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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2007 at 19:22
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Wait, it's not over yet!


Inquiry casts doubt on F1 title
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Kimi Raikkonen's world title has been thrown into doubt following an inquiry into the cars of BMW Sauber and Williams at the Brazilian Grand Prix.

Race stewards are investigating alleged irregularites with the cars' fuel.

Williams's Nico Rosberg was fourth in the race, followed by BMW Sauber's Robert Kubica and Nick Heidfeld.

If they were disqualified, McLaren driver Lewis Hamilton would be promoted to fourth, giving him enough points to displace Raikkonen as world champion.
 
Uh... if it happens it'll be unfair also with Massa who was the fastest guy in the race and had the best car but opened for his team mate winning. Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2007 at 19:34
Morally the title is Hamilton's. He's had his season derailed by his arrogant and unsporting co-driver Alonso. Alonso has behaved despicably to his young team mate. I hope he doesnt get a drive next season, he's certainly out of McClaren. Imagine blackmailing your own team like he did - if you wrote the story in a novel people would say it was unrealistic,yet it happened.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2007 at 19:42
Reading the Braz newspapers now... race officials saw nothing with BMW and Williams fuel and so Kimi may celebrate his title.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2007 at 20:01
Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

Reading the Braz newspapers now... race officials saw nothing with BMW and Williams fuel and so Kimi may celebrate his title.


Our man on the spot is right.

Raikkonen has been confirmed as champion.Ouch
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2007 at 21:41
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Morally the title is Hamilton's. He's had his season derailed by his arrogant and unsporting co-driver Alonso. Alonso has behaved despicably to his young team mate. I hope he doesnt get a drive next season, he's certainly out of McClaren. Imagine blackmailing your own team like he did - if you wrote the story in a novel people would say it was unrealistic,yet it happened.
 


British fanboy WinkLOL
But I do agree....there's NO way to twist it Hamilton was the best driver this year. He deserved the title.
However, it's obvious how I like Finnish drivers so personally I am very happy with the championship. Again congrats to Kimi (maybe this title is not quite the way it should've gone down, but I think he already should've been champ) sooo it's even now.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2007 at 03:35
Its still not over. McLaren are to appeal the stewards decision not to punish Williams and BMW over fuel irregularities in an attempt to get the three cars ahead of Hamilton thrown out.

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=41157

This is getting a bit silly, as much as I'd like to see Hamilton win the title, the season finished yesterday, I dont want it to finish in a court room
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2007 at 05:52
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Its still not over. McLaren are to appeal the stewards decision not to punish Williams and BMW over fuel irregularities in an attempt to get the three cars ahead of Hamilton thrown out.

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=41157

This is getting a bit silly, as much as I'd like to see Hamilton win the title, the season finished yesterday, I dont want it to finish in a court room

I agree. I didn't want the title to be won this way (it's clear that Massa could've won the race had he wanted to) but taking the situation to a courtroom is not the way to win a championship. Ermm

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2007 at 09:14
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Morally the title is Hamilton's. He's had his season derailed by his arrogant and unsporting co-driver Alonso. Alonso has behaved despicably to his young team mate. I hope he doesnt get a drive next season, he's certainly out of McClaren. Imagine blackmailing your own team like he did - if you wrote the story in a novel people would say it was unrealistic,yet it happened.
 
 
You mean Ferrari finally got a lucky revenge (it was a bit unexpected) but Raikkonen did win 6 races, compared to Hamilton's four and Alonso's four). Afte all the FIAA was making rules to stop Ferrari winning in their Schumacher days.  Hamilton will most likely not confirm (as had Monoya a few years go)
 
As for Alonso, McLaren was disgracious (almost as much as Malcolm wasTongue)  into favoring homeboy Hamilton instead of the Champion.  And their industrial spying was not helping out their case.
 
 
The sad part is that they released Alonso three days after resigning Massa and Raikkonnen, and now Alonso doesn't have a competitive seat. They would've done it on purpose, they wouldn't have done it differently.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2007 at 12:33
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Morally the title is Hamilton's. He's had his season derailed by his arrogant and unsporting co-driver Alonso. Alonso has behaved despicably to his young team mate. I hope he doesnt get a drive next season, he's certainly out of McClaren. Imagine blackmailing your own team like he did - if you wrote the story in a novel people would say it was unrealistic,yet it happened.
 
 
You mean Ferrari finally got a lucky revenge (it was a bit unexpected) but Raikkonen did win 6 races, compared to Hamilton's four and Alonso's four). Afte all the FIAA was making rules to stop Ferrari winning in their Schumacher days.  Hamilton will most likely not confirm (as had Monoya a few years go)
 
As for Alonso, McLaren was disgracious (almost as much as Malcolm wasTongue)  into favoring homeboy Hamilton instead of the Champion.  And their industrial spying was not helping out their case.
 
 
The sad part is that they released Alonso three days after resigning Massa and Raikkonnen, and now Alonso doesn't have a competitive seat. They would've done it on purpose, they wouldn't have done it differently.

