New Steven Wilson Album and Tour Announced
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Topic: New Steven Wilson Album and Tour Announced
Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Subject: New Steven Wilson Album and Tour Announced
Date Posted: June 24 2024 at 08:17
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Steven Wilson Announces The Overview Tour http://www.clashmusic.com/live/steven-wilson-announces-the-overview-tour-how-to-get-tickets/" rel="nofollow - https://www.clashmusic.com/live/steven-wilson-announces-the-overview-tour-how-to-get-tickets/ http://stevenwilsonhq.com/" rel="nofollow - https://stevenwilsonhq.com/ The album pre-order is CD only at the moment with release early next year. ------------- Oh, for the wings of any bird, other than a battery hen |
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Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: June 24 2024 at 11:53
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... ------------- "You must not talk to idiots, it instructs them" (Michel Audiard) " Je ne parle pas aux idiots , cela les instruit" |
Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: June 24 2024 at 12:47
Great news. I will have to get tickets for the Newcastle gig. 
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 27 2024 at 06:44
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Hi, I'ma thunki' that it's time to go to sleep ... there are far better folks doing music these days, without the hype. I don't dislike SW, but I'm tired of the __________________ ... and music that is not really that great, but is distributed in such a manner as to make one thing it is great. The monthly best list alone, has far better stuff listed than some of the material he is doing. After 50 years of listening to music from all over the world, I'm afraid I would list a lot of albums before any of his.
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 27 2024 at 21:37
| ^ he knows how to operate for sure. Wilson does have a great appreciation for music generally if you check out his y/t channel that he does with Tim Bowness. I would hope that this would be a fun tour. I would go if I was living where I used to but now it's a 2 hr car journey. Not out of the question though. It was a hard pass when PT reformed. I saw them twice and they were great but that was then. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 28 2024 at 01:03
I think you should go ahead and list these albums, it's a good exercise. Also a nice lesson in humility - at least in my experience it is quite hard to list your favorite albums accurately. Easier said than done
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moshkito wrote:Posted By: Frets N Worries
Date Posted: June 28 2024 at 01:54
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According to his website, it's "two long pieces" which should make for an entertaining listen. ------------- The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow. Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time... |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 28 2024 at 01:58
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I'm ignoring all the hype. There will be SO MANY great releases until we get to hear these tracks, it is better to focus on them instead. |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: June 28 2024 at 05:44
| Nice to know. Thanks for posting. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 28 2024 at 07:34
Hi, Talk about assumptions! .... Because I do not admire something, with all the hype, does not mean EVER that I will not listen to it ... and I'm not sure you have looked in the mirror lately ... you need more humility than I. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 28 2024 at 07:53
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I asked you to list your favorite releases because I'm interested in them. Maybe you misread my post? Seems like you read "listen to " when I wrote "list". If you think I need more humility - noted.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 28 2024 at 07:58
Sure, posting a video by another band was off-topic. But it's not like I'm disrupting any meaningful discussions here, since there is very little information about the upcoming SW release, and won't be for several months.
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Posted By: Deadwing
Date Posted: June 28 2024 at 14:24
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I loved The Harmony Codex, it has this Up the Downstairs feeling that SW doesn't replicate since the Signify days The description of the next album seems to go in that direction as well in a more ambitious way. Can't wait to listen to the thing. Yeah, there 10-20 albums I'll be listening while it's not out, but, well, good for us, prog lately has been flourishing with a lot of great stuff. Airbag recently released a new album and it is great, same for a Norwegian group that has been posted here in the 2024 thread and looks awesome as well. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 28 2024 at 19:07
Hi, In general, I don't like to post "lists" and "favorites" ... since after 60 years, including classical music, there is so much stuff out there way better ... that choosing one over the other is ridiculous and the next day the order changes. Music, for me, is not about lists .... or favorites. It never has been. Sure I liked Dance of the Lemmings ... but there were also other things that got a lot of listening to. And at the time, just to give you an idea, Tomita was probably my special listen ... loved the interpretations! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 29 2024 at 00:12
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^ If you want to just spread negativity, by all means go on. I'm just saying that in order to make your criticism useful, you need to tell people what you do like - not only what you hate. Now you mentioned Tanz der Lemminge and (Isao) Tomita. That's a start, although I do not see the connection to Steven Wilson. So: Which releases would you recommend specifically to fans of Steven Wilson?
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 29 2024 at 02:24
| I do think that Wilson has worked hard to achieve what he has done and also has obviously been entrusted to do the remixes of the seventies prog giants. Basically it makes no sense to disrespect the man at all. If you don't like him then move along. Expressing excessively negative opinion makes very little sense to me and we are seeing a lot of it on the forum at the moment. I'm not comfortable with it all. None of these modern day prog artists are making any significant money that I am aware of and I doubt that SW will make that much from this tour in truth. Buy a ticket , don't buy a ticket , don't give a f**k but can we stop behaving like spoilt entitled children .. please! |
Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Date Posted: December 20 2024 at 05:13
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Album has a release date - 14 March 2025 http://www.instagram.com/p/DDzDZdiA39a/?img_index=1" rel="nofollow - https://www.instagram.com/p/DDzDZdiA39a/?img_index=1
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 20 2024 at 05:16
Can't say his last two albums did much for me, but I'm at least curious what he'll come up with. 
