Is it time for Brutal Prog as a new sub?
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Topic: Is it time for Brutal Prog as a new sub?
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Subject: Is it time for Brutal Prog as a new sub?
Date Posted: June 17 2019 at 07:26
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Tried to post this in the collab section but it wouldn't let me. There is a general consensus of the tag BRUTAL PROG as a bona fide subgenre of progressive rock. Many of the bands on this site are tagged under RIO / Avant but many have been rejected. It's a style of prog that is as brutal as metal but not quite fitting into the metal world but sometimes easily crosses over and still in some cases does qualify as experimental or avant-garde metal. Looks like this topic has been suggested before but with no responses and then quickly locked. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19739" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19739 Definition by RYM: First coined by https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/weasel-walter" rel="nofollow - Weasel Walter of the band https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/the-flying-luttenbachers" rel="nofollow - The Flying Luttenbachers , Brutal Prog describes a diverse array of artists working within the https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Progressive+Rock/" rel="nofollow - Progressive Rock and https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Avant%2dProg/" rel="nofollow - Avant-Prog idioms. Brutal Prog combines the intensity and sonic dissonance of genres like https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Hardcore+Punk/" rel="nofollow - Hardcore Punk , https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Noise+Rock/" rel="nofollow - Noise Rock , https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/No+Wave/" rel="nofollow - No Wave , and https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Free+Jazz/" rel="nofollow - Free Jazz with the complexity and adventurousness of https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Progressive+Rock/" rel="nofollow - Progressive Rock , https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Avant%2dProg/" rel="nofollow - Avant-Prog , and https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Math+Rock/" rel="nofollow - Math Rock . Though the genre has its precursors (such as the highly influential group https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/ruins" rel="nofollow - Ruins ), its peak of popularity occurred in the early 2000s with bands like https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/upsilon-acrux" rel="nofollow - Upsilon Acrux , https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/hella" rel="nofollow - Hella , https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/zs" rel="nofollow - Zs , https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/ahleuchatistas" rel="nofollow - Ahleuchatistas , https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/yowie" rel="nofollow - Yowie , and https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/grand-ulena" rel="nofollow - Grand Ulena . Weasel Walter's own https://rateyourmusic.com/label/ugexplode/" rel="nofollow - ugEXPLODE , as well as https://rateyourmusic.com/label/skin_graft_records/" rel="nofollow - Skin Graft Records , https://rateyourmusic.com/label/cuneiform_records/" rel="nofollow - Cuneiform Records and https://rateyourmusic.com/label/tzadik/" rel="nofollow - Tzadik , featured numerous Brutal Prog bands. I recently also made a comprehensive list of BRUTAL PROG artists for my own amusement.
http://https://rateyourmusic.com/list/siLLy_puPPy/quintessential_brut_l_prog_fixx/" rel="nofollow - http://https://rateyourmusic.com/list/siLLy_puPPy/quintessential_brut_l_prog_fixx/ In addition to RYM recognizing this sub as a worthy addition, so do many other sites. http://https://www.last.fm/tag/brutal+prog" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.last.fm/tag/brutal+prog http://bandcamp.com/tag/brutal-prog" rel="nofollow - https://bandcamp.com/tag/brutal-prog http://www.reddit.com/r/progrockmusic/comments/976hxz/looking_for_some_brutal_prog_band_recommendations/" rel="nofollow - https://www.reddit.com/r/progrockmusic/comments/976hxz/looking_for_some_brutal_prog_band_recommendations/ Many others simply give multiple tags to cover it. Ruins is for example prog rock, noise rock, avant-garde jazz, harsh noise, zeuhl, avant-garde metal. The tag is much more widely used than when the original suggestion was presented in 2006 so maybe it's time to consider it as a worthy new sub here. First of all, is it even possible to add a new sub with the owner's involvement with the site? Secondly, who else thinks it's a valid tag worthy of addition? Thirdly, if everyone does agree what would it entail if we added such a new sub to the database? I've already made a comprensive list of worthy candidates so that aspect of the research has been done. Let the comments begin!  -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
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Posted By: patrickq
Date Posted: June 17 2019 at 08:09
| Why not? Jazz Music Archives and Metal Music Archives have many more subgenres and (in the case of MMA anyway) many fewer titles. |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: June 17 2019 at 08:39
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Absolutely! Well, that is, if it's feasible while M@X is MIA. Brutal Prog is home to some of the most forward thinking bands out there. Even if the tag isn't added, I recommend checking out that list. ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 17 2019 at 08:51
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Since it's not a suggestion of a specific band I moved the topic here in 'Help Us Improve The Site' where I can see a thread like this being opened. The answer to the question of the topic at hand is a no though, I'm not going by merits or familiarity with it or anything, adding a new genre seems to be another thing that isn't possible of doing without M@X. Since he barely notices some other more serious issues I doubt he's gonna jump on this one.
