Something incredible happened in my life

rogerthat wrote: Sean Trane wrote: oliverstoned wrote: Hi Sean! Good to hear fom you!! I hope you're well? The spiritual quest is for everybody anyway, the poor like the rich. There's no relationship, as, anyway, life becomes a delight in the state of Samadhi, whatever the situation (only extreme life situations like war, where survival is really a concern would make spiritual practice difficult). I always loved your expressions, such as this "tutti frutti" Could you please elaborate on the Sadghuru cult? What i Can tell is that he gives his wisdom for free, that his organisation has planted billions of trees in India... Osho was more controversial it seems but looked an authentic master as well Doing OK, despite the lockdown driving me nuts (both in Bel and NL) and the GF's house renovation project going wrong (her fault at 80%) taking a lot of energy out of me. Well as for your "spiritual quests", you know that as an atheist, I don't care for such philosophies, but I prefer that direction than churches and doctrines. I am from India. I know something about Sadhguru and have watched his 'evolution' with both intrigue and dismay. I would dare say his world is a cult and not much better than churches or doctrines. It IS less dangerous, so far, than Rajneesh but essentially an English-speaking cult for the educated and affluent set as Rajneesh was (as opposed to mass cults like the now disgraced Asaram Bapu).  It is less ambitious in targeting wounded corporate warriors and their stress levels as opposed to offering a radical new way of life that embraced everything in excess, from sex to limousines, after critiquing Western civilization for said sin. However, oliverstoned has the benefit of distance - physical and cultural - from Sadhguru and his teachings and therefore the flexibility to adapt his teachings to his own circumstances.

Edited by oliverstoned - November 21 2020 at 02:59

oliverstoned wrote: Here's a second gift i received that i want to share with you, it's a Kriya breathing technique. Please sit in a chair with a cushion behind your back if needed in order to be perfectly straight and put yoursef in the direction of the East with empty stomach please. You can do it outdoor if the weather permits. Listen to the video with eyes closed and follow the guided exercice. The effect is not as deep & powerful as Shambhavi mudra but is instantly felt if done properly. Hope it'll work for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f-frAqkTCs

Well....I think 'Oliverstoned' lives up to his name.....

However, i must precise that the state of "enlightment" i'm experiencing is temporary and will dissipate if i stop my daily practice.
A state is anyway by essence temporary.
What i'm experiencing is "just" a stage of Samadhi and not of the highest level but it's already a dramatic difference compared to my psychological state before i begin the practice.



Edited by oliverstoned - November 22 2020 at 12:49

About the pineal gland, from Wikipedia:

"Society and culture

Diagram of the operation of the pineal gland for Descartes in the Treatise of Man (figure published in the edition of 1664)
Seventeenth-century philosopher and scientist René Descartes was highly interested in anatomy and physiology. He discussed the pineal gland both in his first book, the Treatise of Man (written before 1637, but only published posthumously 1662/1664), and in his last book, The Passions of the Soul (1649) and he regarded it as "the principal seat of the soul and the place in which all our thoughts are formed."[60] In the Treatise of Man, Descartes described conceptual models of man, namely creatures created by God, which consist of two ingredients, a body and a soul.[60][61] In the Passions, Descartes split man up into a body and a soul and emphasized that the soul is joined to the whole body by "a certain very small gland situated in the middle of the brain's substance and suspended above the passage through which the spirits in the brain's anterior cavities communicate with those in its posterior cavities". Descartes attached significance to the gland because he believed it to be the only section of the brain to exist as a single part rather than one-half of a pair. Most of Descartes's basic anatomical and physiological assumptions were totally mistaken, not only by modern standards, but also in light of what was already known in his time.[60][62]

The notion of a "pineal-eye" is central to the philosophy of the French writer Georges Bataille, which is analyzed at length by literary scholar Denis Hollier in his study Against Architecture. In this work Hollier discusses how Bataille uses the concept of a "pineal-eye" as a reference to a blind-spot in Western rationality, and an organ of excess and delirium.[63] This conceptual device is explicit in his surrealist texts, The Jesuve and The Pineal Eye.[64]

In the late 19th century Madame Blavatsky (who founded theosophy) identified the pineal gland with the Hindu concept of the third eye, or the Ajna chakra. This association is still popular today.[60]

In the short story "From Beyond" by H. P. Lovecraft, a scientist creates an electronic device that emits a resonance wave, which stimulates an affected person's pineal gland, thereby allowing her or him to perceive planes of existence outside the scope of accepted reality, a translucent, alien environment that overlaps our own recognized reality. It was adapted as a film of the same name in 1986. The 2013 horror film Banshee Chapter is heavily influenced by this short story."




Another interesting point is that, during the first three weeks of practice, i knew some brief moments when the extasy was so intense that i felt that it was the limit of what i could stand.




Edited by oliverstoned - November 26 2020 at 12:00

'Thesophy' was founded by Blavatsky and others and they thought Krishnamuti was going to be their 'guru and leader' one day....but Jiddu 'realized' (as a young man using basic meditation and contemplation techniques common to to those in India) that Truth was bound to no specific path but was simply Truth.

Are you used to be overwhelmed by joy to the point that tears comes out ? How often do you experience that?

Edited by oliverstoned - November 26 2020 at 23:49

oliverstoned wrote: Are you used to be overwhelmed by joy to the point that tears comes out ? How often do you experience that?

rogerthat wrote: oliverstoned wrote: Are you used to be overwhelmed by joy to the point that tears comes out ? How often do you experience that? Number of occasions.  When I heard a symphonic orchestra perform Beethoven's Ninth Symphony live in the auditorium.  After the performance, I rushed out to the Marine Drive promenade in Mumbai (the hall is right on Marine Drive) and let the sea breeze envelop me as I gazed at the moonlit sky. I was similarly ecstatic after watching Shakti live or a show of legendary Indian singer Shreya Ghoshal.  I have also similarly been overcome by the beauty of nature on a number of occasions.  While it's not quite as natural as may appear, the first time I saw the Niagara Falls was an overwhelming experience.

I dont deny that you're able to experience intense emotional states in a "normal" state of consciousness. Attending to a concert or seeing the Niagara falls is a very good example: it's extraordinary because its totally New for your mind. If you go to the Niagara falls everyday, over a period of Time, it will not move you anymore. What i live for three months is very different. Ive seen trees and skies all my life but now there are alive, it's intense all the time, i dont need something new externaly.
I understand it's difficult to get as long as you dont experience it...

Edited by oliverstoned - November 27 2020 at 08:37

You know i'm a huge music lover, so i'm not stucked with my visual sense

I don't read much joy & bliss between your confuse lines...

Edited by oliverstoned - November 27 2020 at 22:16