Is it time for Brutal Prog as a new sub?

Some King Crimson is pretty brutal. Same with parts of Electronic Meditation (Tangerine Dream)...

Polymorphia wrote: Easy Money wrote: AVANT FOLK: Ah, but Avant Folk is a term. It isn't a prog subgenre though.

He didn't say it isn't an existing term, in case that's unclear to anyone. I would call Avant Folk, Brutal Folk, and Extreme Folk terms even if he coined them. That said, as used terms, all three existed. Kazuki Tomokawa for instance has had music described as Avant Folk, Psychedelic Folk, Contemporary Folk, and Brutal Folk. There are various acts labelled Extreme Folk. CLICK There is an extreme folk festival: https://www.xfsmusic.org/#!about_us/c14e3 Alamaailman Vasarat (which is in PA's Avant category) is considered by some to be an Extreme Folk band

I would say that all of these terms could be incorporated into Prog subgenres, or subsubgenres (especially if having multiple classification tagging) for music

For instance under Prog Folk we could have:

Avant Folk
Acid Folk
Chamber Folk
Brutal Folk
Extreme Folk
Pirate Folk
Queer as Folk
Polka Dance Party Booty Folk

It would be implied that, say Avant Folk at PA, refers to Avant Prog Folk (that which we put under the Prog tent), but for clarity once could add Prog to the end of each of those.

Well, of course we could have anything if we and M@X were willing, but whether we'd want to is as another matter.

Edited by Logan - June 20 2019 at 11:28

Easy Money wrote: ^ Funk Folk Free Folk 12 tone Folk Serial Folk Cereal Folk Modal Folk Vegan Folk "Your Folks and My Folks"

siLLy puPPy wrote: Logan wrote: Polymorphia wrote: Easy Money wrote: AVANT FOLK: Ah, but Avant Folk is a term. It isn't a prog subgenre though. He didn't say it isn't an existing term, in case that's unclear to anyone. I would call Avant Folk, Brutal Folk, and Extreme Folk terms even if he coined them. That said, as used terms, all three existed. Kazuki Tomokawa for instance has had music described as Avant Folk, Psychedelic Folk, Contemporary Folk, and Brutal Folk. There are various acts labelled Extreme Folk. CLICK There is an extreme folk festival: https://www.xfsmusic.org/#!about_us/c14e3 Alamaailman Vasarat (which is in PA's Avant category) is considered by some to be an Extreme Folk band I would say that all of these terms could be incorporated into Prog subgenres, or subsubgenres (especially if having multiple classification tagging) for music For instance under Prog Folk we could have: Avant Folk Acid Folk Chamber Folk Brutal Folk Extreme Folk Pirate Folk Queer as Folk Polka Dance Party Booty Folk It would be implied that, say Avant Folk at PA, refers to Avant Prog Folk (that which we put under the Prog tent), but for clarity once could add Prog to the end of each of those. Well, of course we could have anything if we and M@X were willing, but whether we'd want to is as another matter. You  missed one of the actual tags - Freak Folk. Anything beyond mondo bizarro, thus Comus, Exuma, etc

I wasn't intending to be comprehensive, but yes, I love Freak Folk (I know you know this topic because you posted in it, but I'm always hoping for more recs): http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=112591

Edited by Logan - June 23 2019 at 13:48

Why stop there? I can think of other possible subgenres not on here such as jazz prog(not the same as jazz fusion or canterbury)but bands who have a jazz influence(think of something like Steely Dan but more prog sounding), soft prog(stuff that's mellow but not necessarily folky) and also art rock(or maybe even semi prog).  I remember there being a category for prog related music called zolo(does anyone remember that?). It didn't really take off because the music fell into other categories and there maybe wasn't a very unifying common thread throughout all the bands other than they were a bit weird or off beat.

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: Why stop there? I can think of other possible subgenres not on here such as jazz prog(not the same as jazz fusion or canterbury)but bands who have a jazz influence(think of something like Steely Dan but more prog sounding), soft prog(stuff that's mellow but not necessarily folky) and also art rock(or maybe even semi prog).  I remember there being a category for prog related music called zolo(does anyone remember that?). It didn't really take off because the music fell into other categories and there maybe wasn't a very unifying common thread throughout all the bands other than they were a bit weird or off beat.

Zolo isn't necessarily prog. It crosses over into avant-prog, but doesn't have to be prog. Some of it is based more in new wave.

Brutal prog could be like the drunk uncle with the twisted stories at Thanksgiving.

Edited by Raff - July 14 2020 at 14:54

oh dear God...

^ AOP or Adult Oriented Prog for those who love Barry Manilow but want some more time signature workouts