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: December 20 2024 at 12:49
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I want him to engage a full band going forward. Him playing all the instruments and patching it all together does not always work well IMO.....Only Prince was able to do this effectively. -------------   
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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: December 20 2024 at 15:07
Yeah, same here. I don't expect anything like Raven or Hand Cannot Erase moving forward but I'd prefer that style. However, as you said, I'm curious about whatever he releases. ------------- We all dwell in an amber subdomain, amber subdomain, amber subdomain. My face IS a maserati |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 20 2024 at 15:16
Hi, It is not meant to sound negative, but I have a really hard time making "choices" and after 600 foreign film reviews, I can't even name 5 that I think are the best ... although I can easily tell you who the most impressive soundtrack folks are, or who the most far out cinematographers are, or who the craziest, or fun-est, directors are. But it stops there, and music falls into the same area for me.
As I said before I do not look at albums as songs, and I don't look at musicians as a commodity for my ears. I consider SW a part of PT and in 30 plus years they have become a very nice group of musicians with a lot of neat things ... again, selecting one piece or another is hard for me since I don't do songs per se ... I would prefer to consider SW a composer and will state that his work is very nice indeed, and deserves the acclaim that he has gotten over the years. specially his technical expertise being use for many other works, which is nice for this generation, although I'm not one of the folks that thinks that a modern version redone by SW of Bruhaha by the Grand Minstrels is better or more interesting than the original ... I hear a recording of Igor Stravinsky conducting his own work, and then Leonard Bernstein's version, and then someone else's version, and the music is "STILL THERE" and alive, and though there might be moments that are different here and there, in the end, the medium works right ... the music is still alive. I don't think anyone can make me do favorites, it just isn't what I am about! It's not a matter of being stubborn ... I simply have no interest or desire in that area whatsoever. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: December 20 2024 at 15:41
| ^ Sure, whatever. Do as you like, but as long as you cannot give recommendations (as in: concrete examples of better versions of whatever you're currently bashing), you're not being particularly helpful. When it comes to SW in particular, having listened to hundreds of releases of the last couple of years, I think that he is pretty unique in what he does and how he goes about his solo releases. Even though they cover a broad range of styles, they are unmistakably SW. I couldn't think of any other releases that I could consider as candidates of better versions of his albums. That's not the same as saying that there are no better releases - there are of course, but none of them sound like SW. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 21 2024 at 06:55
Hi, Agreed. Again, there are many other things that I want in my collection, and I do have an almost complete PT and I think 3 SW albums, in case you want to know ... I wouldn't have bought any of it if I did not think those folks were not good .... but as for a placement in terms of preference, or numbers? That's not me. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: December 21 2024 at 14:48
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^ Like it or not, you do have a preference. There is a ranked list of your favorite releases, if not in terms of numeric rankings, then in terms of how often you have listened to them. And of course you might not remember it because you do not really care (which is absolutely fine). I keep asking you about your favorite releases because I think the list would be interesting to see. But I understand and respect your reasons for not posting it.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 21 2024 at 18:27
Hi, I probably could list a few albums, but they might be a bit old, and not some of the newer stuff ... but you already know that Amon Duul 2, Can, Klaus Schulze, Tangerine Dream and Ange are my top choices ... and I am not sure that many new things have stood up to many of those albums ... but I'll agree that I need to check out a few more things, though these days, I'm checking out some jazz albums, and finding some neat things. PT and SW are a good thing in my collection, but it's like Marillion and a lot of other stuff ... nifty, an nice to my ears, and I am not sure I need more from them ... I appreciate their artistry a lot.
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Date Posted: January 10 2025 at 10:12
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Pre-orders open: https://store.stevenwilsonhq.com/product/155996 Tracklist: 1. Objects Outlive Us - 23:17 a) No Monkey's Paw b) The Buddha Of The Modern Age c) Objects: Meanwhile d) The Cicerones e) Ark f) Cosmic Sons Of Toil g) No Ghost On The Moor h) Heat Death Of The Universe 2. The Overview - 18:27 a) Perspective b) A Beautiful Infinity I c) Borrowed Atoms d) A Beautiful Infinity II e) Infinity Measured In Moments f) Permanence A Prog album maybe? The consensus seems to think so. ------------- Oh, for the wings of any bird, other than a battery hen |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: January 10 2025 at 10:34
| I preordered it. Let's hope for a great album! |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 10 2025 at 11:05
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Pre-ordered from LasersEdge as I'm done ordering from across the pond. It does seem from what I have read this is more of a return to earlier SW albums and less of the TFB stuff. -------------
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: January 11 2025 at 06:59
Hi, Actually I do not have a preference, as I like to be surprised by different things all the time, and much prefer the "no ideas", "no nothing" kind of thing, as it colors my imagination a lot more. I do not, listen to Amon Duul 2, Can, or any of the things you would think are my "favorites" though I am very partial to the "krautrock" thing that most members refuse to accept was an artistic thing, not a rock music thing, but I guess PA folks don't want to know theater, film, literature and other arts ... well, I know a couple do ... but most don't and shy away from comments. I have a very good, I suppose meditative way to listen to things and I get it the first time, and do not need to have repeated listens so I can verify my ideas about lousy drumming and formatted guitar placement, and yet another meaningless growl. I do not, actually listen to AD2 3 times per week ... I don't need to. It is all in my heart safely ... and I can still fly with it. There might be a thing or two I enjoy listening now and then, but all in all, after a really good listen, doing it again, is kinda ... boring ... when the same thing happens again ... so I tend to stay away. A great example is that I enjoy all kinds of music, and lately have been taking on jazz, because it is far more segmented and varied, than the rock music we show around here, where most of the bands listed will never be appreciated or even commented on, beyond your little blurb. I've seen PT twice and SW twice ... I don't feel the need to see him again, unless he brings that wonderful woman with him, but she was probably way too emotional in one second for him to consider it good, and he won't do that again ... sort of like saying quietly, he won't put up with that kind of emotional thing ... which in that one song, was phenomenal. I like musicians that are not afraid ... and while he has a wide ear to hear many things, and probably thinks he has to be careful that he is on point with himself, and not accidentally copy something else he knows and/or has worked with. While I find his work interesting, and I will listen, I do not think of him as more special than someone else ... and if I had that comment for anyone at all, it would be Kate Bush ... and maybe Peter Hammill, though he is not as good or strong as he used to be in my book. That kind of unique-ness is something I love a lot ... not something that breaks into a song, formatted like all others, which is the kind of stuff I stay away from ... I don't need to clutter my mind with 10 different versions of the same thing! And I don't care if they are on the top 5 or 10 by anyone!
