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Posted: August 08 2006 at 16:06

Can I like them Both?

Teaflax

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Posted: August 08 2006 at 16:27

^No! Blasphemy! You must pick sides. Mac or PC? Cessna or Piper? Beta or VHS? PAL or NTSC? Militant Islam or Apocalytpic Christianity? Nintendo or Sega? PlayStation or XBox? Cheese or Pickles? Banjo or Trout? Antidisestablishmentarianism or Popcorn?

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Posted: August 08 2006 at 17:08

teaflax: PC, Piper, VHS, PAL, apocalyptic christianity, this is hard, mario and sonic rulezz, playstation, cheese, trout, popcorn

LOL

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Posted: August 08 2006 at 18:53

Teaflax wrote:

^No! Blasphemy! You must pick sides. Mac or PC? Cessna or Piper? Beta or VHS? PAL or NTSC? Militant Islam or Apocalytpic Christianity? Nintendo or Sega? PlayStation or XBox? Cheese or Pickles? Banjo or Trout? Antidisestablishmentarianism or Popcorn?

Mac. Cessna. VHS. PAL. Apocalyptic Christianity. Sega. Xbox. Cheese. Banjo. Popcorn.

...oh...and IQ!!!!!!!!

Edited by Chris_Kemp - August 08 2006 at 18:53

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Teaflax

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Posted: August 08 2006 at 19:08

I'm alarmed by how easily people pick Apocalyptic Christianity. There shoudl be at least an "um..." before that, I would think. Damn. Wink

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Posted: August 08 2006 at 19:12

I much prefer IQ seeing how I don't like Marillion at all. Since "The Wake", IQ has delivered quality album after quality album. I feel each release has actually increased in quality peaking with "Dark Matter." "The Seventh House" is also a masterpiece in my opinion. I'm not a big fan of neo, but IQ along with Arena and to some extent Pallas are exceptions. I have three of the Fish era Marillion albums and don't find much to peak my interest in them. IQ =

!!!!!

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Posted: August 08 2006 at 19:13

I'll make Teaflax happy by popping in and saying that I wouldn't choose neither militant Islam nor apocalyptic Christianity (militant Islam if I had to pick one (so that there is a slight balance)). Though I'd prefer not having to pick.

I prefer what I have heard by Marillion over what I have heard by IQ.

Edited by Philéas - August 08 2006 at 19:15

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Posted: August 08 2006 at 19:47

Teaflax wrote:

I'm alarmed by how easily people pick Apocalyptic Christianity. There shoudl be at least an "um..." before that, I would think. Damn. Wink

Well. it's not like I had a lot of alternatives...

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Posted: August 08 2006 at 21:18

E-Dub wrote:

<<Well, I don't appreciate Marillion going with the flow and calling it progressing and evolving (I liked most of their "Marbles" album).>>

Marillion doesn't label themselves as progressive. I think they're uncomfortable with pinning a label on their music. Maybe research it a bit before passing judgement.

E

I think I've researched enough. In the latter 90s, H once gave an interview in which he stated his hate towards neo-prog and his love for PT. Then, he made a play of words with "progressive" saying that the Steve Wilson's band was always progressing, that it was, ina sense, a "real progressive" band. And then, in that and other interviews of that time, he stated that the band was always progressing into something different with each album as if it were some sort of badge in itself: just changing and shifting for the sake of it instead of evolving across a long-time line of work... anyway... The play of words was used a couple of times, even if he spoke from an anti-progressive point of view.

I'm quite aware of how much has Marillion distanced itself from the prog vibe-label, etc.

Kind regards.

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Posted: August 08 2006 at 21:24

I think I may have misread your post. I thought you were stating that (Marillion) were calling it ('it' being their music) progressive. Thanks for the clarification.

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Posted: August 08 2006 at 23:24

I'm a Mac user so the rest won't matter, They will by virture of my fiirst decision be right.

