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Points: 19506 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2008 at 14:18
Originally posted by progrules progrules wrote:

About half a year ago there was a classical thread in which I recommended Holberg Suite by Grieg. I did this because it's a relatively unknown and severely underrated classical work.
 
Grieg is one of the very greatest in my opinion anyway, Peer Gynt and his Piano Concerto in A say it all, I think.
Other great favourites of mine are Beethoven (5th piano concerto, Fantasy opus 80, Egmont Overture), Tsjaikovsky (Piano concerto, Nutcracker suite, Violin Concerto), Chopin (2 Piano concertos), Schubert (Unfinished Symphony), Smetana (Die Moldau) Vivaldi (Four Seasons), Bruch (Violin concerto), Saint Saens (Introduction et Rondo Capriccioso , Havanaise) Mendelssohn (Violin Concerto) and many more great works.
 
So conclusion is: I love classical music but most of the time way behind progressive music.
 
you're a man of good taste, Henk...I have emboldened a number of the pieces you have mentioned, which I especially enjoy...Clap
 
I also have some great Norwegian Dances by Grieg, which I play at work and love...Big smile
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Originally posted by kibble_alex kibble_alex wrote:



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^^I somehow think we are missing an opportunity here, Vic...
 
can't we use this space for you to enlighten us ignoramuses, through a series of stimulating lectures, on the development of Early Church, Baroque, Classical, Romantic and 20th Century Classical music?...Geek
 
so, may I suggest you now go away and prepare tomorrow night's introductory thesis on '72 years in a Convent' the life of Hildegard of Bingen?....Big smile
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Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

^^I somehow think we are missing an opportunity here, Vic...
 
can't we use this space for you to enlighten us ignoramuses, through a series of stimulating lectures, on the development of Early Church, Baroque, Classical, Romantic and 20th Century Classical music?...Geek
 
so, may I suggest you now go away and prepare tomorrow night's introductory thesis on '72 years in a Convent' the life of Hildegard of Bingen?....Big smile
LOL  When do we get to cover Josquin des Prez ?
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Originally posted by jimidom jimidom wrote:

LOL  When do we get to cover Josquin des Prez ?
 
Patience, my friend...Riccy hasn't issued us with the syllabus yet....Wink
 
 
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Points: 46301 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2008 at 16:02
That's interesting, I don't remember writing Josquin Des Prez's name like that in 9th grade...LOL

About the lectures, I've been having indeed a pretty intense second half of the year, writing a diploma paper (12th grade finish) about Program Music (in the Romantic musical period), not to mention the essays I have to do right now, one of them being something about Chinese Ancient Music...Geek

but, right here, I'd prefer more casual talk about music, because you guys are far from "ignorasmuses" (lol) and I like the conversations this way...

in order to write something decent, I'd need three nights without sleep (one to document, one to write on paper, and the third to "transpose" everything on Word LOL)

...true, I'll try more words next time. Wink


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I was struck in a recent post about how Beethoven wasn't, for the particular member, "German" enough, except allowance was made for the 9th symphony.  What would constitute sufficient "Germanness", I wonder, besides actually being German?!

Would someone then propose Weber? Mendelssohn? Brahms? Bruch? Schumann? Wagner? Hindemith? Someone else? as examples?
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(The tally so far:

Dead guys Dead

Brahms, Bach, Sibelius, Holst , Stravinsky , Beethoven, Mozart , Paganini, Webern , Berg, Schoenberg, Ives, Bernstein, Villa Lobos, Tarrega, Sor, Ponce, Giulliani, Mussourgsky, Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Rimsky-Korsakov, Barber, Copland, Janecek, Dvorak, Debussy, Satie, Ravel, Milhaud, Strauss, Mahler, Bartok, Honegger, Barber, Liszt, Smetana, Tchaikovsky, Mendelsshon, Verdi, Rossini, Vaughn Williams, Bruckner, Handel, Ockeghem, Desprez, Monteverdi, Vivaldi, Hummel, Haydn, Messaien, Rachmaninoff', Ussachevsky, Stockhausen, Leuning, Cage, Gershwin, Manuel de Falla, Geig, Chopin, Schubert, Saint-Saens, Bruch,

Among the Living: Clap

Lucier (b. 1931), Crumb (b. 1929), Riley (b. 1935), Glass (b. 1937), Reich (b. 1936), Babbitt (b. 1916), Brouwer (b. 1939)

Final Score:

63 Dead  --  7 living but pretty damn old.

In case anyone wonders classical music does, in fact, continue to be written everyday all over the world.  This preoccupation with the dead is frustrating to those of us who are alive and working in the field.  Not that the music listed here by various members isn't good music, it's just that there won't be any more from those guys.

To see what is going on NOW  check out Peter Boyer, Michael Daugherty, Richard Danielpour, Michael Torke, Aaron Jay Kernis, Mark Phillips, Dan McCarthy, John Adams, Libby Larsen, William Bolcom, Gavin Bryars, Kenneth Fuchs,  Christopher Rouse, Toru Takemitsu, Miguel del Aguila, Derek Bermel, Anthony DeRitis, Jim Bonney, Frank Tichelli, Donal Fox, Piers Hellawell.