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: January 11 2025 at 07:43
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Preordered from Amazon, along with the new Jethro Tull album.
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Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Date Posted: March 17 2025 at 14:57
My lad and I went in to Preston (UK) city centre earlier for the Steven Wilson signing tour at Action Records. Quite a big turn out and we arrived at the back of a queue which built while we waited. A really slick operation by the staff though who had all the pre-orders ready to go. So I got the mint green LP signed for me and the Blu ray for my son and his fiancée. Steven came across really well and was happy to have a brief chat, just long enough but not too much to make it drag for others waiting. I just missed The Harmony Codex signing so was pleased to make it this time.      ------------- Oh, for the wings of any bird, other than a battery hen |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 17 2025 at 17:53
^ Sweet!! Steven looks stoned.......  -------------
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 17 2025 at 17:58
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Seems this new album is split down the middle on reactions......My record arrives tomorrow, but I have streamed it a few times. It's ok and maybe it will hit me deeper once I spin it, for the most part digital does nothing for me emotionally. I do feel like some of the music is a continuation of the Harmony Codex...... I really wanted to hear more dynamic music and less of Steven trying to be Prince and play many of the instruments. Only Prince was able to pull this off........SW needs to use all his previous musician connections and do more of a band album. I spun HCE last night and clearly there is a difference in that and what he is doing now with his music.... -------------
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: March 17 2025 at 18:28
| I think the record is quite good. Might already be one of my favorites from his extensive catalogue. We will see how it unfolds with time. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 18 2025 at 00:07
True of The Overview (the track) but the opening track is more band orientated with Russell Holzman stepping in to the shoes of Marco Minnerman. He has a nice feel and a groove perhaps coming from a jazz background like Marco I guess. The title track is a bit more of a continuation from the Harmony Codex and really wonder what the point of Craig Blundell is when he could easily be replaced by a drum machine. I do like the nods to Vangelis though with the scientific information quoting (from his wife) and also the outro which could easily be a track from Opera Sauvage. It's a very bright and breezy album with a ton of ideas. BTW I've never been the biggest fan of HCE. I find that quite disjointed and messy, good bits and bad bits. It was also a return to 'Alternative music' which is fine (and he nailed that with In Absentia) but really I prefer the prog. This is a prog album at least. I've noticed the album rating on PA is slowly rising as time goes on. I take that as being encouraging.
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Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Date Posted: March 18 2025 at 06:22
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Both the vinyl and the Blu Ray (atmos mix) sound awesome. No complaints there, but Steven Wilson always manages to make any music sound good. The album itself: the first few listens the first track Objects Outlive Us) was my preference, but after a few more listens I much prefer the second track (The Overview) now. On the Blu Ray the vocals seem really loud in the centre channel though which needed a few clicks down on the level there. The amount of spoken word stuff doesn't bother me as much as some - I find it just fits in well with the music. I probably prefer it slightly over The Harmony Codex. ------------- Oh, for the wings of any bird, other than a battery hen |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 18 2025 at 06:46
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I've just ranked all the PT and SW releases and came out with THC and TO at the bottom. Kind of sad, but I just think the other releases are even better! https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aota-6079-6221/users/MikeEnRegalia" rel="nofollow - https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aota-6079-6221/users/MikeEnRegalia Here's a rating based tiering:  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 18 2025 at 10:37
