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^ Interesting, you have GFD at the top but HCE in the middle. I should build a tiered export where the list is grouped by tier (S, A, ...), that would help to clarify what the range is (in your case your top 10 are all S tier, then 11-16 are A tier, ...). 
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

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In agreement for the most part, and its not really that I disagree in the other parts......What I prefer, me that is, is when SW uses the same musicians throughout a recording and album. He always finds a way to slide in a "guest" musician but prefer like The Raven, GFD and HCE where its a main group usually. That's where I find his music is more dynamic, as a solo musician on the recent albums the music is less dynamic.
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I'm not sure I agree with this ... in a couple of cases, and in a few of those specials about the music and work, but I think that he likes to do it himself, instead of accepting some input, and this is clearly seen with Nick Beggs in one take that wanted to do something different on a piece, and he asked SW to hear it first ... and it must have been fine, but I get the feeling that in all the other albums, and in the idea/case of him playing the bass in that last PT album, that he did not want anyone else getting in the way of the ideas in his mind, whenever they came up ... and when some folks might want to add their touch, and I think that he minimizes this part, to ensure that he finds his own touch, instead of opening up to others ... which is understandable many times ... I mean ... look at Picasso ...how would you say something to help his work? You wouldn't because he did not feel necessary to listen to it at all.

I can understand SW wanting to stay clear of ideas, and thoughts that would stray from his idea, and that's understandable for the most part ... it's what an artist does! It's not about the addition and confusion of new ideas ... it's about you being able to hone down your feeling to help it come alive!!!

That's an important point! And "dynamic" or "dynamism" is just our own reflection of it all, and not something that is exactly meaningful to an artist ... we forget that part ... it's not our concept!!! It's the artist's that matters!

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

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I don't listen to Vangelis, so don't connect with that type of music but I hear what you mean. For sure he has a lot of that older progressive influence that he will give a nod to usually, I do appreciate that of him.
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Weird comparison for me ... since Vangelis is ALL VISUAL, and this is something that SW is not quite clear about ... his own lyrics and words are more important to him, than the visual element, though he uses a cinematographer rather well, but in general, the visuals are not quite as clear to us how it connects, and maybe, for me, it does not!!! AND, I'm into the music in films, and how it is used, and the best, honor the VISUAL elements, and SW is very clear that he is about his words, not the musical visuality of it all, as far as I can think ... and I'm not sure that I am quite correct on this.

BTW, I do not see that it is an important "influence", since we can easily find Beethoven, Bach and others in so much of this stuff we consider music! Regardless of whoever the artist is! It's the nature of the beast, but comparing the work via STRICTLY the sound of an instrument which is not fair to the music at all ... and this was how folks looked at FISH, for example, and in the end, he was much more honorable and honest than PG ever has been! They, both, were, and are, very different!


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Some interesting comments and it seems everyone is trying to be kind because, well, it’s Steven Wilson!
I make it a 6/10 album because, like the curate’s egg, it’s good in parts. I think the Endless River comparisons are harsh but get the idea.
I think H.C.E is one of the greatest Progressive Rock albums of all time and The Raven is a stellar Prog Rock album too. This is no Raven and certainly no H.C.E and I agree with those who suggest he is better with a fixed band of stellar musicians as he had with those two works of genius. Guthrie and Marco are just incredible and certainly Guthrie is a world class guitarist who Wilson pushed to adapt his style to produce a body of work that transcends his previous playing.
I think Wilson thinks he’s created a DSOTM for the 21st Century but in reality he nearly re-created his own Endless River.

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^ Everyone deserves kindness, but there are many awesome artists out there who deserve more extra-kindness since they are getting nowhere near the level of attention that SW gets. To me it increasingly looks like a 7/10 release, and there are as of this moments many new releases of 2025 that I would rather want to listen to again.