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Posted By: patrickq
Date Posted: June 17 2019 at 09:29
M@X sounds like a web wizard who’s moved on from Prog Archives. Is that correct? |
historian9 wrote:Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 17 2019 at 09:36
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^I don't know anything about his moving on or reasons for it, but he was the only web wizard around, yes. I think it will almost be a year since he visited. |
Posted By: Quinino
Date Posted: June 17 2019 at 15:44
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Well, he smashed the craptcha bug, didn't he ? (so he must keep some kind of intervention - at least of pest control)
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 17 2019 at 17:37
Well he barely visits MMA either but we still got several new subs added last year. Just throw it on the list. I'm just putting it up for discussion in case it is ever possible to request such a thing. And curious as to what everyone else thinks. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: patrickq
Date Posted: June 17 2019 at 18:57
| So would some artists be moved from other genres to Brutal Prog? Just curious. |
Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: June 17 2019 at 19:08
| As long as you don't call my subgenre Wussy Prog, I'm okay with it. |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: June 17 2019 at 20:47
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 17 2019 at 20:52
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I don't see this as necessary, since the RIO/Avant page mentions brutal prog and anything associated with the genre is placed there. Having brutal be a sub of the Avant sub just makes the most sense to me, as antying I''ve heard that gets tagged as brutal prog is in the avant field. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: June 17 2019 at 22:51
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 17 2019 at 23:02
No doubt RE: math rock. But at least from what I know of math rock, these bands are certainly much 'uglier' and out, which I would attribute to the avant influence. But then again, there is probably a lot of overlap between the avant-rock and math-rock worlds, at least theoretically. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 17 2019 at 23:10
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Yeah, but there are many that have equal amounts of jazz influences. If we are all about lumping together then why are there three metal categories? Why not just Prog metal and be done with it? But we have extreme and experimental. If we were going to do lumping together then why not post-rock with post-metal and just call it post-prog! I suggested it because it seems to be a term that is popular now. If we don't care about being on the cutting edge of prog then it doesn't matter but it seems we should separate them just for those who don't want to wade through all the avant- just to find something brutally avant. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 18 2019 at 00:20
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I believe metal was split because it was just too large and unwieldy. Someone from the prog metal team can correct me if my memory is a failure. (It might have had something to do with all the extreme metal bands that were added that are quite a bit different from dream theater and the traditional prog metal stuff, as well.) ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: June 18 2019 at 01:00
What's the use of inventing artificial genres? And where we find brutal men to make a Brutal Team?  ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: June 18 2019 at 02:11
Like eclectic - brutal isn't a genre. Its possibly an additional descriptor. "Yeah they are avant but brutal". Ask for descriptors instead of even more silly genre-inventions.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 18 2019 at 02:43
Is it time for Brutal Prog as a new sub?naaaah, ELP is fine where it is!!   
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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: June 18 2019 at 04:24
| "Brutal" prog?? Do you have to hit yourself over the head with a blunt object when you listen to it? What a silly sounding genre name. |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 18 2019 at 06:23
Well not every genre can sound as elegant or descriptive as Krautrock or Canterbury Scene  ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 18 2019 at 06:27
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Whether it sounds good or not, it is a recognized sub-genre. The question is, will we recognize it as well. As far as who would handle it, i imagine it would just be tacked onto the RIO team who would have another category to consider. Personally i think it's a useful desciptive sub that distinguishes say chamber rock like Univers Zero from chaotic freakery from the bands mentioned. I think the RIO / Avant is overly large and cumbersome much like metal would be if it were one lump sum of artists. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: June 18 2019 at 07:09
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Avant already has a RIO and Zeuhl breakout, I'd just make it another sub-genre under Avant, personally I'd do Chamber Rock too but then I'm fine with sub-genres. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: June 18 2019 at 07:31
^ We should just join all these sub-genres and call it Panhead Prog 
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 18 2019 at 08:20
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^ or better yet.... heavy panhead prog, chamber panhead prog, the Kobaian Scene and Zappa ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: June 18 2019 at 09:05
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I remember similar discussion when the New prog phenomena was stsrting to get popular in the 2007s but i the total oppesite spectrum of sound and influence. -------------  
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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: June 18 2019 at 09:30
Yeah, lots of silly sounding genre names. Come to think of it, maybe hitting myself with a blunt instrument while attempting to listen to Trout Mask Replica again will allow me to finally understand it.