In agreement for the most part, and its not really that I disagree in the other parts......What I prefer, me that is, is when SW uses the same musicians throughout a recording and album. He always finds a way to slide in a "guest" musician but prefer like The Raven, GFD and HCE where its a main group usually. That's where I find his music is more dynamic, as a solo musician on the recent albums the music is less dynamic. I don't listen to Vangelis, so don't connect with that type of music but I hear what you mean. For sure he has a lot of that older progressive influence that he will give a nod to usually, I do appreciate that of him. But if you have seen SW live (we have at least 3x solo) he is a talker on stage and can complain when the audience is sitting down, I don't see that changing with music from his past couple albums, it's not standup music and pump your fist live material..... -------------
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 18 2025 at 22:56
| ^ yep I saw him pay live once (solo) and he made it clear to us that the audience was not making enough noise. I saw PT twice and that was much better and more exciting. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 18 2025 at 22:59
Nice idea. I've already rated 20 albums (not everything) so I can make a top twenty 1. https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1995#tag=%20%7bap:21184%7d" rel="nofollow - Porcupine Tree - In Absentia [ https://kscopemusic.bandcamp.com/album/in-absentia-remastered" rel="nofollow - BC ] [ https://open.spotify.com/album/2dAYkfqPYzOTDNxDDVP2vi" rel="nofollow - SPO ]
2. https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=39840#tag=%20%7bap:39185%7d" rel="nofollow - Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused To Sing [ https://kscopemusic.bandcamp.com/album/the-raven-that-refused-to-sing-and-other-stories" rel="nofollow - BC ] [ https://open.spotify.com/album/2xJFvV7JzoYYMere5rqjVf" rel="nofollow - SPO ]
3. https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=33877#tag=%20%7bap:36921%7d" rel="nofollow - Steven Wilson - Grace For Drowning [ https://kscopemusic.bandcamp.com/album/grace-for-drowning" rel="nofollow - BC ] [ https://open.spotify.com/album/44uwH9ASkm1MStvYdDdTDn" rel="nofollow - SPO ]
4. https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7289#tag=%20%7bap:21380%7d" rel="nofollow - Porcupine Tree - Deadwing [ https://kscopemusic.bandcamp.com/album/deadwing" rel="nofollow - BC ] [ https://open.spotify.com/album/2oQE67Gnc1GoMqoumvjPwN" rel="nofollow - SPO ]
5. https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1464#tag=%20%7bap:21379%7d" rel="nofollow - Porcupine Tree - Signify [ https://kscopemusic.bandcamp.com/album/signify-2014-remaster" rel="nofollow - BC ] [ https://open.spotify.com/album/5E4ETIXXh9k6wD7yaWPAwb" rel="nofollow - SPO ]
6. https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1459#tag=%20%7bap:21189%7d" rel="nofollow - Porcupine Tree - Up The Downstair [ https://kscopemusic.bandcamp.com/album/up-the-downstair-remastered" rel="nofollow - BC ] [ https://open.spotify.com/album/0P4P8H28rIH63ii5sOvqqG" rel="nofollow - SPO ]
7. https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1463#tag=%20%7bap:14147%7d" rel="nofollow - Porcupine Tree - The Sky Moves Sideways [ https://kscopemusic.bandcamp.com/album/the-sky-moves-sideways-remastered" rel="nofollow - BC ] [ https://open.spotify.com/album/7fTQERHHclQipzWmKfVly7" rel="nofollow - SPO ]
8. https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1470#tag=%20%7bap:14137%7d" rel="nofollow - Porcupine Tree - Stupid Dream [ https://kscopemusic.bandcamp.com/album/stupid-dream-remastered" rel="nofollow - BC ] [ https://open.spotify.com/album/1pECoAqVDY9J9VmfaBcwqg" rel="nofollow - SPO ]
9. https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=20537#tag=%20%7bap:22075%7d" rel="nofollow - Steven Wilson - Insurgentes [ https://kscopemusic.bandcamp.com/album/insurgentes-remastered" rel="nofollow - BC ] [ https://open.spotify.com/album/3psPvfJX0dMn05RK7fqcIL" rel="nofollow - SPO ]
10. https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1466#tag=%20%7bap:14125%7d" rel="nofollow - Porcupine Tree - Coma Divine [ https://kscopemusic.bandcamp.com/album/coma-divine-2012-remaster" rel="nofollow - BC ] [ https://open.spotify.com/album/6VraqAY6LZwy2ymnAyWdpe" rel="nofollow - SPO ]
11. https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=14488#tag=%20%7bap:14135%7d" rel="nofollow - Porcupine Tree - Fear of a Blank Planet [ https://kscopemusic.bandcamp.com/album/fear-of-a-blank-planet" rel="nofollow - BC ] [ https://open.spotify.com/album/59J51uy6r6QcYe7cX0Fzz6" rel="nofollow - SPO ]
12. https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=47434#tag=%20%7bap:41830%7d" rel="nofollow - Steven Wilson - Hand. Cannot. Erase. [ https://kscopemusic.bandcamp.com/album/hand-cannot-erase" rel="nofollow - BC ] [ https://open.spotify.com/album/6P7vL4vGgyrD7q9VR9BcnV" rel="nofollow - SPO ]
13. https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=88439#tag=%20%7bap:72869%7d" rel="nofollow - Steven Wilson - The Overview [ https://open.spotify.com/album/3xOcExpIWzroZldcdc212q" rel="nofollow - SPO ]
