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Okay, a new one for us to deliberate upon. Let's see the favourite track from each of the studio LPs, with a brief description of why. It will be interesting to see what comes out on top in each. Here are mine:

Script: Chelsea Monday, the most harrowing tale of a tragically wasted life, eloquently told.

Fugazi: Incubus. hilarious and the dream scenario for every dumped man on the planet.

Misplaced Childhood: Heart of Lothian, you can just feel the anger and bitterness oozing out of every lyric, with pounding music to accompany.

Clutching At Straws: Sugar Mice, proof positive that prog can be both commercial and great and relevant at the same time.

Seasons End: King of Sunset Town, because when this came pounding out of the speakers, you just knew that everything would be alright.

Holidays in Eden: Waiting to Happen, a great single from a rather average LP.

Brave: The Great Escape, this still remains the hair on the back of my neck rising seminal moment in prog music. By God, THAT Rothery solo.

Afraid of Sunlight:  Beautiful, simply because the opening Rothery piece is still so beautiful after all of these years.

This Strange Engine: Man of a Thousand Faces, can anybody think of a more dramatic combination of voices at the close of this?

Radiation: These Chains, the most haunting melancholy imaginable, although I have to say this underrated LP is perhaps the hardest for me to choose a favourite from.

Marillion.Com: Interior Lulu, simply because it is the outstanding track, and sounds just as great on the acoustic version recently released.

Anoraknophobia: Map of the World, the band at their most uplifting and commercial best. I love the story of this young lady and the incredible planet we live on.

Marbles: I'm tempted to say all of it, but go for Neverland, still the finest piece of progressive rock I have had the pleasure to listen to in over 32 years of listening to the genre. THOSE lyrics, and THOSE Rothery solos. As near to perfection as we will ever get to in this life.

Somewhere Else: Faith, a superb end to one of my least favourite band LPs, this is simply so sensitive and touching.

Happiness is the Road: Real Tears For Sale, a latter day classic which deserves to be in the canon of every prog fan. Also, of course, Eric loves itClapBig smile

Less is More: Out of this World, an outstanding track from an excellent album and a very difficult choice to have to make. What tips it for me is the almost perfect rendition of this old favourite biography of a great man, delivered with utter respect and love.


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Script: Forgotten Sons - A great song, especially in the bass zone. Ridiculously catchy synth riffs, heart-wrenching vocals and solid playing all round. Great closer to the album.

Fugazi: Fugazi - In the same spirit of political protest as forgotten sons. Another great closer, and I think this may be the band's best song with Fish still at the helm.

Misplaced Childhood: Childhood's End - One of the songs I first really loved by Marillion, and the one which convinced me to pick up Misplaced childhood as the first album.

Clutching At Straws: The Last Straw / Happy Ending - A great closer to the album, which for me really did round up the band's problems at the time. Fantastic vocal outro duel between Fish and the guest female vocalist, and a great guitar solo too.

Season's End: Easter - Marillion's perfect song for me, and also the first song I ever heard by the band. Some of the best lyrics and best vocals the band has ever had for me, and also one of my top 5 guitar solos.

Holidays In Eden - Still waiting to get this one.

Brave: Living With The Big Lie - This track opened up the album for me in a truly powerful emotion. An awesome track which brings Brave to life for me. Very honorable mention for Made Again too.

Afraid Of Sunlight: Gazpacho - Shortish track, although still beautiful with fantastic lyrics. Incredibly catchy and incredibly solid.

This Strange Engine: This Strange Engine - Perhaps Marillion's best track. I love the stages in this epic, and the way in which it blends them perfectly. Truly heartbreaking vocals, and the story of the tragic death of h's father make this track all the more emotional.

Radiation: These Chains - Great track with a more electric sounding sound than I expected initially. Super catchy chorus, solid track from a lower tier Marillion disc altogether.

Marillion.Com - Still need to get this one, although I do absolutely love Interior Lulu.

Anoraknophobia: If My Heat Were A Ball It Would Roll Uphill - Just a beautiful track and a great closer which reinvigorated my love for h-era Marillion.