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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: June 18 2019 at 13:14
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Guys, there are enough subgenres, IMHO. Any new subgenre may restrict the number of potential listeners. For example, theoretically I can see myself reading a review of some RIO/Avant album. But if the album belongs to Brutal Prog more likely that I'll simply ignore the review. Why, the hell, it's necessary to put each animal (i.e. band or artist) into its small cage? Leave them some space to walk.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 18 2019 at 13:52
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Looking at the Brutal Prog subgenre chart at rateyourmusic, https://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=alltime&genre_include=1&include_child_genres=1&genres=brutal+prog&include_child_genres_chk=1&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=none&countries=" rel="nofollow - CLICK , I see I have plenty of that in my collection, but I would not have thought of Koenjihyakkei, Guapo, Bondage Fruit, Happy Family, Ruins, Jean Louis and others as Brutal Prog (Zeuhl/ Avant Prog does it well enough for me for those in my collection). Off on tangents: I do want more subgenres, and as Chamber Prog was mentioned, that's one I've wanted for over a decade here, but as a sub or as a sub-sub category), but I would much rather have subgenres as tags that one could assign to albums (artists and albums cross genres). Having multiple classification tags that can be assigned on the album level would be useful for research and discovery to me. When searching for albums, I do find rateyourmusic a more valuable resource than PA (also helps that it isn't so musically limited). Anyway, I don't ever expect such changes now, although keeping bands in a limited number of subgenres while offering the ability for users to tag albums with different styles I still think might be a good approach. I wish I could easily see the complete list of sub-genres at rateyourmsic, but they have a tonne, and there are a huge many more than we have that could work for bands in the PA purview. Instead of one small cage, I'd rather an animal in various cages -- I mean that sounds like I support dismemberment, but I mean that ideally there would be more descriptors, and it would be easy to search for albums that cross various styles. For instance, if I want to find a Psychedelic Folk meets Electronic music album in PA, it's not easy to find (as it works now, I wish Prog folk had some sub categories). RYM's search engine could be improved too as the custom filters don't seem to work that well for me when I want to include multiple sub-genres, but at least it's much easier to find progressive Psychedelic folk albums there than here. If we want a better site, then perhaps we should pool our skills and resources to make our own.
I still get Captchas, and they are still irritating, and the providers of that are the ones who have worked out some of the bugs. That said, M@x had played with the settings for it for this site. Actually, I don't get hit with it when I use Opera, but on Safari and Chrome I get hit with it a lot (don't know why I still use Chrome at all). ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: June 19 2019 at 19:50
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Re Logan's request for more folk sub-genres: BRUTAL FOLK: EXTREME FOLK: AVANT FOLK: ------------- Help the victims of the russian invasion: http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 19 2019 at 20:18
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^ I just listened to The Shaggs a few days ago. That is TRULY brutal folk. I actually like it though! It's unlike anything anyone could possibly think up. I'm not sure if that was all done on purpose or they were just so bad that it flipped its polarity into cosmically weirdly good! ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: June 19 2019 at 20:28
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Its hard to understand the Shaggs phenomena today because recording is so cheap and easy today that any Shaggs type band can put out a recording, and many of them do, but things were far different back then. Back then recording an album was very expensive and the only people who could do it were people who were talented or popular enough to get an advance from the record company, or you were someone who they thought would become popular. The Shaggs were that rare group where their Dad just plain shelled out all the cash it took to record them and put out the album. There was also a fairly tuneless jazz singer named Sarita in SF who had a rich husband who put out her album, and there is also a famously bad opera singer who also had a rich husband, but i can't remember her name. Back then people like that really stood out, but today recording is so cheap and easy that all kinds of non-talents are putting out recordings. ------------- Help the victims of the russian invasion: http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
Posted By: patrickq
Date Posted: June 19 2019 at 20:49
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 19 2019 at 21:10
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Well if they were really bad, how can anyone be THAT bad? There must've been a little tongue and cheek silliness to the whole thing. Maybe they just realized that they couldn't be the Supremes or whatever so they just did whatever they wanted. I wish my parents bought me a recording studio! LOL ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: June 19 2019 at 21:43
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Well they are creative and certainly seem to be having fun. Apparently dad had a dream that his daughters would be rock stars so he rushed them to the studio before they had a chance to learn how to play or tune their instruments, so they just did the best they could. You can hear the 'guitarist' strumming the guitar in different places to make up for not knowing any chords, and the drummer has some sort of arrangement going, just not what was normally expected of a drummer. ------------- Help the victims of the russian invasion: http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 19 2019 at 21:48
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^ maybe they invented avant-prog! We should add them to the prog folk section. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 19 2019 at 22:04
I genuinely love The Shagg's Philososophy of the World, it's my favourite bad album (well, that and an L. Ron Hubbard of Scientology one) and I have listened to it many times over the years, and Tiny Tim. And the German folk song is fun. One of these I'd like to see Heino included in PA in a Schlager-Metal category. Makes one feel so patriotic for the Homeland (well, it might if I were German). Then there's Pat Boone for Prog Metal:  And the awesome Christopher Lee:   ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 19 2019 at 22:06
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LOL. I'm just now reading that the Shaggs were influential for Zappa. Now that deserves a prog related ticket to PA!!!! I'm mesmerized by this album. It literally is like a mirage in the desert. Is it horrible or is it utterly brilliant and decades ahead of its time. I don't know but like my urge to pick scabs before they heal, i can't stop listening once i put this on. EVERYONE should check out The Shaggs! ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: June 19 2019 at 22:16
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Re Heino: When I was young the local K Mart had plenty of Heino records in the budget section, along with occasional records by Blue Cheer, Sun Ra and John Cage. I got Cage's "Variations IV" for a penny. ------------- Help the victims of the russian invasion: http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: June 19 2019 at 22:39
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 20 2019 at 09:52
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Brutal prog is Van der Graaf's double live album "Vital". -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: patrickq
Date Posted: June 20 2019 at 10:09
| Some King Crimson is pretty brutal. Same with parts of Electronic Meditation (Tangerine Dream)... |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 20 2019 at 11:05
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 20 2019 at 11:23
He didn't say it isn't an existing term, in case that's unclear to anyone. I would call Avant Folk, Brutal Folk, and Extreme Folk terms even if he coined them. That said, as used terms, all three existed. Kazuki Tomokawa for instance has had music described as Avant Folk, Psychedelic Folk, Contemporary Folk, and Brutal Folk. There are various acts labelled Extreme Folk. https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fi&u=https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_folk&prev=search" rel="nofollow - CLICK There is an extreme folk festival: https://www.xfsmusic.org/#!about_us/c14e3" rel="nofollow - https://www.xfsmusic.org/#!about_us/c14e3 Alamaailman Vasarat (which is in PA's Avant category) is considered by some to be an Extreme Folk band I would say that all of these terms could be incorporated into Prog subgenres, or subsubgenres (especially if having multiple classification tagging) for music For instance under Prog Folk we could have: Avant Folk Acid Folk Chamber Folk Brutal Folk Extreme Folk Pirate Folk Queer as Folk Polka Dance Party Booty Folk It would be implied that, say Avant Folk at PA, refers to Avant Prog Folk (that which we put under the Prog tent), but for clarity once could add Prog to the end of each of those. Well, of course we could have anything if we and M@X were willing, but whether we'd want to is as another matter. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: June 20 2019 at 13:43
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^ Funk Folk Free Folk 12 tone Folk Serial Folk Cereal Folk Modal Folk Vegan Folk "Your Folks and My Folks" ------------- Help the victims of the russian invasion: http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: June 20 2019 at 14:35
folk metal. yep, this really exists; an example for this are Skyclad -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 20 2019 at 18:07
You missed one of the actual tags - Freak Folk. Anything beyond mondo bizarro, thus Comus, Exuma, etc ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 23 2019 at 13:32
I wasn't intending to be comprehensive, but yes, I love Freak Folk (I know you know this topic because you posted in it, but I'm always hoping for more recs): http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=112591" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=112591 ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: June 24 2019 at 14:10
Also, re: Freak Folk: that term as applied to Comus and Exuma, etc. is imo anachronistic. It originally meant to refer to the New Weird America movement or avant-folk and psych folk made contemporaneously with that movement. As far as I'm concerned, Comus, while having some influence on said movement, isn't particularly similar to most of its artists. But obviously this is simply an argument about words. ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: June 24 2019 at 14:27
| Why stop there? I can think of other possible subgenres not on here such as jazz prog(not the same as jazz fusion or canterbury)but bands who have a jazz influence(think of something like Steely Dan but more prog sounding), soft prog(stuff that's mellow but not necessarily folky) and also art rock(or maybe even semi prog). I remember there being a category for prog related music called zolo(does anyone remember that?). It didn't really take off because the music fell into other categories and there maybe wasn't a very unifying common thread throughout all the bands other than they were a bit weird or off beat. |
Posted By: patrickq
Date Posted: June 24 2019 at 14:33
Could it be time for an “Other Prog” category? Or would this be an acknowledgement that PA’s subgenres aren’t watertight?
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: June 24 2019 at 17:20
Also, Soft Prog? I think the users of this site have enough erectile dysfunction, thank you. ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music
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Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: June 24 2019 at 17:51
| Maybe we should make it like a family tree, with roots that lead to a trunk ... proto-prog ... and then the main branches of prog in the late 60s and 70s branching off into subgenres. |
Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: June 24 2019 at 17:52
| Brutal prog could be like the drunk uncle with the twisted stories at Thanksgiving. |
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: July 14 2020 at 14:30
| What is the definition of panhead? Love the ideas here by the way. Especially the prog evolutionary tree. Learned about phylogenetics in college and would love to apply it to music for historical purposes. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: July 14 2020 at 14:53
The term "panhead" was originally not meant as a compliment, on the contrary . It is the creation of a forum member (names withheld) who meant it as as slur against people who like Avant/RIO bands - which he perceives as mere noise, just like someone wearing a pan over their head and hitting it repeatedly with a wooden spoon. As you can see, the devotees of said subgenre jumped all over the new tag - hence the avatars or signatures featuring pans worn over one's head. Anyway, I don't think any new subgenres will be showing up any time soon. We already have many, and some of them have attracted their share of controversy over the years.
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: July 14 2020 at 14:56
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the opposite of Soft Prog, also needed of course ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 14 2020 at 16:11
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oh dear God... How about soporific prog... now that is one the site really could use ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: July 14 2020 at 17:53
Oh, you mean Atmospheric Prog. Here are some that I've incorporated: Atmospheric Djent - Votum, Karnivool, Progma-C Pagan Folk - Faun Dark Folk - Tenhi Viking Folk - Ivar Bjørnson & Einar Selvik Prog Cabaret - Shen Teh, Knifeworld, Major Parkinson Theatric Prog - Seven Steps to the Green Door, Seven Reizh Chamber Prog - Cicada, Five-Storey Ensemble, iamthemorning Psychedelic Folk - The Amazing Retro Prog - The Psychedlic Ensemble Prog Homage - Citizen Cain, Clearlight Acoustic Prog - Aranis, Corde Oblique Anachronistic Prog - Vox Vulgaris, Faun, The Amazing Blondel, Jan Akkerman, Gryphon, Dead Can Dance Goth Prog - Fields of the Nephilim, The Cure, Ulver Afro-Prog - Mandrill, Parliament, Funkadelic, War, Cymande Latino Prog - Santana, Osibisa, Ocho, Harlem River Drive, Gato Barbieri Prog Funk - Unaka Prong, Brian Ellis, Starving Daughters, Arnaud Bukwald, Psychic Equalizer Cinematic Prog - Lebowski, Goblin, Psychic Equalizer, Nouveau Electronica - Low, Alto Plano, Sampha, James Blake, Fuzz Puddle, Fly Pan Am ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: July 14 2020 at 17:53
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^ AOP or Adult Oriented Prog for those who love Barry Manilow but want some more time signature workouts ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: July 14 2020 at 18:00
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No more subgenres and categories than necessary. |