Having said that, I'll still buy this download before it expires (tomorrow), because I'm a fan Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grumpyprogfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2025 at 06:55
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Everyone deserves kindness, but there are many awesome artists out there who deserve more extra-kindness since they are getting nowhere near the level of attention that SW gets.
And on page 3, I doubt those artists will be discussed at PA.
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^ I think that at least here in this forum the attention is well balanced ... we had a few threads for the big releases of the year so far (Parasomnia and The Overview), but also many threads on (IMHO) equally noteworthy releases from lesser-known artists.
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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Some interesting comments and it seems everyone is trying to be kind because, well, it’s Steven Wilson!
I make it a 6/10 album because, like the curate’s egg, it’s good in parts. I think the Endless River comparisons are harsh but get the idea.
I think H.C.E is one of the greatest Progressive Rock albums of all time and The Raven is a stellar Prog Rock album too. This is no Raven and certainly no H.C.E and I agree with those who suggest he is better with a fixed band of stellar musicians as he had with those two works of genius. Guthrie and Marco are just incredible and certainly Guthrie is a world class guitarist who Wilson pushed to adapt his style to produce a body of work that transcends his previous playing.
I think Wilson thinks he’s created a DSOTM for the 21st Century but in reality he nearly re-created his own Endless River.
For as many years I have seen your avatar, it still freaks me out!! Still love it.....

I can relate to a 6/10 for this album, it might rise to 7 but with GFD at an 8 for me, that's not enough of a spread because GFD is very very good IMO! I may rate the album on its own higher but in the context of his catalog and HCE, Raven, GFD and Insurgentes that does not leave a lot of room for The Overview.....

Seeing Guthrie and Marco live is intense, both are amazing and so creative in what they do. 
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^ After having listened to the Disconnected Version today, I'm leaning towards 8/10 again ... but on the low side (like 80/100). 

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Seeing Guthrie and Marco live is intense, both are amazing and so creative in what they do. 
Yep, and the albums they created as The Aristocrats are much more entertaining than SW.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tony R Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2025 at 13:45
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Seeing Guthrie and Marco live is intense, both are amazing and so creative in what they do. 
Yep, and the albums they created as The Aristocrats are much more entertaining than SW.


Really? The endless w**kery sends me to sleep eventually. Compose some songs will ya?
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Damn it's good to see a post from the horse. Cheers man.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Frets N Worries Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2025 at 13:54
Sadly no show closer than a couple hours drive, still tempting, though! 

A perfectly decent album, one that'll grow with re-listens I'm sure, as of now it's a 6.5/10
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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Damn it's good to see a post from the horse. Cheers man.

I was happy as well.....Although will probably have nightmares tonight with that horse chasing me, while I am riding my Big Wheel down the sidewalk at Disneyland......
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grumpyprogfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2025 at 14:12
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Seeing Guthrie and Marco live is intense, both are amazing and so creative in what they do. 
Yep, and the albums they created as The Aristocrats are much more entertaining than SW.


Really? The endless w**kery sends me to sleep eventually. Compose some songs will ya?
Hmm, is this endless w**kery?

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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Seeing Guthrie and Marco live is intense, both are amazing and so creative in what they do. 
Yep, and the albums they created as The Aristocrats are much more entertaining than SW.


Really? The endless w**kery sends me to sleep eventually. Compose some songs will ya?
Hmm, is this endless w**kery?



w**kery is in the eye of the beholder.
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...........w**kery
Wickery?
Wackery?
Wiskery?
Weekery?
Waakery?
Wozkery?
Witkery?
Wopkery?
Weakery?
Whakery?

Discuss...

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You missed Winkery?  Or Whiskery, which might be how it is said after a few too many shots.  (Never mind, this is too many letters for the 2 stars).

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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

You missed Winkery?  Or Whiskery, which might be how it is said after a few too many shots.  (Never mind, his is too many letters for the 2 stars).

Wunkery?
Watkery?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zeph Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2025 at 23:21
Since this has turned into a topic about The Aristocrats...

I listened a bit to their first album, but their style never clicked for me. They are all incredibly gifted players, but the format just isn't for me. I won't call it wiskery....wopkery?..., but music with too much guitar wackery doesn't grab me. 

I find Minnemann and Govan's contributions to SW's albums much better and engaging when it's part of better tracks. I think SW is very good at creating great songs and stories. When he threw some great musicians into the mix, it became something incredible (Raven, HCE).
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