Marillion x IQ
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Topic: Marillion x IQ
Posted By: Titan
Subject: Marillion x IQ
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 16:13
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As we all know, these bands were the most famous in the eighties era. Overall, Marillion the most. Anyway iam curious which band do you prefer and why ? Maybe most of you will chose marillion. I hope for some IQ choices tho. Personaly, i would chose IQ by a mile, dont know why, but i really love their stuff, especially from Nicholls era of course. Marillion is great band too, but i cant find there a such great album, sorry. Even script (except of superb first song) is not superb album imo. Wake, Ever, Sub, Seventh house - oh wonderful albums ! Marillion - Script - good album, maybe their early stuff (grendel etc.) is really superb. btw. my favourite band is Genesis (a big fan of seventies). i am sorry if this has been posted already. |
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 16:16
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Marillion. I enjoy every album I have by them except Holidays in Eden. IQ is good, but they seem rather samey and not as compelling as Marillion. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Teaflax
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 16:16
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IQ by a mile, too. I find there's much greater compositional depth top
IQ's music that gives it a much longer shelf-life than Marillion's. I
was a big fan of Marillion up until Misplaced Childhood, which was a
metaphorical kick in the nuts. The Wake - which was released at about
the same time - might have been a patchy album, but the highlights are
unmatched by anything Marillion ever did, and IQ have continued to
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Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 16:21
I prefer IQ as well. I like the way they mix styles from all of the prog giants of the 70's. They also encorporate a bit of fusion as well, all be it in a subtle kind of way, which I rather enjoy. I had a friend over the other day who is a drummer by the way and we were talking and I just happened to have Dark Matter on in the background. After a while he remarked out of the blue how good these guys are. He had not heard of them before.
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Titan wrote:Posted By: Titan
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 16:21
| Yeah if you look at IQ albums from 90, its really amazing, they are still great, maybe even better than in the eigthies ! |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 16:35
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I enjoy both bands; however, in my opinion, IQ doesn't come close to Marillion. I will give credit to IQ in that they've always been a progressive band first; whereas Marillion is more of a modern rock band with progressive characteristics. That being said, in terms of quality in the music, lyrics, production, and all-around total package of what it takes to be a high caliber band, Marillion beats out IQ by a longshot. I never have the goosebump moments with IQ the way I do with Marillion.
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Posted By: chessman
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 17:25
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Although they are nowhere near my top 10 list, I will always choose Marillion by a mile over IQ. I own the majority of Marillion albums, both Fish and Hogarth eras, and, whilst certain albums don't do anything for me eg: This Strange Engine, Brave, Radiation, others are very good indeed. All the Fish era ones are strong, as are Marbles, Season's End and Afraid Of Sunlight.
I own The Seventh House and Ever by IQ, and have heard parts of The Wake. Whilst I do enjoy The Seventh House, I find Ever weak to the point of insipidness, uninspired and even derivative, eg: I think it's the third track that starts off like a blatant rip off of Queen's Now I'm Here.
What I heard of The Wake didn't inspire me either. Now, I haven't heard Dark Matter yet, and believe it is very good. Nevertheless, got to go with Marillion here.