Marbles: Neverland - Perhaps the most truly and outwardly emotive song I've ever heard. The lyrics are truly fantastic, and the vocal rhythms over the top of the solos later on are just perfection.

Somewhere Else: Somewhere Else - Marillion's best post-Marbles track for me. Really beautiful, and the outro is absolutely fantastic.

HITR: Real Tears For Sale - Rother's best solo in a few years, and some absolutely awesome vocal sections. The lyrics are fantastic as well, and it really has that Classic Marillion feel to it.

Less Is More: Interior Lulu - Its fantastic to hear the stripped down version of this once electrically dominated masterpiece. Wonderful playing all around, and some fantastic vocals which live up to the original.



Thats my take on it. Some honorable mentions for Scripts self-titled, Assassing, The Great Escape and The Invisible Man.
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Also, Steve Hogarth has been added to the admissions list for Crossover Prog


(See http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=60942)
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Okay, first I'd like to say this really is a tough one and sometimes I will have to just pick a song, because I can't choose.
 
[Market Square Heroes EP: Grendel - Good vocal sections and very well accompanied by the music in the "Grendel's Journey" part of the song and the "Lurker at the Threshold" part is cery catchy.]
 
Script for a Jester's Tear: Script for a Jester's Tear - An extraordinary start of the bands discography with the intro to this song! Also the middle section has some very nice keyboards.
 
Fugazi: Cinderella Search - No one could have discribed the situation of the heart-broken "wide boy" at the bar better than Fish... "The footman memorised the number, but the prince still holds both the slippers, and would you leave a palace for a bedsit and Canterbury Tales?", this is absolute perfection.
 
Misplaced Childhood: What is there to choose with this one, seeing as the Misplaced Childhood is one song! (Pete's bass on Lavender is too die for, though...)
 
Clutching at Straws: The Last Straw - Happy Ending - a tough closer to the album to replace!
 
Season's End: Berlin - I've recently got into this song and what I love about it is that it describes a whole city at both sides of The Wall instead of just focus in on a dramatic love story which was staged at Berlin.
 
Holidays in Eden: The Party - "Welcome to your first...party..."
 
Brave: Goodbye to All That - One of the gentliest epics I have ever come across, you actually see the protagonist crumble down before you and go through the different stages of madness.
 
Afraid of Sunlight: Gazpacho - nice mellow key-bass intro with the sudden earthly guitar which get's you right back to reality; a nice switch.
 
This Strange Engine: This Strange Engine - What more is there to be said after Joel's words?
 
Radiation: A Few Words for the Dead - Very emotional song with gentleness at its peak.
 
marillion.com: Interior Lulu - Great epic with a stunning synth solo and again lyrics from the top shelf.
 
Anoraknophobia: When I meet God - So nice a touch of h to refer to God as a "she" instead of a "him".
 
Marbles: Marbles III - Bone Chilling keys at the beginning and what I so love about this one is that although it's only 1:51 long, it still has multiple parts to it and absolute music changes! xD
 
Somewhere Else: Very emotional and the hard part of the song is a very nice statement "Dead yet alive" which ends beautifully with the words "Enough is enough" and then has a nice change to gentleness again, "Give me a smile, hold out your hand".
 
Happiness Is the Road: Dreamy Street - Good combination of melancholy and mellowness.
 
Less Is More [A véry cheesy title!Tongue]: This Is the 21st Century, again such gentleness (I sure use that word a lot) and still the very earthly touch of the lyrics;  a scientific piece of art!
 
Nice I dea to start this, Lazland.
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^Very interesting choice of Marbles III for best track from Marbles, although I agree it is a fantastic little track, and so are all the other Marbles tracks. They really perfect the album.
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Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

Also, Steve Hogarth has been added to the admissions list for Crossover Prog


(See http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=60942)


Fantastic result for The Round TableClapClapClapClap

First review of Ice Cream Genius now done. I will return to the album tracks later - I have to cook some lunch for my son nowBig smile
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Great job Lazland I still need to get Ice Cream Genius. I do have his DVD (Live In The Chapel) coming in the mail though.