14. https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1473#tag=%20%7bap:14138%7d" rel="nofollow - Porcupine Tree - Lightbulb Sun [ https://kscopemusic.bandcamp.com/album/lightbulb-sun" rel="nofollow - BC ] [ https://open.spotify.com/album/05wsX7q5ocDkNWLL3gsGb2" rel="nofollow - SPO ]
15. https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1455#tag=%20%7bap:14133%7d" rel="nofollow - Porcupine Tree - On the Sunday of Life [ https://kscopemusic.bandcamp.com/album/on-the-sunday-of-life-remastered" rel="nofollow - BC ] [ https://open.spotify.com/album/6ZKwIt00ODjUrcue5rikkP" rel="nofollow - SPO ]
16. https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1478#tag=%20%7bap:14124%7d" rel="nofollow - Porcupine Tree - Recordings [ https://kscopemusic.bandcamp.com/album/recordings" rel="nofollow - BC ] [ https://open.spotify.com/album/1CUNZY1rWJaO6yHhLl29jV" rel="nofollow - SPO ]
17. https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=23718#tag=%20%7bap:25044%7d" rel="nofollow - Porcupine Tree - The Incident [ https://kscopemusic.bandcamp.com/album/the-incident" rel="nofollow - BC ] [ https://open.spotify.com/album/1DlEP44E1fNMgFh8TwI7cm" rel="nofollow - SPO ]
18. https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=54574#tag=%20%7bap:44754%7d" rel="nofollow - Steven Wilson - To the Bone [ https://open.spotify.com/album/1ahl6UmqCDuNy6rJVfRKeC" rel="nofollow - SPO ]
19. https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1456#tag=%20%7bap:14134%7d" rel="nofollow - Porcupine Tree - Voyage 34 [ https://kscopemusic.bandcamp.com/album/voyage-34-2016-remaster" rel="nofollow - BC ] [ https://open.spotify.com/album/68vsSrcxomMxEP2OHTL9mY" rel="nofollow - SPO ]
20. https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=4764#tag=%20%7bap:14131%7d" rel="nofollow - Porcupine Tree - Warszawa [ https://porcupinetreeofficial.bandcamp.com/album/warszawa-2020-remaster" rel="nofollow - BC ]
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 19 2025 at 01:25
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^ Interesting, you have GFD at the top but HCE in the middle. I should build a tiered export where the list is grouped by tier (S, A, ...), that would help to clarify what the range is (in your case your top 10 are all S tier, then 11-16 are A tier, ...). ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 19 2025 at 02:07
Hi, I'm not sure I agree with this ... in a couple of cases, and in a few of those specials about the music and work, but I think that he likes to do it himself, instead of accepting some input, and this is clearly seen with Nick Beggs in one take that wanted to do something different on a piece, and he asked SW to hear it first ... and it must have been fine, but I get the feeling that in all the other albums, and in the idea/case of him playing the bass in that last PT album, that he did not want anyone else getting in the way of the ideas in his mind, whenever they came up ... and when some folks might want to add their touch, and I think that he minimizes this part, to ensure that he finds his own touch, instead of opening up to others ... which is understandable many times ... I mean ... look at Picasso ...how would you say something to help his work? You wouldn't because he did not feel necessary to listen to it at all. I can understand SW wanting to stay clear of ideas, and thoughts that would stray from his idea, and that's understandable for the most part ... it's what an artist does! It's not about the addition and confusion of new ideas ... it's about you being able to hone down your feeling to help it come alive!!! That's an important point! And "dynamic" or "dynamism" is just our own reflection of it all, and not something that is exactly meaningful to an artist ... we forget that part ... it's not our concept!!! It's the artist's that matters!
Weird comparison for me ... since Vangelis is ALL VISUAL, and this is something that SW is not quite clear about ... his own lyrics and words are more important to him, than the visual element, though he uses a cinematographer rather well, but in general, the visuals are not quite as clear to us how it connects, and maybe, for me, it does not!!! AND, I'm into the music in films, and how it is used, and the best, honor the VISUAL elements, and SW is very clear that he is about his words, not the musical visuality of it all, as far as I can think ... and I'm not sure that I am quite correct on this. BTW, I do not see that it is an important "influence", since we can easily find Beethoven, Bach and others in so much of this stuff we consider music! Regardless of whoever the artist is! It's the nature of the beast, but comparing the work via STRICTLY the sound of an instrument which is not fair to the music at all ... and this was how folks looked at FISH, for example, and in the end, he was much more honorable and honest than PG ever has been! They, both, were, and are, very different!