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Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 17:25
I agree with everything you just said, except that I love Holidays in Eden, too. |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 17:33
Agree with you there 100% (although HiE has its moments). IQ, on the other hand, to me is a fantastic band that rely more on complexities and little technical aspects than Marillion do, but I've liked ever IQ album I've heard so far so I can't really complain. I choose Marillion, by the way.  ------------- 
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Posted By: Supertwister
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 17:34
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Neo-prog is my least favourite sub-genre, but I have heard Script For A Jester's Tear by Marillion and I don't mind it, I guess neo-prog hasn't really captured my attention yet. Btw Titan, kick ass avatar, I also have Semiramis as mine on other forums and etc. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/palepoli/?chartstyle=minimalDark - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/minimalDark/artists/palepoli.gif - |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 17:39
| I only have a few albums of IQ and both are amongst my favourites- 'Dark Matter' and 'The Wake'. Last year I'd have said IQ regardless as Marillion did little for me, but this year they matured into one of my fave bands of the genre. I prefer the Fish era (like every album in that period) but 'Season's End' is a great album too. I think I'd declare it as equal- both are sublime bands. |
Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 17:41
Marillion is my favourite band so I'll vote for them  For me it's a combination of great musicianship and the mostly wellbalanced incorporation of emotions in their music. I'm a fan of the later work though, I often think the Fish era sounds dated (although I like it mind you )I like IQ's most recent couple of albums, but can't listen to their 80s work, somehow the vocals sound different.. seems the vocals progressed over the years, eh?  ------------- Interested in my reviews? You can find them http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=784 - HERE "...He will search until He's found a Way to take the Days..." |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 17:45
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I like Holidays In Eden, as well. It may be light when compared to most Marillion albums from either incarnation; but, a weak Marillion album is still head and shoulders above most of the schlock out there.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 17:53
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<<I'm a fan of the later work though>>
Tristan, sometimes I think you and I are the only ones who admit it. 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 18:00
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I like Hogarth and Fish era equally. They're just different. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: maani
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 18:02
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I own every Marillion album and every IQ album. And although I think Marillion has the broader oeuvre and a more defined "sound," I enjoy listening to both bands equally.
Peace.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 18:09
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Marillion by (very) far. I haven't heard all IQ albums yet (three albums only), but as I see it they've never had much courage to experiment as Marillion did so many times and (IMHO) succeeded every time to make awesome music.
At last I see someone enjoys Holidays in Eden... One of my favourites by the way.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 18:54
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I was reading an article on IQ and they were pretty harsh on Marillion because (as they said) Marillion sort of got away from the more progressive side. I don't think they've gotten away from it entirely. As I've described them, they're a modern rock band with progressive characteristics. It almost sounded like sour grapes to me. Besides, Marillion has really gained some ground with their last couple of albums. It also sounds as if next year's convention is going to be huge.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 19:04
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<<At last I see someone enjoys Holidays in Eden... One of my favourites by the way. >>
One of the reasons why I enjoy Holidays is Hogarth's vocal performance. "Cover My Eyes" is pretty much a pop song; but, his vocals are amazing. I just chuckle when I think of a quote by a fellow PA member stating that Hogarth has a 'terrible voice'. Not sure just who they're listening to. Great songs for Holidays are "Splintering Heart" and "The Party". Still love those tunes....and they're very progressive. E -------------
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Posted By: Greg W
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 19:38
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I love both bands, but being introduced to Marillion back in the 80's and only recently discovering IQ, I can say that IQ brings me greater pleasure as it is fresher to me.
I just love Subterrainia to death. I love, how it can sound beautiful one moment and sinister the next. That, along with being a concept lp makes this one very special to me.
I also like Dark Matter quite a bit as well, although I think the above lp is better.
..the other two lps I have heard were The Wake and The Seventh House and they were misses for me. I found them bland.
Recently I have picked up the 24 bit remastered version lps of the Fish era and that has really rekindled my love for the Fish era Marillion, so in a month I may be saying Marillion over IQ.
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Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 19:57
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I agree with Titan, Sacred and Teaflax. IQ's material is not only more consistent, but also actually increaingly exciting thorughout the years. Their newer albums don't sound samey to me: they are loyal to their essence and vision, providing always something new and refreshing with each following album. Sometimes yo ucan feel that their "The Seventh House" is not as accomplished as the previous two, but again, they evidently tired some new textures within their own well-defined style. "Dark Matter" does the same balance between the usual essence and some new tricks, and it really worked A.O.K. Kind regards.
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 19:58
I'm getting ready to venture into the world of IQ , let's hope I'll like it.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 20:36
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<<Well, I don't appreciate Marillion going with the flow and calling it progressing and evolving (I liked most of their "Marbles" album).>>
Marillion doesn't label themselves as progressive. I think they're uncomfortable with pinning a label on their music. Maybe research it a bit before passing judgement. E -------------
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 20:57
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I'm just getting into IQ, and I am enjoying it more every time I listen. However, Marillion grabbed me right away. "Script for a Jester's Tear" insantly became one of my favorites in '83. Each subsequent album (Fish era) gave me a similar reaction. IQ doesn't strike me as dramatically. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: maani
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 22:39
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I find it truly interesting which albums by IQ various people like and dislike. Almost all of their albums have been mentioned, yet with the possible exception of Dark Matter (a bona fide masterpiece), all of their albums have gotten both "yea" and "nay" comments. For example, one person feels that Seventh House is "a miss," while another feels it is great. (I'm with the latter.) One person feels that Ever is not up to par, while another feels it is amazing. (I'm with the latter again.)