John Wesley (A fan of Marillion since the Marquis days, also opened for them on the Clutching At Straws Tour and at Marillion Weekend 2009) Has also been added. Another victory for the round table!
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It is a tough one, isn't it? This just goes to show what a great band we are talking about, and how hard it is to pick out outstanding tracks in many of the LPs.

Firstly, apologies - I missed out the Market Square Heroes EP, unforgiveable given that it was also the first thing I purchased of the bandsEmbarrassed Anyway, Grendel is deservedly a favourite, although I would be interested in knowing when Fish played it last live - certainly, I haven't seen it played for years.

Great that we have three different choices from Script in three posts. This goes to show how strong a debut LP it was. I agree with both the comments.

Cinderella Search was not on the original album (I tend not to buy reissues & etc.), but I do have that on the Reel to Real live album, and it is a great piece of work. Marillion always did put out great B-sides on single releases. Joel makes a great point re Fugazi - you can almost touch the bile in these lyrics. A great track.

I don't regard Misplaced Childhood as one song, more like a great concept album. As regards Lavender, I agree about the great bass line, although I have to say I preferred the single release to the LP track, if only because of Rothery's seminal guitar solo at the end, missing from the album version. Childhood's End is a great way to close a great album.

You both agree about The Last Straw, and Joel's comment about this reflecting the state of the band at the time is absolutely spot on.

I love Easter, and I only chose King of Sunset Time over this by a very short straw (LOL). It is a grweat track, and I still think of this song every time news of trouble in Ireland is on. The acoustic version is blinding as well. Basileia's comments about Berlin are also spot on - I just played it now, and you are absolutely right in what you say.

The Party is a good choice from HIE. Joel, it is not an essential Marillion LP IMHO (see previous posts), but, of course, it is to get the complete collectionWink

Brave, of course, is nigh on impossible to choose from. We have three different choices thus far. We will agree on one thing - quite easily a five star LP from a five star band with not one weak track there. Both tracks you mention have all the emotions that characterise that work - it really is an emotional rollercoaster, and I defy anyone who mocks prog fans for being nerds to listen to this. We are emotional feeling and caring peopleAngry

We will agree to disagree with Gazpacho. I like it, don't get me wrong, but I don't feel that it absolutely characterises this LP.

Yes, Joel said it all with regard to This Strange Engine. A monumental piece of music from a great LP. I think that I will change my mind and make this three out of threeThumbs Up

Believe me, I thought long and hard about Radiation, and A Few Words for the Dead came a very close second to These Chains, although Cathedral Walls could still be these. This really is a fantastic LP.

We agree about Interior Lulu. Again, Joel, this is, IMO, a lesser Marillion LP, but still with some good high points, and the tracks from here on Less is More have made me see it in a better light again.

From Anoracknophobia you have both made exceptional choices, ones which I agree with all you have said.

I love your points re the Marbles tracks - they really do bind a great album together. However, I stand by my point re Neverland - Joel just puts it far better than I ever could.

I'll give Somewhere Else another listen during the week. In the interim, I will bow to your better judgements here I think. As a statement of the loneliness of separation and the emotions contained therein, it really is right up there with the best.

Real Tears for Sale leads by 2 to 1 so far - Eric will be pleasedBig smile

I like your use of the word gentleness Basileia - it describes the track perfectly. Joel hits the nail on the head with Interior Lulu, the huge and very welcome surprise from that LP.

Let's see some more contributions from visitors to this threadTongue
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I haven't been following the the whole thread but does anyone know where the idea for Margaret came from ? It's on the B side of a Garden Party EP I have and also appears on B' Sides Themselves. All I know is that it comes from the traditional 18th century Scottish folk song. Obviously Fish's idea of introducing the band but that's all I know. 