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: March 19 2025 at 04:35
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Some interesting comments and it seems everyone is trying to be kind because, well, it’s Steven Wilson! I make it a 6/10 album because, like the curate’s egg, it’s good in parts. I think the Endless River comparisons are harsh but get the idea. I think H.C.E is one of the greatest Progressive Rock albums of all time and The Raven is a stellar Prog Rock album too. This is no Raven and certainly no H.C.E and I agree with those who suggest he is better with a fixed band of stellar musicians as he had with those two works of genius. Guthrie and Marco are just incredible and certainly Guthrie is a world class guitarist who Wilson pushed to adapt his style to produce a body of work that transcends his previous playing. I think Wilson thinks he’s created a DSOTM for the 21st Century but in reality he nearly re-created his own Endless River. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 19 2025 at 06:31
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^ Everyone deserves kindness, but there are many awesome artists out there who deserve more extra-kindness since they are getting nowhere near the level of attention that SW gets. To me it increasingly looks like a 7/10 release, and there are as of this moments many new releases of 2025 that I would rather want to listen to again. Having said that, I'll still buy this download before it expires (tomorrow), because I'm a fan https://store.stevenwilsonhq.com/product/the-overview-disconnected-version" rel="nofollow - https://store.stevenwilsonhq.com/product/the-overview-disconnected-version ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 19 2025 at 06:55
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 19 2025 at 07:54
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^ I think that at least here in this forum the attention is well balanced ... we had a few threads for the big releases of the year so far (Parasomnia and The Overview), but also many threads on (IMHO) equally noteworthy releases from lesser-known artists. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 19 2025 at 09:37
For as many years I have seen your avatar, it still freaks me out!! Still love it..... I can relate to a 6/10 for this album, it might rise to 7 but with GFD at an 8 for me, that's not enough of a spread because GFD is very very good IMO! I may rate the album on its own higher but in the context of his catalog and HCE, Raven, GFD and Insurgentes that does not leave a lot of room for The Overview..... Seeing Guthrie and Marco live is intense, both are amazing and so creative in what they do. -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 19 2025 at 09:51
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^ After having listened to the Disconnected Version today, I'm leaning towards 8/10 again ... but on the low side (like 80/100). ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 19 2025 at 12:46
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: March 19 2025 at 13:45
Really? The endless w**kery sends me to sleep eventually. Compose some songs will ya? |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: March 19 2025 at 13:48
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Damn it's good to see a post from the horse. Cheers man. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sQD8uhpWXCw" rel="nofollow - It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...Road Rage Edition |
Posted By: Frets N Worries
Date Posted: March 19 2025 at 13:54
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Sadly no show closer than a couple hours drive, still tempting, though! A perfectly decent album, one that'll grow with re-listens I'm sure, as of now it's a 6.5/10 ------------- The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow. Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time... |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 19 2025 at 13:58
I was happy as well.....Although will probably have nightmares tonight with that horse chasing me, while I am riding my Big Wheel down the sidewalk at Disneyland......  -------------
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: March 19 2025 at 14:04
| Been a long long time. |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 19 2025 at 14:12
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: March 19 2025 at 15:10
w**kery is in the eye of the beholder. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 19 2025 at 16:37
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...........w**kery Wickery? Wackery? Wiskery? Weekery? Waakery? Wozkery? Witkery? Wopkery? Weakery? Whakery? Discuss... -------------
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: March 19 2025 at 16:42
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You missed Winkery? Or Whiskery, which might be how it is said after a few too many shots. (Never mind, this is too many letters for the 2 stars).
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 19 2025 at 17:03
Wunkery? Watkery? -------------
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Posted By: Zeph
Date Posted: March 19 2025 at 23:21
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Since this has turned into a topic about The Aristocrats... I listened a bit to their first album, but their style never clicked for me. They are all incredibly gifted players, but the format just isn't for me. I won't call it wiskery....wopkery?..., but music with too much guitar wackery doesn't grab me. I find Minnemann and Govan's contributions to SW's albums much better and engaging when it's part of better tracks. I think SW is very good at creating great songs and stories. When he threw some great musicians into the mix, it became something incredible (Raven, HCE).
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 19 2025 at 23:25
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Blimey, Tony is back (I'll go and hide now )
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: March 20 2025 at 04:13
| Just lurking. |
Posted By: Deadwing
Date Posted: March 20 2025 at 04:32
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I loved the new album, IMO, I enjoy much more this direction than FoBP, Insurgentes or Raven lol Give me more semi-ozric electronic stuff. Here's my rating for his solo albums: S: Harmony Codex, Hand: Cannot: Erase, The Overview, Grace for Drowning
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 20 2025 at 04:49
From Marco's now deleted Facebook post. "Yes, some of the people involved in these productions had to learn through social media that these albums went gold. I seriously had no idea, so thanks for letting me know 😊. Well and what can I say, also at the end of the day they're SW's albums and he decides whom to share the success with. From what I've heard, some gold awards were given to one half of the band and the other half was excluded and not notified (very likely because of our decision for other band and touring commitments)." And later this.. "Well, to be honest, Raven and HCE are the only gold awards in that catalogue, aren't they... And excluding us, just because we cherish our own band The Aristocrats and refuse to ass crawl, is kind of a dick move...." Enjoy The Overview.
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Posted By: Deadwing
Date Posted: March 20 2025 at 05:03
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SW being dick is all over his career From early-PT where he calls Flower Kings the "death" of progressive rock, to this, and later on silent expeling Colin from PT. |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 20 2025 at 06:49
^I can see him and Fripp as Two of a Perfect Pair. 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 20 2025 at 08:57
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^ I can accept that many of my musical heroes are actually not nice persons. I don't really mind too much, as long as it does not venture into violent crime ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 20 2025 at 09:34