These are just a few names off the top of my head.   There are, of course, a great, great many more composers who are still “among the living”, myself included http://www.myspace.com/tomryanhirst.   We're Proggers for goodness sake.  If we like something (Classical Music for an example) we are usually willing to spend the time looking for more/new stuff to like as well.  Just pretend you're trying to find more music like Opeth or Porcupine tree (Sleepy for me...).  Put in the same effort and see what you turn up.

Let’s even the balance sheet here.



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Originally posted by Bitterblogger Bitterblogger wrote:

I was struck in a recent post about how Beethoven wasn't, for the particular member, "German" enough, except allowance was made for the 9th symphony.  What would constitute sufficient "Germanness", I wonder, besides actually being German?!

Would someone then propose Weber? Mendelssohn? Brahms? Bruch? Schumann? Wagner? Hindemith? Someone else? as examples?

 
I know, I know...for the peace of this fledgeling thread, we let the comment go (relatively) unchallenged...Wink
 
...besides, he was Austrian...LOL
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Originally posted by Trademark Trademark wrote:

Let’s even the balance sheet here.
 
that's OK...if you like 20th Century (or even 21st century) classical music.  Personally, with very few exceptions (Sibelius, Vaughan Williams, some Greig, Elgar) I'm afraid I don't, very much.
 
As I've said many times before, I'd generally prefer to listen to some Handel...but that's just me...Embarrassed
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Beethoven was not Austrian.  He was born and raised in Bonn, Germany.  He did not move to Vienna (Austria) until he was about 21 years old.  

"Germanness" in music usually implies a very heavy reliance on counterpoint (think Bach Preludes and Fugues) which did not come heaviy into Beethoven's work until after he was completely deaf (around 1815, so this would include that last few piano sonatas, the late string quartets and the 9th symphony, and is usually referred to as "Late Beethoven" as he died in 1827).  After 1815 his works were much more noticeably "German" than before when the Austrian/Italian influence of Mozart and Haydn were stronger.

From your list the most German would probably be Hindemith.  Wagner from his writing and subject matter, is a strong contender, but on musical grounds alone I'd go with Hindemith.


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Personally, with very few exceptions (Sibelius, Vaughan Williams, some Greig, Elgar) 

Then you really should check out Peter Boyer and Kenneth Fuchs.  They are both right up that same street. 

The list I have given is not at all limited to the avant garde side of 20th century music.  Stylistically it is all over the map, as I was simply pulling names out of my head (some are guys I know, have attended conferences with, have studied with etc.) with little regard to style.
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Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

[QUOTE=Trademark] Let’s even the balance sheet here.
 
Glad to: here's to Henri Gorecki. Clap Symphony No. 3 was a mindblower. . .
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Originally posted by Trademark Trademark wrote:


Then you really should check out Peter Boyer and Kenneth Fuchs.  They are both right up that same street. 
 
thankyou...that's interesting to know; I might do that...Smile
 
I think you'd enjoy talking to Lee (Man Erg) if you see him around this forum; his knowledge on classical music is very good; you'll almost certainly get some sense out of him...LOL
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Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

Originally posted by Trademark Trademark wrote:


Then you really should check out Peter Boyer and Kenneth Fuchs.  They are both right up that same street. 
 
thankyou...that's interesting to know; I might do that...Smile
 
I think you'd enjoy talking to Lee (Man Erg) if you see him around this forum; his knowledge on classical music is very good; you'll almost certainly get some sense out of him...LOL


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Glad to see so many classical fans here, and i could safely say that there are more to come Keep parcipitating everyone!

Admittedly, my classical knowledge isn't great (I'd be the first to say that), but I'm learning more and more about it every day. I'm expecially intrigued by the today composers that Trademark mentioned.You've probably noticed that i'm a huge fan of Brahms and Bach, but I love Schumann as well. In other words, BIG music. Who would you suggest I check out first?
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Originally posted by kibble_alex kibble_alex wrote:


Admittedly, my classical knowledge isn't great (I'd be the first to say that), but I'm learning more and more about it every day.
 
you and me both, bud...Wink
 
that's why this little thread could be great for us...Big smile
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Originally posted by kibble_alex kibble_alex wrote:

  In other words, BIG music. Who would you suggest I check out first?


I love Faure's Requiem, as I recall it's fairly "big"..   the Russians as well
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I love Faure's Requiem, as I recall it's fairly "big".. 
 
I went to hear it Live a few months ago...wonderful piece...Approve
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 ^ me too, last year! 

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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by kibble_alex kibble_alex wrote:

  In other words, BIG music. Who would you suggest I check out first?


I love Faure's Requiem, as I recall it's fairly "big"..   the Russians as well




Welcome to the thread Atavachron

I definitely must check that out sometime! Any appreciation Brahms's Hungarian Dances? I especially love the 3rd and the 11th, and i've just recorded myself playing the two-handed version of the 1st on the piano.
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