Hamilton has effectively been their for 10 years, Alonso was the new boy in the team, and both drivers got equale treatment in regards to race equipment and chances to use it. However, it was no secret that by the end McLaren would definitely have prefered Hamilton winning the title instead of Alonso, after all, I dont remember Hamilton trying to blackmail the team into giving him preferential treatment or spouting off about percieved injustices to the home press.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2007 at 14:12
Yes, I really hope ot dosn't end in courts. Would you really want your boy Hamilton to win it that way?
And Sleeper brigns up an interesting point...never looked at it that way (Alonso being the newcomer). Besides Hamilton STILL performed better I think.
 
 
And I'm still glad Kimi FINALLY got that title. Thumbs%20Up I hope Ermm
I still honestly think Raikkonen is the best DRIVER. When it comes to straight up skill I don't think you can beat him. Just needs to get some consistency....


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2007 at 15:59
Kimi was the best driver and thoroughly deserved the title. He's always been an incredible talent and truly showed what it means to never give up. Also a nice guy with a good amount of humour in him as well, this is just great and (almost) the whole country is celebrating along with him.

Hamilton needn't feel too bad about it; he has so many years ahead of him and surely he'll win the championship in the near future.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2007 at 16:36
Although it would ahve been nice for Hamilton to win in his Rookie season he has plenty more years ahead of him and I'm sure that he will win sometime soon.  Raikkonen deserved to win this year and I don't think that Massa let him through either.  Raikkonen was right behind him when Massa pitted and put in some quick laps so that he was ahead after both had pitted.
 
As regards the fuelling issue I don't think that it would be fair on anyone or do the sport any good if Hamilton was to get the title that way.  McLaren lost Hamilton the title with that poor tyre decision in China.  If he had completed that race in a points paying position he would have been world champion fair and square.  Also if his car hadn't had mechanical problems this weekend he would have probably have been third or fourth and also won the championship.
 
As for Alonso I certainly don't think that he deserves anything after his behavior.  He was heavily involved in the Ferarri spying scandal and probably cost McLaren the constructor's title.
 
Let's hope for an exciting and clean season next year.Thumbs%20Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2007 at 16:52
Originally posted by Logos Logos wrote:

Kimi was the best driver and thoroughly deserved the title. He's always been an incredible talent and truly showed what it means to never give up. Also a nice guy with a good amount of humour in him as well, this is just great and (almost) the whole country is celebrating along with him.

Hamilton needn't feel too bad about it; he has so many years ahead of him and surely he'll win the championship in the near future.
 
That's for sure.I remember a few years back when he was on McLaren he was LOADED up with fuel and still was qualifying 2nd and 3rd every time. IMO the only guy of them he could truly go head to head with MS.
 
Always been a Kimi fan, congrats man!
Looking foward to next year!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2007 at 18:08
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Yes, I really hope ot dosn't end in courts. Would you really want your boy Hamilton to win it that way?
And Sleeper brigns up an interesting point...never looked at it that way (Alonso being the newcomer). Besides Hamilton STILL performed better I think.
 
 
And I'm still glad Kimi FINALLY got that title. Thumbs%20Up I hope Ermm
I still honestly think Raikkonen is the best DRIVER. When it comes to straight up skill I don't think you can beat him. Just needs to get some consistency....

There are mechanics at McLaren that swear he is the fastest driver they have ever seen, and these are people that have worked with Lauda, Prost, Senna and Hakkinen.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2007 at 19:37
^ Damn, that's quite a claim....
Well I know it's all in retrospect and "what if" but I do think Kimi should've won the title in 2003, and possibly 2005.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2007 at 14:53
Max Mosley has just added another nail to his coffin, he has publicly admitted that in the opinion of the FIA Ferrari is the most important team in F1.

Quote Q: Is Ferrari more important for Formula One than other teams?
MM:
Yes, firstly, because it holds a historically important position, as the team has been involved in Formula One since 1950. The second point has something to do with existential orientation: imagine that there were only one British team and all other teams were Italian, that the commercial rights holder was Italian, as was the FIA President, the race director and his assistant and the sport’s commissioner. Wouldn’t it be understandable that this team would be very careful? I therefore use my neutrality with a huge amount of responsibility and stay in close contact with Ferrari to assure them that no British ‘mafia’ or cartel tries to take advantage of them. But should we find it necessary to impose our technical or sporting regulations, than Ferrari is treated like any other team. Should we find irregularities on a Ferrari - like the moveable floor after the Australian Grand Prix - it is removed and banned.


Full interview here.

In my opinion this proves just how unfit the FIA is to govern world motorsport. Mosley should stand down now and let someone who is truly impartial take over.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2007 at 15:05
He is a son of Sir Oswald Mosley, 6th Baronet of Ancoats, what do you expect? Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2007 at 15:20
I'd expect him to be nothing more than a complete slime ball who should be banned from holding any position of authority....Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2007 at 16:55
uh oh   are we getting into the politics of F1?
 
Which I know nothing about so...I shall be quiet now
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2007 at 17:57
Not the politics of F1, but politics of Great Britain.  Look up Oswald Mosley. Wink
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