Yet while those who are choosing Marillion may have some differences, they seem to be more "in sync" in their support for the band than IQ fans are. As an aside, I, too, came to Marillion first, and only discovered IQ in the past year, so IQ is also more "fresh" to me, so I listen to their albums more often right now. But I played Marbles and Dark Matter about as often as each other, and like them pretty much equally.
Peace.
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Posted By: Clepsydra
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 22:52
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IQ IQ IQ!!!
IQ is a much better band than Marillion.
While IQ continued on a progressive path, Marillion moved towards pop,
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Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 00:09
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Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 00:24
I recommend Dark Matter to start. I think it's their strongest effort thus far. I was luke warm with it at first but it kept ending up in my CD drawer. Now it's in their quite often.
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Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 02:32
Ah well.. no need to hide it, now is there? okay, I'll be the first to admit it publically on ProgArchives: YES, I HAD A PHOTOGRAPHY TAKEN OF ME AND STEVE HOGARTH so, now that's out of the way, continue the debate ------------- Interested in my reviews? You can find them http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=784 - HERE "...He will search until He's found a Way to take the Days..." |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 02:35
| Well I'm a big fan of IQ.Marillion have never grabbed my in the same way.The one Marillion album I like is Seasons End.With IQ I can listen quite happily to their entire back catologue. |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 04:36
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MARILLION
Their "Script..." which I've got on August,the 1th,2003(still celebrating! ) made me turn to the world of Progressive Rock wholeheartely; even when I listen to some RIO or Post-Rock,I know this is because of "Script...".MARILLION's debut is my favouritest album ever; it's the most melodical,emotional and dramatical album I ever experienced.Half of my posts here somehow related to "Script...".Other Fish-era material(except awful "Clutching...") is almost the same way astonishing and beautiful(from the H-era I like only "Seasons End").
IQ is a good band,probably,the best Neo nowadays(I'd like to see them playing live).They're quite professional in performing and songwriting,but they will never catch me EMOTIONALLY in the way MARILLION did.They have nice dramatic moments("Headlong","Red Dust Shadow"),but they're just less emotional,IMHO.So they're not WORSE than MARILLION - they're just DIFFERENT. Anyway,I like Fish-era MARILLION more
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Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 05:08
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Sorry, for me its a no brainer: Fish era Marillion is just brilliant. Musically, lyrically and vibe-wise. For me, I've never been able to get into IQ. I just find them very ho-hum. I don't dislike them, I think they are a decent band, but I've never heard the same fire in their playing and writing. IQ has just, for me at least, always felt like an exercise in Neo-prog, whereas Fish era Marillion had a spark for me, although Hogarth just drug the band into mediocrity with sporadic moments of WOW! such as Brave and Marbles. Just an opinion. EDIT: I know what it is, Hogarth and Nicholls just dont have the same fire and venom in the vocals. I'm not saying they are bad singers, they are not. But Fish just brought something incredibly special to the vocal department that literally transformed everything the band did into high drama, whereas the other guys seemed to me to be just singers. 2ND EDIT: But even the music of IQ doesnt get me going, just sounds like neo-prog by numbers to me. I've really tried to like them: I own Subterrania, Dark Matter, and 7th House. I just dont see anything in the music that separates them from the fold. Sorry. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Nipsey88/?chartstyle=myspace02" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 09:32
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<<I know what it is, Hogarth and Nicholls just dont have the same fire and venom in the vocals. I'm not saying they are bad singers, they are not. But Fish just brought something incredibly special to the vocal department that literally transformed everything the band did into high drama, whereas the other guys seemed to me to be just singers.>>
I agree that Fish has a certain fire about him; but, not taking anything away from him, I see a bit more passion and honesty with Hogarth. I was listening to Script yesterday and Fish oftentimes gets too over-the-top for me. Especially on (I believe) "Forgotten Sons" when he starts in with the whole "As I walk through the shadow...." section. My reasons for preferring Hogarth is I truly believe he sings from the heart. E -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 09:33
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<<YES, I HAD A PHOTOGRAPHY TAKEN OF ME AND STEVE HOGARTH>>
Pete, Steve, and H signed my copy of Brave. 
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Posted By: Rorro
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 11:16
| The only neo prog band i really enjoy is IQ |
Posted By: lightbulb_son
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 13:46
Same here. Though I do listen to Marillion occassionaly, IQ is miles above the rest.
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Posted By: Titan
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 15:35
| Didnt expect so many IQ fans, great ! |
Posted By: lobster41
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 15:38
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They have completely changed places with me. In the 80's, Marillion was the much better band in my opinion. Fish's emotional and personal lyrics added a depth to their music that I still have not found an equal to. IQ, on the other hand, put out good music, but nothing that grabbed me. I actually find parts of "The Wake" leaning more towards New Wave than prog (certainly their wardrobe at the time screamed new wave - check out Mike Holmes' hair on "Tales..." Through the 90's and until today, IQ have gotten stronger by the CD to the point where"Dark Matter" is one of my favorites. It still doesn't match the emotion of Fish-era Marillion, but it is exquisite music. Marillion, on the other hand, has lost the passion (?) that they brought to their earlier works. Since "Brave", I have not heard anything that makes me sit up and take notice. I admit to not hearing all of "Marbles", but what I have heard strikes me as more of the same.
By the way, I did not start listening to IQ until 2004, whereas I started listening to Marillion in 1983. That might explain my opinions.
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).Posted By: Titan
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 15:52
| It would be interesting to see opinions fish era´s fans, if they prefer "new Marillion (from 1988" or "new IQ (from 1993)", because Hogarth´s era is really different than Fish´s era, quite different band. |
Posted By: Clepsydra
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 15:54
I AGREE Lobster41!
You took the words & thoughts out of me!!!
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 16:06
| Can I like them Both? |
Posted By: Teaflax
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 16:27
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^No! Blasphemy! You must pick sides. Mac or PC? Cessna or Piper? Beta
or VHS? PAL or NTSC? Militant Islam or Apocalytpic Christianity?
Nintendo or Sega? PlayStation or XBox? Cheese or Pickles? Banjo or
Trout? Antidisestablishmentarianism or Popcorn? -------------
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Posted By: Titan
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 17:08
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teaflax: PC, Piper, VHS, PAL, apocalyptic christianity, this is hard, mario and sonic rulezz, playstation, cheese, trout, popcorn |
Posted By: Chris_Kemp
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 18:53
Mac. Cessna. VHS. PAL. Apocalyptic Christianity. Sega. Xbox. Cheese. Banjo. Popcorn.
...oh...and IQ!!!!!!!! ------------- "That's not your face...it's mine! IT'S MINE!! |
Posted By: Teaflax
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 19:08
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I'm alarmed by how easily people pick Apocalyptic Christianity. There
shoudl be at least an "um..." before that, I would think. Damn.
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Posted By: Paulieg
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 19:12
I much prefer IQ seeing how I don't like Marillion at all. Since "The Wake", IQ has delivered quality album after quality album. I feel each release has actually increased in quality peaking with "Dark Matter." "The Seventh House" is also a masterpiece in my opinion. I'm not a big fan of neo, but IQ along with Arena and to some extent Pallas are exceptions. I have three of the Fish era Marillion albums and don't find much to peak my interest in them. IQ =  !!!!!
