- "On the silent Wings of Freedom" wow, what an instrumental journey that takes you on. I suggest all who are deriding it give it one more listen. ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: Miaugion
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 19:35
Tormato? Release Release? 
I think it's pretentious. At this very moment I'm listening to it to check if my opinion is bars of chocolate or onions. It's bars of chocolate - whereas Tormentor, err, Tormato seems to be the antithesis to "Jon Anderson is a legend". On Tormentor he's just a pain in the neck ("...mee, mee, meeee..."). "What's wrong with me, Doc?" - "Sorry to say ... it's a serious falsetto. Nurse!?" ------------- You house proud town mouse ha ha, charade you are |
Posted By: Guillermo
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 21:15
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I copied here my ratings for the YES albums that I have written reviews here in Progarchives:
------------- Avatar: Photo of Solar Eclipse, Mexico City, July 1991. A great experience to see. Maybe once in a lifetime. |
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=4305 - ANDERSON BRUFORD WAKEMAN & HOWE - Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman & Howe 
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=4306 - ANDERSON BRUFORD WAKEMAN & HOWE - Evening of Yes Music Plus 
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=1823 - YES - Yes 
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=1824 - YES - Time and a Word 
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=1837 - YES - 9012 Live: The Solos Posted By: vaportrail
Date Posted: April 21 2005 at 06:05
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I honestly cant name a prog group who are not pretentious.
Tormato is victm to bad production, each member playing fantasticly, however the overall sound is thin in some parts. apart from circus of heaven, which is just crap. ------------- I can feel no sense of measure |
Posted By: penguindf12
Date Posted: April 30 2005 at 03:08
| So far I've only got The Yes Album thru Relayer, including Yessongs. I'm looking to get Going for the One really soon (as in this week). But more recently I downloaded "Future Times/Rejoice" from Tormato and it blew me away. It almost sounds like Yes doing Gentle Giant, like a reverse "Tales from Topographic Oceans". Okay, there are two big differences: Wakeman's keyboard sounds more high-pitched, and Squire seems to be experimenting with another bass sound. It tends to get real high in the range with nothing to anchor it down, like it could float away at any second. But other than that, it sounds like genuine, but less serious and whimsical (Jon Anderson-ish) Yes. Not quite pop, really. Just bigger ideas crammed into smaller songs with less direction...like Gentle Giant's Octopus. I think I'm gonna get Tormato right after Going for the One. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 30 2005 at 03:14
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Buy something like Crimson's Lark's Tongues instead. I thing that GFTO is the last essential Yes disc. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Yes, that's a fine tune, but unfortunately Tormato is a very uneven album, penguin. The bulk of the material is nowhere near as strong as that one, for this old yes fan (and most others, I'd wager).
Posted By: penguindf12
Date Posted: April 30 2005 at 03:38
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I've already got Lark's Toungue's, actually, my aunt burned it for me, but I haven't gotten around to listening to anything but the two part title track, which are very good. But I'm just gonna give Tormato a try, why not, it's only $12. Besides, if there's anything I can take it's unseriousness, twee, fairy, and Jon Anderson. It just doesn't bug me. So far the only albums I have rated low are a bad Dream Theater live album piece o' crap, "Amused to Death", and "Heavy Horses". And truthfully, the latter two aren't that bad, just not my favorite. |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: April 30 2005 at 09:15
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Tormato is not bad penquin, it's actually a good album, but like Peter said a little unbalanced. I like the first half of the album very much, the second half is definatly whimsical, with onwards and Silent wings of freedom as boring pieces. But some people on this forum like those two songs so, I'd say go for it. And i'm awaiting your review next month ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: vaportrail
Date Posted: April 30 2005 at 09:29
Dont stop there, go straight for Drama. ------------- I can feel no sense of measure |
Posted By: Roan's Lady
Date Posted: April 30 2005 at 13:52
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I go to some Yes fansites where it's like the f---ing Emperor's New
Clothes - The Band That Can Do No Wrong. Irritating! Anyway, I loved
Yes' output from their first album through Drama, with the weakest along the way being Tormato. After Drama,
there were some decent moments, but really few and far between. Never
went for the in-your-face, pop stylings that started happening with 90125...never into something they seemed to be trying to recapture with later albums. Magnification was a disappointment, with In the Presence Of
being the only song that held a glimmer of interest for me. Jon
Anderson's pervasive prancing-through-the posies lyrics as of late put
me off. I'm hoping they put out a quality studio album, not music that
harks back to the past necessarily - just decent music! ------------- like leaves we touch...
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Posted By: Jeremy Bender
Date Posted: April 30 2005 at 14:22
| 'Open Your Eyes' was their weakest studio effort......... |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: April 30 2005 at 14:48
I like Tormato also. Altho unlike Tuxon, my favorite song on the album is "Onward". The one I don't like is "Silent Wings of Freedom" and not too fond of "Circus of Heaven". I think their weakest studio effort was Big Generator.. I can't even get thru that one! ------------- THIS IS ELP 
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Posted By: kingofbizzare
Date Posted: April 30 2005 at 15:09
| I have Close to the Edge, Yes, The Yes Album, and Yessongs on vinyl and Tales from Topographic Oceans and Relayer on CD. To be honest, I actually don't like The Yes Album very much. I've only listened to it a few times and I've only managed to get through it all the way once. It's just too bland for me. My favorites are CTTE, Relayer, and TFTTO. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: April 30 2005 at 17:39
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I love: 1. anything Yes had done in the '60's (1 album) and 70's 2. 90125, 3. ABWH, 4. The Key To Ascension livetracks 5. The magnificent Magnification tour with Polish orchestra. Mediocre is the word for Drama and Big Generator. I think the rest is pretty bad. In my humble opinion.
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