Hi, In all honesty I don't see the issue, as it looks like most musicians were hired to play this moment or next moment and they got paid for it and that's the end of it. I do think that a little more honesty and care about each and every player would be nice, but as Mike says some are actually not nice persons. Picasso was a famous one for that! And the Beatles had to get rude for folks to stop harassing them, and still didn't work for one of them! Paul went to the country to get away from it all! But somewhere along the way, things are gonna hurt ... and the more SW does that to some of the folks in his albums, the less available will be those musicians that make a difference, and SW will endup with young kids that are not very good, and his work and albums will suffer. It's his own investment on his future, so let him have it! As time goes by, his impression will die off and his music be less and less important or even appreciated. I keep waiting for that one album (not just SW) that goes nowhere and folks just trash it ... it might not be nice, but it could be the much needed vibe coming back around. I think he has placed himself in an area where he feels folks can't touch him, since he can do it all himself and not need a record company or anyone else to distribute his work. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: March 20 2025 at 10:28
| OMG a Tony R sighting! |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 20 2025 at 11:51
Need more, lurking turns into more posts..... -------------
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 20 2025 at 22:57
have long thought the same thing , ''kindred spirits'' for sure and SW of course now owns the Mellotron used on ITCOTCK
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 20 2025 at 22:59
He was probably right about TFK though
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 20 2025 at 23:08
Jon Anderson put out his best album last year since god knows when using young (fresh) musicians and similarly true of Neal Morse. There are many great younger musicians around who are desperate for a chance. Some of the newer names on the album especially Adam and Russell Holzman are brilliant but my main objection to the album is that it is trying too hard to fit into a vinyl format. The 2 sides are not even in terms of ideas with the shorter side is maybe elongated despite it being shorter while the longer side could have run longer for my liking. There will be many better albums released this year but few will be discussed as much.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 21 2025 at 12:32
Everyone knows that SW is a analog/vinyl dude, has been his whole life. He's got a huge vinyl collection seen on videos he does from home. That being said he may be connecting with albums like TAAB, Tubular Bells and others from 70's. Closure/Continuation had versions that included material not on the vinyl edition, so I think he can go both ways, CD length and Vinyl length. I've spun the record a few times now and I have to say it is connecting more with me now. The vinyl, compared to the 24bit hi-res file I was listening to, is much better sonically way more engaging. It was mastered for vinyl it seems with a much wider soundstage and the low end is bone jarring. That being said, I do find the album kinda disjointed in places. To me there are some bright spots and then some areas I find myself drifting.....I still find it between a 6/10 and 7/10. I do appreciate him giving other musicians a chance like Russell Holzman (Adam H has been playing with him on almost all his albums, he's not new). I'm not sure how this material will play out live when we see him in September, I suspect he will play the album in whole. I like the album, it's fine. -------------
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 22 2025 at 10:31
hi, And this is where I think a lot of folks might limit themselves, since it is clear that with some extra folks a bit more of a different touch always finds its way. The weird thing, and it goes back to hundreds of years, is that "composition" was, generally done by one person, albeit on a piece of paper, which would be somewhat similar to what SW does, although I think he is to tied up on what he thinks/feels is what he wants, which at times I'm not sure he really knows but since he can test and hear it, he can do something and then change it later, which might have been harder to do way back when. I have no issue with him playing everything, although in this day and age, and being a part of a "progressive" thing, we always prefer the ability to do something special, which quite often is shown by the various different folks within the group that help make it special. And we laugh at Mike Oldfield for playing everything! In the end, it might be better that he plays it all himself, and he can learn/define better what he wants to do, which is something he had no issues with when he started the whole thing by himself, and created a band, that he had to get folks for so he could go out and play it. IF, anything, it will help him define himself better, and I, honestly, do not think that is a bad thing and one of the things that has hurt the "progrock" thing and (likely) a lot of the "progressive" this and that, is just that ... too many folks doing something that is not always exactly unified, although the "riff" is kept up ... whereas an independent mind, would not likely be stuck on the folks around the composer, and has the potential to create something different ... which develops further as time goes by. Weird to see a reaction to him playing everything ... when it is how PT got started on cassettes! And we liked it and bought it! And I have a feeling that it was much better centered than the stuff he has been at for many years now. Goodness ... if we could see the future now! I have to admit that this has been a very nice listen to the long cuts ... it will likely end up as the album of the year. Nice to see some really good things done like this. I have to admit I'm impressed.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 22 2025 at 14:02
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Having listened to it a couple of times, there are a couple of things which REALLY annoy me (above all, the weird clapping in The Overview), but strangely enough I still think it's an A-tier release. I really enjoy listening to it. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 22 2025 at 23:04
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Hi, I'll listen to it again, though I'm not sure it will change how I feel about it ... all in all, it is likely the better thing he has done since his early days of doing it all himself ... which kinda suggests he NOW knows that he can do better/well by himself, instead of with others, and that does not mean that he is being mean ... it is what it is and we're talking about an artistic process. No one could help a Picasso. No one could help at Stravinsky. No one could help a Mark Twain. No one could help a great actor that saw things his/her way ... we just loved seeing it!!! And that is a fact about the process of a creative project. There is no musician, painter, or writer out there that I will say something weird ... how you gonna help Kerouac? How you gonna help Kesey? How you gonna help Burroughs? You can't. We, sometimes, do not have enough respect for the art form itself ... because so much of it has been sidetracked by the commerciality of it all ... but if we're going to be a "progressive music" bunch, we need to wake up and get a much better understanding of the art, BEFORE we spew out some really improper stuff. I think it rather weird that we get at SW for him playing everything! It's what art history has been about for hundreds of years ... ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 23 2025 at 10:18
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Hi, A side comment ... the toob version has after the 2 long cuts, all of suites are totally broken apart as singles. Please help stop the disgraceful disrespect for music. And Paul Mc may be a jerk, but he stood up to Apple, to prevent them from touching the music itself! That's not being a jerk ... it was standing up to an industry that had robbed The Beatles for many years, and wanted to continue doing it! If my name was SW, I would take it down for lack of respect for the art form and still think this is the 1960's and 1970's when "singles" were mandatory, and time showed that was BS ... and still is ... but more money is made from the singles than the albums at this point ... I imagine! Too many kids only spend 99 Cents, not more for an album! And we're not doing anything about it to protect our music at all!