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Script for a Jester's Tear- Script for a Jester's Tear
Fugazi - Jigsaw
Misplaced Childhood- Childhood's End?
Clutching at Straws- The Last Straw/Happy Ending
Season's End - Easter
Holidays in Eden - The Party
Brave - either Brave or The Great Escape (it's a very hard choice among all the songs actually)
Afraid of Sunlight - King
This Strange Engine - This Strange Engine
Radiation - A Few Words for the Dead (incredbily easy; what a mediocre LP)
marillion.com - Interior Lulu (House perhaps)
Anoraknophobia - This is the 21st Century
Marbles - Neverland
Somewhere Else - Somewhere Else
Happiness is the Road - Liquidity (so rediculously beautiful)
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Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I haven't been following the the whole thread but does anyone know where the idea for Margaret came from ? It's on the B side of a Garden Party EP I have and also appears on B' Sides Themselves. All I know is that it comes from the traditional 18th century Scottish folk song. Obviously Fish's idea of introducing the band but that's all I know. 


 
What a great track. "You take the high road and I'll take the low road and I'll get to Scotland before you!"
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Yikes, I haven't cared about Marillion in a long time.
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That's cause you've been listening to 2009 garbage too much. Led Bib, Cheer-Accident, Magma!?! Wink
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And also Less Is More. Humble try, but far from touching.
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stonebeard, would you be so kind to explain why you chose these songs?
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I am sorry: I forgot to name the song on Somewhere Else I like the most: I meant A Voice from the Past(see the lyrics).
 
Entschuldigung, guys^^


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Originally posted by Basíleia Basíleia wrote:

stonebeard, would you be so kind to explain why you chose these songs?
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Uh, that would take awhile...
 
Suffice to say they're all excellent.
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Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I haven't been following the the whole thread but does anyone know where the idea for Margaret came from ? It's on the B side of a Garden Party EP I have and also appears on B' Sides Themselves. All I know is that it comes from the traditional 18th century Scottish folk song. Obviously Fish's idea of introducing the band but that's all I know. 


Its a re-written version of Loch Lomond.
http://marillion.baldyslaphead.co.uk/albums/Script/margaret.htm
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Thanks to Joel for answering Vibrationbaby's query.

Thanks to Stonebeard for your list - sorry, I do disagree with you regarding Radiation, this is an excellent album, not mediocre in any sense.

To Ricochet, I can see where you are coming from as regards Less = More, but I think that caring about the band's music passionately makes you appreciate more the exceptional arrangements made on this LP.

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Script for a Jester's Tear - Chelsea Monday / just the total feeling of this song is outstanding
Fugazi - Incubus  / great balance between softer parts and the sublime ending with the great solo
Misplaced Childhood- Blind Curve / heartbreaking vocals from Fish at the start and the stunning Perimeter Walk section
Clutching at Straws- Hotel Hobbies / it starts slowly but you already know they are bound to explode !! You might think this is a metal band gone prog Wink
 
Seasons End - Seasons End / hearing H for the first time on this album convinced me immediately the rest of the band had chosen wisely!! Stunningly beautiful singing
Holidays in Eden - Splintering Heart  / great build up of the song; top vocals and lyrics. And I do think this album is essential material Clap ( because of Splintering Heart, The Party, Waiting To Happen, This Town trilogy  )
 
Brave - The Great Escape / the lyrics, the solos, the aching in H voice when he sings : 
So tell me more about the love that you rejected. Tell me more about the trust you disrespected.
I still don't know .. why did you hurt the very one
 why did you hurt the very one that you should have protected?
 
Afraid of Sunlight - Out Of This World / this song simply paints a sad but beautiful picture. One of the most beautiful songs to hear live.
This Strange Engine - This Strange Engine / all that is already said before
Radiation - A Few Words for the Dead / I love the first part of the song way better( up till it carries on )  than the last part; very different but still great
Marillion.com - Rich / don't really like this album as a whole but this sounds best to me
Anoraknophobia - This is the 21st Century / the build-up of this song again is supurbe as is H singing; he is still the man after all these years !!
Marbles - The Invisible Man / the music sets the tone for a journey full of pain as you feel the pain coming out of H's singing.
Somewhere Else - A Voice From The Past / an important message that we are not taken care enough of the human kind
Happiness is the Road -  Real Tears For Sale / because H sounds best and it has more power than most of the other songs.
Less Is More - Out Of This World / this shows that also the lyrics of this song are among their best
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