Edited by composer - August 08 2006 at 23:24

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Posted: August 09 2006 at 10:11

Cesar Inca wrote:

I'm quite aware of how much has Marillion distanced itself from the prog vibe-label, etc.

Kind regards.

It's basically to move away from the stereotype of progressive rock and neo prog in particular that's created by bands alike Pendragon who always seem to recreate the same album over and over again and this is called 'progressive'. Marillion, in my opinion, truly have progressed, but I would not call them prog rock, to me they are an experimental rock or melodic rock band. Smile

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Posted: August 09 2006 at 10:56

Tough one. I like them both a lot. Mostly on the strength of their early albums. Still, I choose Marillion, because I think they retained more of an adventurous spirit, more than IQ.

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Posted: August 09 2006 at 15:15

Clepsydra wrote:

lobster41 wrote:

They have completely changed places with me. In the 80's, Marillion was the much better band in my opinion. Fish's emotional and personal lyrics added a depth to their music that I still have not found an equal to. IQ, on the other hand, put out good music, but nothing that grabbed me. I actually find parts of "The Wake" leaning more towards New Wave than prog (certainly their wardrobe at the time screamed new wave - check out Mike Holmes' hair on "Tales...").

Through the 90's and until today, IQ have gotten stronger by the CD to the point where"Dark Matter" is one of my favorites. It still doesn't match the emotion of Fish-era Marillion, but it is exquisite music. Marillion, on the other hand, has lost the passion (?) that they brought to their earlier works. Since "Brave", I have not heard anything that makes me sit up and take notice. I admit to not hearing all of "Marbles", but what I have heard strikes me as more of the same.

By the way, I did not start listening to IQ until 2004, whereas I started listening to Marillion in 1983. That might explain my opinions.

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Posted: August 09 2006 at 16:44

Titan wrote:

It would be interesting to see opinions fish era´s fans, if they prefer "new Marillion (from 1988" or "new IQ (from 1993)", because Hogarth´s era is really different than Fish´s era, quite different band.

As a Fish era fan, I would probably still take Hogarth era Marillion over IQ. It's not that IQ are a bad band, I quite enjoy playing The Seventh House sometimes, and am thinking of investing in Dark Matter. Would like to know more about Subterranea before getting that one.

I am one of those fans who like Holidays In Eden too. Anoraknophobia is pretty decent too. But I think, at their best, eg: Season's End, Afraid Of Sunlight and, especially, Marbles, they are still preferable to my ears.

Funny how two of the highest rated albums by both bands, eg: Brave and Ever are two of my least favourites. However, if I had to choose between them, I would go for Brave.

But, again, it's all down to personal taste. When it comes to neo-prog, I would take Pendragon over either Marillion or IQ, but that doesn't stop me enjoying them too.

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Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:52

chessman wrote:

Funny how two of the highest rated albums by both bands, eg: Brave and Ever are two of my least favourites. However, if I had to choose between them, I would go for Brave.

But, again, it's all down to personal taste. When it comes to neo-prog, I would take Pendragon over either Marillion or IQ, but that doesn't stop me enjoying them too.

Try subterranea, its a really amazing album.

Anyway iam really surprised, there are many IQ fans around as well. cool. Wink

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Posted: August 11 2006 at 10:07

E-Dub wrote:

<<I'm a fan of the later work though>>

Tristan, sometimes I think you and I are the only ones who admit it.

WHAT ABOUT ME ???

MARILLION for sure is my choice, especially the Hogarth-aera ( long may it run ).

Like IQ, too, especially EVER.

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Posted: August 11 2006 at 11:19

There are a lot of parallels between the two bands if you sit down with a cup of tea and some chocolate biscuits and mull it over for a while; two main career singers, two drummers, bass players and bald keyboard players who play for other bands, both have written some fantastic material in their time, self financed records and fans who follow each band everywhere and possess a fanatical devotion to the pope...

...I'll come in again.