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 23 2025 at 11:10
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Hi, Sorry to invade this thread, but something came up as I happened to catch a comment here and there. The one that got me, was from Pete Pardo's review of this album. The sad part was "I didn't get it" ... and he says he has to listen more to it. I never met anyone in the 1960's and then 1970's and in the history of progressive music that ... said ... something as bizarre as ... I didn't get it! And sometimes there is nothing to get! But, in general, the major comment is that it is two long cuts ... I never heard anyone trash Beethoven's Symphonies, or the work of Tchaikovsky or Stravinsky ... because it is not a bunch of small parts ... It's weird ... we get small cuts and it gets listed everywhere in the annals of Album of the Month or Album of the Year ... and then we get long cuts, and some folks don't like or refer to say "don't get it", and excuse themselves to have to hear it again, because they did not get that memory part that can repeat a melody which makes you like it better ... yo ended up humming with Vangelis, Jarre, and many others ... but you heard this thing by SW and you did not come out of it whistling anything ... and immediately it is not good enough! It's a 3, not a 5. Because we're so tied to the commercial side of things that anything different and not defined to be exactly like everything else ... did not give us that immediate idea that it was great. I am inclined to believe that we're not listening ... we're instead comparing it to a lot of other things out there, and because of it, we're making this piece less important or valuable. I want to say that we lost the ability to listen altogether. That will be a curse that can not be reversed with progressive music! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 23 2025 at 11:31
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I often prefer to say that I did not grok something meaning that it did not resonate with me, I did not feel connected with it, I did not empathise with it, I did not get some sense of deep understanding and sense of "being" with it (it is not one with the body for a Star Trek reference). I love Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land. "I did not get it" is an expression that can have different nuances and contexts. If I were to use it regarding music, I likely would be referring to the lack of connection I feel with the music. And sometimes it does take more than one listen for music to click with me. This can be because of my mood, distractions/ lack of focus, what I am most into at a given time. Sometimes I need to listen to music at the right time and in the right place (and in the right headspace) to "get" or "grok" things. I have not heard the SW album yet, but will give it a spin anon. I still have only listened to eight albums from this year: Hesse Kassel - La Brea, Squid - Cowards, Niechęć - Reckless Things, Motorpsycho - Motorpsycho, France - Destino Scifosi, Richard Dawson - End of the Middle, Heartworms - Glutton for Punishment and Krokofant - 6. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 23 2025 at 15:00
I downloaded the "Disconnected Version" from Steven's Website. What's wrong with it? Strange to think of it as "singles" ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 24 2025 at 13:07
Hi, When I heard them, I finally realized that they were all from the large piece, broken down into small parts ... thus making them look like singles ... Now that I think about it, it might be a good commercial idea, and probably sell more "singles" than the album/CD itself. But it it were my piece, I would not allow that to be done to my piece. It's like you are buying a piece of art, and someone else has the other part ... just not for me! One either respects the composition or one doesn't. And I am worried that the Internet couldn't careless about art or a piece of music ... and like Mike Rutherford stated, his children don't want the long cuts. They wanted the single their friends have and they don't care who the band is! Goodbye progressive music ... we only wanted the singles now, Mike!  For me, Mike, this was the same thing that happened in 1972 when the radio stations received (for example) a banded version of Close To The Edge, so the station might (at least) play some of it ... but in those days we bought the albums, so the hint, might have been OK, but the idea was horrible. You would not allow Beethoven's 5th to be slit up! Or any other classical music ... or you simply don't think that the stuff we like does not belong in the music history at all ... it's just singles and crap after all! Very scary thought in my book!
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 24 2025 at 14:52
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^ I don't care about singles at all ... IMHO progressive music is about studio albums and EPs, and that's what my website also focuses on. But what does that have to do with The Overview? Except for the Objects: Meanwhile video on YouTube, there are no "singles" from that album available anywhere. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 24 2025 at 18:21
Hi, Glad to hear you say that about singles. The location on the toob is the one that had all the small pieces listed. My comment was more of a joke, but in the end, "progressive" started with a break from the commercial thing, that was dominated by singles on the AM radio dial in America. The FM radio in America busted that wide open, and it wasn't until the end of the 1970's when a whole bunch of corporate entities bought out all the FM stations (they were mostly independent, so not surprised to see some folks cash out!!!) ... and it became what it is today ... "classical rock", or the same rotation of the 50 bands they have some ownership of! I guess, that with your help and most everyone here, that we would be able to break that ... but I think that we have to stand up for the music a bit more ... though at our age, fighting is often a lost cause and we lack the strength for it ... so all that is left is some hope that things can improve ... but seeing more long pieces broken up in parts is very scary for me, and a return to the bad things in the past that many record companies did because they knew no one would fight them ... or stand up for the "music" ... it was just another piece of money for them ... had little to do with music! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 24 2025 at 21:52
| ^ it's not uncommon for bands to break down their 2 track albums into seperate songs and offer that as an alternative. Norwegian band Infringement did that last year with Black Science and White Lies. It's entirely a commercial decision connected to streaming revenue as they are paid per song streamed. Ie it can ultimately increase the streaming revenue 5 times if there are 10 tracks instead of 2 assuming people stream the whole album in one sitting. Also there are those idiots like me who listen on 'shuffle mode' when I'm out in the car. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 25 2025 at 18:56
Hi, Good thing you never heard the banded versions of CTTE, TFTO, TAAB and Relayer ... it's when you really knew who was in control of the music, though it took a few years before they killed the free form FM radio in America! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |