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Poll Question: What do you think of Progressive Metal
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2005 at 16:36
I think prog-metal is great, though not my favorite genre
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2005 at 16:42

It's a flawed question, because there are so many prog metal bands with VASTLY different styles.  Pain of Salvation sounds NOTHING like Arcturus which sound NOTHING like Psychotic Waltz which sound NOTHING like Fates Warning which sound NOTHING like Symphony X etc. etc. etc.

For those that voted that they don't like the genre, I think it has a lot to do with ignorance and an assumption that all prog metal bands sound like Dream Theater (these are the kind of people that only listen to music from the 70s... you have to be a LITTLE close minded to post at a prog forum but we're talking extremes with this crowd).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2005 at 16:45
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

MikeEnRegalia and Progtologist:

As I understand it, you two (if there are others, this includes you to) are working on the organization of prog-metal. I agree with this. I think one of the propositions Mike made in the original thread in the Prog Music Lounge, to make "Prog Metal" a seperate entitiy from "Prog Rock" yet still include it on this site, is a great idea. Even if that is not what you plan on specifically doing, I support your project fully.

Carry on.

Sorry, but that's nothing than an attempt to have and eat your cake. Either prog-metal is a part of progressive rock, then no separation is necessary, or it isn't, then what the hell does it in here?

I think prog metal and progressive rock are closely and undeniably linked. Many people who like prog metal bands like Opeth and Dream Theater come to PA and discover bands like Yes, Marillion, Symphony X and others, thus increasing PROGRESSIVE ROCK's overall fanbase. So, I believe for that reason, prog metal should be kept on this site. Since it's here, why don't we try to organize it for the convenience of the readers? This is logical to me.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2005 at 16:47

great genre!!

my favorites are Opeth and Fates Warning

I truly think Opeth is taking this genre foward with awesome riffs, uniqueness, vocals and variety. one of the best bands today!!! 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2005 at 17:33
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

MikeEnRegalia and Progtologist:

As I understand it, you two (if there are others, this includes you to) are working on the organization of prog-metal. I agree with this. I think one of the propositions Mike made in the original thread in the Prog Music Lounge, to make "Prog Metal" a seperate entitiy from "Prog Rock" yet still include it on this site, is a great idea. Even if that is not what you plan on specifically doing, I support your project fully.

Carry on.

Sorry, but that's nothing than an attempt to have and eat your cake. Either prog-metal is a part of progressive rock, then no separation is necessary, or it isn't, then what the hell does it in here?

I think prog metal and progressive rock are closely and undeniably linked. Many people who like prog metal bands like Opeth and Dream Theater come to PA and discover bands like Yes, Marillion, Symphony X and others, thus increasing PROGRESSIVE ROCK's overall fanbase. So, I believe for that reason, prog metal should be kept on this site. Since it's here, why don't we try to organize it for the convenience of the readers? This is logical to me.

You miss my point. For convenience of the reader genrés like symphonic prog or art-rock are way overdue of a reworking. Why don't we tackle them all? Would this have been suggested, with the ones who proposed a splitting-up of prog-metal volunteering for prog-metal, I would have been all for it. But the way it was done it was only to direct some spotlight at prog-metal. I repeat: Why did those who suggested splitting up prog-metal not suggest a general overhauling of genrés and volunteer for prog-metal? That's what I would have called some improvement of the site, and I would have supported it immediately and would have applauded them. The current suggestion is just an attempt of prog-metal heads to get more attention for their genré.

