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Drew 
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 Posted: September 22 2005 at 20:00 |
 Trouserpress wrote:
Drew wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
Joren wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
Someone PLEASE pull the plug on that f**king list before it makes this site a laughing stock.  |
Come on man, why do you care so much?
(BTW: from the albums that are in the list, I would place Lateralus even higher... that said: I would exclude more than half of the list if I would have to make my personal top 100)
But why bother? The list is a nice indication of the most popular albums here.
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Because that list neither acts as a good indicator of what prog is nor which albums would make good starting points for budding prog fans. It causes arguments and ratings wars, countless threads such as this one and serves no real function other than to show which albums have been rated the most. So blood what?  I don't think it adds to this site, but it certainly takes away.
Progtologist - this has got nothing to do with me "worshipping 70s bands" you should know I'm not guilty of that. I just feel this list serves no real purpose other than to upset people and cause arguments.
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I know TP.I usually have a pretty thick skin but every once in a while I get tired of people bashing a band I am very passionate about.I am pretty used to it and usually it rolls right off of me.I just knew even before I looked at the thread that there was gonna be quite a bit of Tool bashing.So,I apologize TP
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Who's bashing? its just a conversation about whether or not to have Tool on this site is all. No one said they sucked- or were crappy. They are talented.
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I have no problem with Tool being on this site, they're a prog band and no mistake. What concerns me is that this is yet another controversy sparked by that accursed list. WHY DO WE NEED IT?
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Trouser- Who's holding you hostage to this thread? You don't have to post!
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Drew
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 20:03 |
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OK- lets just say this- regarding the top 100- if you think they should be there- thats fine. If otherwise- fine. Its obvious that they are controversial to this site- and nothing can be resolved. Listen to what you dig- sorry to any Tool fans (if I offended you- im sorry.) Rock on.
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The Miracle
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 20:03 |
King of Loss wrote:
I don't like Tool, but don't care either. When has it ever been serious in the first place? BE beats all those albums on that list!  |
PE owns Be.
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Angeldust
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 20:06 |
The Miracle wrote:
PE owns Be.
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Couldn't agree more 
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King of Loss
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 20:06 |
The Miracle wrote:
King of Loss wrote:
I don't like Tool, but don't care either. When has it ever been serious in the first place? BE beats all those albums on that list! |
PE owns Be.
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pE? 
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The Miracle
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 20:07 |
King of Loss wrote:
The Miracle wrote:
King of Loss wrote:
I don't like Tool, but don't care either. When has it ever been serious in the first place? BE beats all those albums on that list! |
PE owns Be.
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pE?
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Perfect Element
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The Hemulen
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 20:07 |
King of Loss wrote:
The Miracle wrote:
King of Loss wrote:
I don't like Tool, but don't care either. When
has it ever been serious in the first place? BE beats all those albums
on that list! |
PE owns Be.
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pE? |
I'd hazard a guess at Perfect Element.
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Drew
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 20:07 |
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I second King- pe?
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King of Loss
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 20:07 |
Ahhh. The Perfect Element Part I. I call them TPEP1
That's a good album, except the instruments and the experimentation is MUCH MUCH MUCH BETTER on BE and its not just purely based on emotions..
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Drew
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 20:08 |
Oh-
well then-
i choose RL over those 2. haha 
RL!
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 20:09 |
Drew wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
Drew wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
Joren wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
Someone PLEASE pull the plug on that f**king list before it makes this site a laughing stock. |
Come on man, why do you care so much?
(BTW: from the albums that are in the list, I would place Lateralus even higher... that said: I would exclude more than half of the list if I would have to make my personal top 100)
But why bother? The list is a nice indication of the most popular albums here.
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Because that list neither acts as a good indicator of what prog is nor which albums would make good starting points for budding prog fans. It causes arguments and ratings wars, countless threads such as this one and serves no real function other than to show which albums have been rated the most. So blood what? I don't think it adds to this site, but it certainly takes away.