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 19:13
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I'll make Teaflax happy by popping in and saying that I wouldn't choose
neither militant Islam nor apocalyptic Christianity (militant Islam if
I had to pick one (so that there is a slight balance)). Though I'd
prefer not having to pick. I prefer what I have heard by Marillion over what I have heard by IQ. |
Posted By: Chris_Kemp
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 19:47
------------- "That's not your face...it's mine! IT'S MINE!! |
Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 21:18
I think I've researched enough. In the latter 90s, H once gave an interview in which he stated his hate towards neo-prog and his love for PT. Then, he made a play of words with "progressive" saying that the Steve Wilson's band was always progressing, that it was, ina sense, a "real progressive" band. And then, in that and other interviews of that time, he stated that the band was always progressing into something different with each album as if it were some sort of badge in itself: just changing and shifting for the sake of it instead of evolving across a long-time line of work... anyway... The play of words was used a couple of times, even if he spoke from an anti-progressive point of view.
I'm quite aware of how much has Marillion distanced itself from the prog vibe-label, etc.
Kind regards.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 21:24
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I think I may have misread your post. I thought you were stating that (Marillion) were calling it ('it' being their music) progressive. Thanks for the clarification.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 23:24
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I'm a Mac user so the rest won't matter, They will by virture of my fiirst decision be right.
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Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 10:11
It's basically to move away from the stereotype of progressive rock and neo prog in particular that's created by bands alike Pendragon who always seem to recreate the same album over and over again and this is called 'progressive'. Marillion, in my opinion, truly have progressed, but I would not call them prog rock, to me they are an experimental rock or melodic rock band. ------------- Interested in my reviews? You can find them http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=784 - HERE "...He will search until He's found a Way to take the Days..." |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 10:56
| Tough one. I like them both a lot. Mostly on the strength of their early albums. Still, I choose Marillion, because I think they retained more of an adventurous spirit, more than IQ. |
Posted By: lobster41
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 15:15
I'm sorry! Did it hurt?
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Posted By: chessman
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 16:44
As a Fish era fan, I would probably still take Hogarth era Marillion over IQ. It's not that IQ are a bad band, I quite enjoy playing The Seventh House sometimes, and am thinking of investing in Dark Matter. Would like to know more about Subterranea before getting that one.
I am one of those fans who like Holidays In Eden too. Anoraknophobia is pretty decent too. But I think, at their best, eg: Season's End, Afraid Of Sunlight and, especially, Marbles, they are still preferable to my ears.
Funny how two of the highest rated albums by both bands, eg: Brave and Ever are two of my least favourites. However, if I had to choose between them, I would go for Brave.
But, again, it's all down to personal taste. When it comes to neo-prog, I would take Pendragon over either Marillion or IQ, but that doesn't stop me enjoying them too.
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Posted By: Titan
Date Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:52
Try subterranea, its a really amazing album. Anyway iam really surprised, there are many IQ fans around as well. cool. |
Posted By: rupert
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 10:07
WHAT ABOUT ME ???
MARILLION for sure is my choice, especially the Hogarth-aera ( long may it run ).
Like IQ, too, especially EVER.
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Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 11:19
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There are a lot of parallels between the two bands if you
sit down with a cup of tea and some chocolate biscuits and mull it over for a
while; two main career singers, two drummers, bass players and bald keyboard
players who play for other bands, both have written some fantastic material in
their time, self financed records and fans who follow each band everywhere and possess
a fanatical devotion to the pope...
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Posted By: Teaflax
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 12:36
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Not the comfy chair! And for an IQ reference; Boxer the Nun. -------------
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Posted By: daz2112
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 14:14
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IQ are a much better band! Marillion only done a couple of good albums ------------- In the constellation of cygnus,There lurks a mysterious force...The black hole |
Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 14:20
Don't worry Teaflax, I pick militant Islam. I'm quite partial to a bit of sandal waving. |
Posted By: Titan
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 16:49
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Posted By: rupert
Date Posted: August 28 2006 at 12:08
 !!!------------- ...I'm a musician/singer/songwriter, visit me on www.reverbnation.com/rupertlenz and there you can choose from 125 recordings you can listen to ( for free ) if you're not limited to prog-rock ! |
Posted By: NeAl MoRsE
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 14:22
| this two bands are very good but i have to go with IQ... Marillion is good but since fish leaves the band they are not like before. that's why i think IQ is better. |