And I repeat: This has nothing whatever to do with my liking or not-liking of prog-metal; I just see an imbalance to the site if we follow the given suggestion. I would say just the same if someone suggested to split up any other sub-genré of prog. This is not the prog metal archives, nor is it the Zheul archives or the Krautrock archives. Either we split them all up or none.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2005 at 17:37
I like it.  As a matter of fact, I love prog-metal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2005 at 17:37
have to be honest, of what I've heard (which isn't much) I don't really care for it.  I will make an honest effort to get into it someday.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2005 at 17:40
I just want to add that Friede and I suggested that a band could belong to more than one genré, which would make this splitting-up unnecessary and be much more accurate.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2005 at 17:54
I Like it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2005 at 17:57
I dont care for it. I like Ayeron and a song or two from other bands, but that is pretty much the extent of it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2005 at 18:02
I LOVE IT ULKULK!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2005 at 18:15
I like it. I'd listened to metal before prog. I really like PoS, DT, Green Carnation, Jeremy (Korean Prog Metal ), Evergrey, The Provenance, SX and others, a bit Opeth too...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2005 at 23:28
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

MikeEnRegalia and Progtologist:

As I understand it, you two (if there are others, this includes you to) are working on the organization of prog-metal. I agree with this. I think one of the propositions Mike made in the original thread in the Prog Music Lounge, to make "Prog Metal" a seperate entitiy from "Prog Rock" yet still include it on this site, is a great idea. Even if that is not what you plan on specifically doing, I support your project fully.

Carry on.

Sorry, but that's nothing than an attempt to have and eat your cake. Either prog-metal is a part of progressive rock, then no separation is necessary, or it isn't, then what the hell does it in here?

I think prog metal and progressive rock are closely and undeniably linked. Many people who like prog metal bands like Opeth and Dream Theater come to PA and discover bands like Yes, Marillion, Symphony X and others, thus increasing PROGRESSIVE ROCK's overall fanbase. So, I believe for that reason, prog metal should be kept on this site. Since it's here, why don't we try to organize it for the convenience of the readers? This is logical to me.

You miss my point. For convenience of the reader genrés like symphonic prog or art-rock are way overdue of a reworking. Why don't we tackle them all? Would this have been suggested, with the ones who proposed a splitting-up of prog-metal volunteering for prog-metal, I would have been all for it. But the way it was done it was only to direct some spotlight at prog-metal. I repeat: Why did those who suggested splitting up prog-metal not suggest a general overhauling of genrés and volunteer for prog-metal? That's what I would have called some improvement of the site, and I would have supported it immediately and would have applauded them. The current suggestion is just an attempt of prog-metal heads to get more attention for their genré.

And I repeat: This has nothing whatever to do with my liking or not-liking of prog-metal; I just see an imbalance to the site if we follow the given suggestion. I would say just the same if someone suggested to split up any other sub-genré of prog. This is not the prog metal archives, nor is it the Zheul archives or the Krautrock archives. Either we split them all up or none.

OK, but instead of being resentful of Prog-Metal being "tackled" first, why don't you (or whoever wants to) spearhead reorganizing the other sub-genres. Personally, I don't care too much. The lines are blurred too often for effective organization in my opinion.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2005 at 23:48

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I just want to add that Friede and I suggested that a band could belong to more than one genré, which would make this splitting-up unnecessary and be much more accurate.

That would be cool, if the genres were listed all together. As the site is now, it would be incredibly confusing to search the Prog Metal section and find Dream Theater, then go to the Symphonic Prog Section and find them there too.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2005 at 02:48

Seems like prog metal isn't as unpopular here as I thought



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2005 at 03:17
Not only am I Prog fan I am a metal fan and when the two are combined that much better.I must say however not all Prog Metal is killer because too many vocalist think they are opera singers or something.Hey I love Dream Theater,Symphony X,Vaden Plas or Threshold as much as anyone else but there are too many Fates Warning,Dungen,Queens Riech or many others with anoying vocals.I must say my favorite Prog metal right now is Ayreon the dutch master.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2005 at 03:21

I used to be a metal fan, then I got into prog metal for about 3 years. After that I got exposed to the Genius of Gentle Giant, Genesis, Yes, King Crimson,etc, etc.....Its has been a year since I have been exposed and now I traded in EVERY prog metal album for prog rock albums. Prog metal is just too cheezy for me now.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2005 at 03:30
Dont misunderstand me, prog metal still has its moments. For one I still own Tool's Laterilus
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2005 at 12:05
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

MikeEnRegalia and Progtologist:

As I understand it, you two (if there are others, this includes you to) are working on the organization of prog-metal. I agree with this. I think one of the propositions Mike made in the original thread in the Prog Music Lounge, to make "Prog Metal" a seperate entitiy from "Prog Rock" yet still include it on this site, is a great idea. Even if that is not what you plan on specifically doing, I support your project fully.

Carry on.

Sorry, but that's nothing than an attempt to have and eat your cake. Either prog-metal is a part of progressive rock, then no separation is necessary, or it isn't, then what the hell does it in here?

I think prog metal and progressive rock are closely and undeniably linked. Many people who like prog metal bands like Opeth and Dream Theater come to PA and discover bands like Yes, Marillion, Symphony X and others, thus increasing PROGRESSIVE ROCK's overall fanbase. So, I believe for that reason, prog metal should be kept on this site. Since it's here, why don't we try to organize it for the convenience of the readers? This is logical to me.

You miss my point. For convenience of the reader genrés like symphonic prog or art-rock are way overdue of a reworking. Why don't we tackle them all? Would this have been suggested, with the ones who proposed a splitting-up of prog-metal volunteering for prog-metal, I would have been all for it. But the way it was done it was only to direct some spotlight at prog-metal. I repeat: Why did those who suggested splitting up prog-metal not suggest a general overhauling of genrés and volunteer for prog-metal? That's what I would have called some improvement of the site, and I would have supported it immediately and would have applauded them. The current suggestion is just an attempt of prog-metal heads to get more attention for their genré.

And I repeat: This has nothing whatever to do with my liking or not-liking of prog-metal; I just see an imbalance to the site if we follow the given suggestion. I would say just the same if someone suggested to split up any other sub-genré of prog. This is not the prog metal archives, nor is it the Zheul archives or the Krautrock archives. Either we split them all up or none.

OK, but instead of being resentful of Prog-Metal being "tackled" first, why don't you (or whoever wants to) spearhead reorganizing the other sub-genres. Personally, I don't care too much. The lines are blurred too often for effective organization in my opinion.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2005 at 17:23

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ well said ... I'd like to throw in the label "Heavy Rock" ... also often applied to bands like Deep Purple or Led Zeppelin.

Both bands were progressive, so "progressive heavy rock" is appropriate. One could just as easily classify AC/DC or Led Zeppelin as Heavy Blues, Heavy Rock, Hard Rock or Heavy Metal - and be right each time.

The term "Heavy" as applied to rock music originated in the 1960s, and is used by Grace Slick on the "Woodstock" compilation album during her band introduction speech, which runs something like;

"OK, people, you have heard the heavy bands, now it's time for morning maniac music".

Heavy referred to the seriousness and earnestness with which the bands played the music, as well as the opposite to the "lightness" of sound and philosophy of the more folky, dancy and "peace, love and happiness" type bands.

Terms like these have a grounding in reality, and are convenient "labels", as you put it, but can be readily interchanged and crossed-over. Deep Purple's music grew out of psychedelia and the blues, and Led Zeppelin's grew mainly out of the blues, with a dash of folk. These are the same roots that Prog Rock had.

Prog Metal's roots are mainly in metal - anything else seems largely forgotten or cut off. The "Prog" aspect of it comes from doing something a bit different to the rest - using odd time signatures, making it a bit more technically complex by and extending elements like riffs, bridges and so on. These are not common techniques in "traditional" Prog Rock.

The usefulness of subclassifying it seems limited to those who have a deep interest in the genre only; to those not immersed in it already, it all seems rather confusing.

That's only my perception, of course - I'm sure that your hard work is very useful to fans of Prog Metal.

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