Progtologist - this has got nothing to do with me "worshipping 70s bands" you should know I'm not guilty of that. I just feel this list serves no real purpose other than to upset people and cause arguments.
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I know TP.I usually have a pretty thick skin but every once in a while I get tired of people bashing a band I am very passionate about.I am pretty used to it and usually it rolls right off of me.I just knew even before I looked at the thread that there was gonna be quite a bit of Tool bashing.So,I apologize TP
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Who's bashing? its just a conversation about whether or not to have Tool on this site is all. No one said they sucked- or were crappy. They are talented.
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I have no problem with Tool being on this site, they're a prog band and no mistake. What concerns me is that this is yet another controversy sparked by that accursed list. WHY DO WE NEED IT?
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Trouser- Who's holding you hostage to this thread? You don't have to post!
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I am....I doused all his Gentle Giant albums with lighter fluid and have a pack of matches in my hand....
Tp....say Tool is prog or GG gets it!!!!!!!!
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The Miracle
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 20:10 |
King of Loss wrote:
Ahhh. The Perfect Element Part I. I call them TPEP1
That's a good album, except the instruments and the experimentation is MUCH MUCH MUCH BETTER on BE and its not just purely based on emotions..
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On BE, Gildenlow forgot that music comes befre the concept
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The Hemulen
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 20:12 |
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Drew
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 20:14 |
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King of Loss
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 20:15 |
The Miracle wrote:
King of Loss wrote:
Ahhh. The Perfect Element Part I. I call them TPEP1
That's a good album, except the instruments and the experimentation is MUCH MUCH MUCH BETTER on BE and its not just purely based on emotions..
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On BE, Gildenlow forgot that music comes befre the concept
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He applied it perfectly! No other concept album is as complete as BE
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The Miracle
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 20:18 |
King of Loss wrote:
The Miracle wrote:
King of Loss wrote:
Ahhh. The Perfect Element Part I. I call them TPEP1
That's a good album, except the instruments and the experimentation is MUCH MUCH MUCH BETTER on BE and its not just purely based on emotions..
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On BE, Gildenlow forgot that music comes befre the concept
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He applied it perfectly! No other concept album is as complete as BE
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SFAM, The Lamb, etc
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Angeldust
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 20:18 |
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What about Operation Mindcrime .... ?Metropolis pt 2?
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The Miracle
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 20:21 |
Even Savatage's streets  So underrated
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King of Loss
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 20:22 |
Angeldust wrote:
What about Operation Mindcrime .... ?Metropolis pt 2? |
Not that complete compared to BE. BE is about 10000 X more intellectual than those, even those are some of my favorites.
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The Ryan
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 20:23 |
Something I do not understand is why "controversial" (Said to be prog by some, non-prog by others) bands are not tagged down as such, so you all can stop complaining about it. There are such bands/artists as Deep Purple, Steve Vai, and Tool on this site, and these three are among prog-heroes such as Emerson Lake and Palmer, Genesis, Yes, and Pink Floyd. Often people know what progressive rock is, but include their idols with the proglegends I mentioned. What makes Deep Purple, Steve Vai, and Tool prog? I don't know, you all tell me, perhaps if there's a warning on every review and page involving these three "controversial" artists/bands (And all other controversials) people would complain much less. The list of 100 bands/artists will never be reality for anyone, everyone will disagree with something involving the bands and albums on the list (I know I do). I want to know why Tool is, or isn't prog. Since everyone has their own tiny little opinion but can't give a full answer, Tool and others should be set aside somehow (A tag perhaps) - that is, if kept on this site.
Something new I found interesting and positive about this website is the "Sub-genre" "Proto-prog", this includes the Moody Blues, which many will never consider prog. Now that puts the Moody Blues out of the fire of debate, we (The Website) now go by The Moody Blues as pioneers, not as much a progressive rock group per se. Also, see "Prog Related", Steve Vai and Styx are here (Thank god), but perhaps this should be much larger then it is the moment I wrote this reply.
This is my personal opinion, don't cry about it. Progressive Rock is an astronomical grey area of subjective judgements.
Edited by The Ryan
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